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Yet they lack the ability to commit long enough to see goals to fruition. Meanwhile, ESTPs are ambitious, fast, take-what-they-want-when-they-want go getters.

Why the disconnect between these two? Why are ENTPs not known for their willful, obsessive commitment to their vision? Shouldn’t they be, since they are dominant, extraverted irrationals (ExxP)?

If you look at ExTJs, you will see a lot of similarities in temperament especially when it comes to work ethic. Same goes for the very consistent and unflappable IxTJs.

Are there any ENTPs out there who consider themselves driven and ambitious? Or is it true that you spend more time pwning fools at call of duty, watching porn and eating hot cheetos than with work?
 

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I'm both... it's just that what I want tends to shift with the data. ENxPs are probably the most chaotic types in that regard. But if I really want something, nothing will stop me from getting it.
By chaotic, do you mean that one day you might be obsessed with something, and the next day, *poof* nothing?

Do you need to be in this state to make progress towards your goals? Do you find it hard to be inspired when not in this state?
 

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I clicked on this thread, expecting a hilarious dirty joke.

Instead I found a different, yet just as fascinating topic about ENTPs. A pleasant surprise :D

But yes, once I make up my mind that I want something, I'm hell bent and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If I don't get it, I realize I didn't really want it that badly.
 

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By chaotic, do you mean that one day you might be obsessed with something, and the next day, *poof* nothing?
I mean that Ne-doms in general can't stand living in a situation where everything is the same. We can't follow one path; we need to play with the possibilities as they come. Therefore, what you see one day, hour, or even minute isn't a reliable predictor of what's going to be happening the next. The only thing you can predict in an Ne-dom (if you aren't an Ne-dom yourself) is change; we are pretty much agents of chaos.

Do you need to be in this state to make progress towards your goals? Do you find it hard to be inspired when not in this state?
I'm fine with seeing only one desirable outcome, but if I don't see a million ways of getting there, I'm not going to be happy.
 

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Fact is that we just have an ever-changing ranking system as to what's important to us. We'll go after anything that's important enough to us at that moment. We attack those tasks with furry ..... and then we decide something else just outranked it .... so it's on to that thing.

@Dark Romantic hit the nail on the head with the term "agents of chaos".

Just as a side question @CounterPoint ... have you ever actually seen a long term ENTP plan come to fruition? It'd prolly scare you if you knew every detail from start to finish. We don't usually do it very often ... but when we target a long term task we have a tendency to do "whatever it takes" to complete it as long as it holds our interest to the end (and I do mean WHATEVER it takes)
 

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I clicked on this thread, expecting a hilarious dirty joke.

Instead I found a different, yet just as fascinating topic about ENTPs. A pleasant surprise :D

But yes, once I make up my mind that I want something, I'm hell bent and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If I don't get it, I realize I didn't really want it that badly.
LOL I like that attitude, impossible to really fail then, right?
 

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but when we target a long term task we have a tendency to do "whatever it takes" to complete it as long as it holds our interest to the end (and I do mean WHATEVER it takes)
Yes, this. I would like to know more about this attitude. Can you elaborate here? For instance, what if the odds were low (assuming reward is high), you would still take that chance?

I'm fine with seeing only one desirable outcome, but if I don't see a million ways of getting there, I'm not going to be happy.
Ne doms have many goals, gotcha. Do you have a general vision of where you would like to be in the future, as fuzzy as it may be? For instance, "I want to be x", where x is some far off distance concept of success (like "rich").
 

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Yet they lack the ability to commit long enough to see goals to fruition. Meanwhile, ESTPs are ambitious, fast, take-what-they-want-when-they-want go getters.

Why the disconnect between these two? Why are ENTPs not known for their willful, obsessive commitment to their vision? Shouldn’t they be, since they are dominant, extraverted irrationals (ExxP)?

If you look at ExTJs, you will see a lot of similarities in temperament especially when it comes to work ethic. Same goes for the very consistent and unflappable IxTJs.

Are there any ENTPs out there who consider themselves driven and ambitious? Or is it true that you spend more time pwning fools at call of duty, watching porn and eating hot cheetos than with work?
I disagree with this completely. In fact, ENTP's are very future oriented people and many have numerous long-term goals. On the contrary, many ESTP live so much in the present that they neglect the future, live in the moment, get nothing accomplished, and do nothing with their life. But, then again many ESTP's do a lot with their lives as well. Success is more based on the individual not type.
 

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I disagree with this completely. In fact, ENTP's are very future oriented people and many have numerous long-term goals. On the contrary, many ESTP live so much in the present that they neglect the future, live in the moment, get nothing accomplished, and do nothing with their life. But, then again many ESTP's do a lot with their lives as well. Success is more based on the individual not type.
The question has more to do with the chase for success than being a success. Do you chase success?
 

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@CounterPoint ... Yes .... a resounding YES. I've beat so many odds in so many situations in my life. I'm alive for having beaten the odds MANY times over. Odds mean nothing to me, only possibilities. I'll make any sacrifice necessary. A profit and loss report doesn't even surface in the decision making process if I get my end result. And the greater the pressure the better I'll perform ... so bring it on ... pile on the shit ... make things worse. The more that happens the rarer my form will be and the greater I'll look when I come out the other side. Ne shows us the paths to take at such breakneck speeds that as long as we ride it along odds don't mean jack.
 
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The question has more to do with the chase for success than being a success. Do you chase success?
I'm going to school to become a PH. D psychologist. I will soon get my A.A. So yeah, I chase success. And speaking of success, I believe that you sir have successfully created a dumbass, poorly thought out thread.
 

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The question has more to do with the chase for success than being a success. Do you chase success?
Who's definition of success are you talking about? I'm sure we all chase our own personal definition of success, but unless someone else's (or societies) happens to line up with ares I don't think that most of us really define our success the same as a lot of other people.
 

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I'm going to school to become a PH. D psychologist. I will soon get my A.A. So yeah, I chase success. And speaking of success, I believe that you sir have successfully created a dumbass, poorly thought out thread.
Oh c'mon don't pull out the "schooling" card .... that takes all the fun outta the conflict :p
 

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@CounterPoint ... Yes .... a resounding YES. I've beat so many odds in so many situations in my life. I'm alive for having beaten the odds MANY times over. Odds mean nothing to me, only possibilities. I'll make any sacrifice necessary. A profit and loss report doesn't even surface in the decision making process if I get my end result. And the greater the pressure the better I'll perform ... so bring it on ... pile on the shit ... make things worse. The more that happens the rarer my form will be and the greater I'll look when I come out the other side. Ne shows us the paths to take at such breakneck speeds that as long as we ride it along odds don't mean jack.
Dope. I'd like to see more of THESE ENTPS :D


I'm going to school to become a PH. D psychologist. I will soon get my A.A. So yeah, I chase success. And speaking of success, I believe that you sir have successfully created a dumbass, poorly thought out thread.
Please elaborate on why you are so offended, then we can throw down. Otherwise, get off my nuts.
 

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@CounterPoint

After all, what have ENTP's done for society? Just look at this list of ENTP losers that have done absolutely nothing for the world....

-Benjamin Franklin
-Thomas Edison
-Alexander the Great
-Steve Jobs
-Walt Disney
-John Adams
-Teddy Roosevelt

Such losers, we ENTP types are.
 

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Why am I offended? Why because your thread is ignorant as fuck and basically saying that ESTP types are generally more successful than ENTP types. Almost every point on your thread is ignorant. What's there not to be offended about? And oh yeah, we will definitely throw down!
 

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Dude, chill the fuck out. I never said ENTPs are losers. Read it again.

I'm saying they are not known for their drive, when they SHOULD be. And that's what I'm doing here, trying to see if that side really exists. And it look at the responses, that side indeed exists. Having a bad day or something?
 

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Dope. I'd like to see more of THESE ENTPS :D
Actually most of us are like this to some extent or another. The thing is that you need to figure out what causes the pressure component, and what acts as the trigger. Without both of those things you won't see it from barely any of us (accept on rare occasions).
 
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Okay kids .... don't make me put you in separate corners. No need for such passion over irrelevant details. @The Great One you should be used to people having misconceptions of us by now. We can get a bit testy sometimes when we're letting emotions out @CounterPoint (because they are filthy little things).

...... Here .... take this $5 and go walk up to the malt shop and split a milkshake.
 
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