[Zeus]

I was wondering if any of you have noticed any notable difference between us and them. If so, what are they?

 

[1234luvluv]

well i've noticed that you can say everything in one or two words where the ESFP says nothing in a whole lot of words.

 

[natatatalia]

Both types have Se as a dominant function, which stands for living in and enjoying the moment. These two types are pretty much alike, though their Feeling and Thinking is exactly the opposite. The difference in action is that ESFPs act based on the way they are feeling at that moment and not based on logic, as they don't have the Ti function in them. ESTPs can also be very spontaneous and impulsive, of course, but there's always a Ti behind those actions. So if you would ask them why they did something, in most cases you'd get a logical reason, even if the reason is cause (s)he was bored and just wanted to have fun.
On the outside ESTPs can sometimes look exactly like ESFPs, especially when surrounded by ESFPs. Though they are much more rational and a little more introverted than ESFPs. If an ESTP goes to sit somewhere on his/her own it's not cause they're feeling down, but cause they need some time to observe and to think. If you see an ESFP differentiate themself from a group (which you wouldn't see often), it's cause they're really really hurt or something.

 

[elvis2010]

I was wondering if any of you have noticed any notable difference between us and them. If so, what are they?

I think along with the ENTP, the ESFP is probably the type most like us. They like to have fun and have the ability to make work fun. ISFJs for example have the ability to make fun work.

But the big difference is T versus F, and it is not just Fi versus Fe but Ti versus Te. What that means is the ESFP is going to put a lot more emphasis on group harmony and popular thought than an ESTP who is more concerned with being factually correct and knows that "group harmony" can be positive but also can be extremely destructive.

Because ESFPs are so accepting of others, they tend to see everyone as their friend even if the other people don't see it that way. With this and in a lot of other ways, ESTPs are more objective about who their friends are. And like a lot of feelers, the ESFP goes to the extremes with hatred with the few people that they don't like.

I noticed an ESFP nurse one time who was friendly to all her fellow nurses at first and then she would start picking up on their flaws. She married an ISTJ which was good because ISTJs probably cover up their own flaws better than any other type.

There was a thread a while back where INFPs bragged about being the best lovers of all and to me it was an extremely self-indulgent fantasy. If you are looking for fun and skill in the bedroom, it is hard to beat ESFPs. On the other hand, the ESFP isn't going to be terrible loyal and like us is going to be more motivated by reward than duty or loyalty. Doing something out of duty is even more foreign to the ESFP than to us.

At work, that means an ESTP is more likely to put his or her feelings to the side than an ESFP and buckle down and do what needs to be done even if they hate it. This isn't a good thing though. I have seen a lot of ESTPs devastated emotionally and tune out the world after the emotional damage of doing a job they hate.

The woman who wrote Eat, Pray, Love, Elizabeth Gilbert, is ESFP and is a classic example of what I am talking about. She marries a guy, takes a vow to be with him for life, and then flips out so much when it comes to having kids, she started having affairs (which wasn't covered in her book). Even though the book was a best seller, and I enjoyed it, if you go to the Amazon comment section, the author was personally skewered because of her life choices.

It kind of reminded me of a fellow ESTP Mark Cuban. People were so busy thumbing their nose at Cuban for being against the grain, few people seemed to notice that he won a championship. And for all his bitching about the referees, it was later found one of them (ha ha. only one?) was on the take.

The same was true of Elizabeth Gilbert. So many people were lining up to beat the shit out of her over her character flaws, few seemed to notice she wrote a good, insightful book that became a runaway best seller.

Things like this make us ESTPs and ESFPs ponder. Which is more important? Being productive or towing the company line? The Dallas Mavericks were the laughing stocks of the NBA before Cuban took over, and the previous owners, who put together terrible teams, got nowhere near the shit Cuban has.

It is because of ESFP productivity that I personally have learned to tolerate the negatives of ESFPs and ally myself with them. Unlike a lot of the other Fs, who think group harmony trumps performance, ESFPs can and do perform especially when the chips are down.

 

[Fizz]

well i've noticed that you can say everything in one or two words where the ESFP says nothing in a whole lot of words.

Y'all got some common ground.

 

[Fizz]

Both types have Se as a dominant function, which stands for living in and enjoying the moment. These two types are pretty much alike, though their Feeling and Thinking is exactly the opposite. The difference in action is that ESFPs act based on the way they are feeling at that moment and not based on logic, as they don't have the Ti function in them. ESTPs can also be very spontaneous and impulsive, of course, but there's always a Ti behind those actions. So if you would ask them why they did something, in most cases you'd get a logical reason, even if the reason is cause (s)he was bored and just wanted to have fun.
On the outside ESTPs can sometimes look exactly like ESFPs, especially when surrounded by ESFPs. Though they are much more rational and a little more introverted than ESFPs. If an ESTP goes to sit somewhere on his/her own it's not cause they're feeling down, but cause they need some time to observe and to think. If you see an ESFP differentiate themself from a group (which you wouldn't see often), it's cause they're really really hurt or something.

I was going to bring in the functions in my post but decided it was too much work. So I deleted it.

 

[MegaTuxRacer]

Ti/Fi and Te/Fe. Though I suspect that you're talking about stereotypes and descriptions, so make a Venn diagram from these two descriptions.

Portrait of an ESFP
Portrait of an ESTP

 

[Nessie]

I was wondering if any of you have noticed any notable difference between us and them. If so, what are they?

ESTP and ESFP differences
The main difference between ESTP and ESFP is that ESTPs are left brained extraverts and ESFPs are right brained extraverts.
Left brained extroverts: ESTP, ENTP, ENTJ, ESTJ Right brained extraverts: ESFP, ESFJ, ENFP, ENFJ
Left brained introverts: ISTP, ISTJ, INTP, INTJ Rignt brained introverts: ISFP, ISFJ, INFP, INFJ
Left brained and right brained , its a continuum, as well as extraversion and introversion. For example ESTPs are supposed to be moderately left brained. S, T and J are supposed to be left-brain functions, thats why ESTPs are moderately left brained. Same way you could count it for ESFPs: they are having S, but not T and J (the most right brained extraverts are casted ENFPs).
As for continuum: same thing is possible to say about extraversion, ambiversion, introversion. Its possible to be extraverted 59% as well as 90% and persons behavior comes out accordingly (despite percentage in various tests is moving, in persons with clear extraversion preference is general trend visible. IRL is not such art see if person with moderate or high E is extravert or introvert). More extraverted, agreedable, limbic or more temperamental persons often looks more F than is their real percentage.
Linear and language skills tend to be left-brain, spatial and and visual skills are more less right brain. But this dividing to right/left brain is from outside less visible on womens. Reason is, that womens have stronger interconnection between hemispheres: as a result for example womens are more capable to use logic in situations when they are under pressure of emotions and ends up much less affected than mens in case they suffer stroke etc. As you could guess, in this situation is guessing which ESxP type they are more tricky with womens.
Also, MBTI is measuring cognitive preference, not ability. Healthy people are using ALL EIGHT cognitive functions: expect that they are having just 4 at worst, or that 4 functions they dont have in MBTI type they use in unconscious or shadow mode (mainly in negative sense), is bogus. Percentage in MBTI for each functions doesnt correspond level of performance of individual. This way is very easy to mistype ESFP with test results 80% on logic for thinker type. In addition performance tests basically doesnt distinguish between using Ti or Te: for good result its necessary to use both functions (and btw: not just this 2). In direct contrary, MBTI doesnt recognize real results regarding cognitive performance.
This is not only thing which simply DOESNT MATCH. If individual is left brained or right brained is INBORN.
But psychologists are generally saying, that in childs is possible to say all 4 letters after 13 years of age.
System is supposed to be this: 0-2 years: not possible to guess MBTI personality. 2-6 years: childs are divided into 4 personalities in MBTI: EP, EJ, IP, IJ. Age 6-12: possible to say 3 MBTI letters: childs are casted as ESxP or ESP personalities.
To see sample of description of ESP personality is possible go to:
Portrait of an ESP Child
My conclussion from this mess is that MBTI specialists are trying too hard to find scientific evidence to support MBTI and dont see that version one „ESP until 13“ contradicts version two „left brained vs. Right brained“.
Trouble here is, that version 2 is rooted in hard facts, only dubious part is connect it strictly with MBTI. If individual is left or right brained is visible on behaviour, skills, left/right handed and even brain imagining.

 

[themartyparade]

she started having affairs (which wasn't covered in her book).

They were though.

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On topic, I have no idea. My ESFP friend is one of my closest friends and for the most time, we think alike and we do alike. The only notable differences is that she's more emotional and the decisions she makes regarding her love life/relationships seem alien to me.

 

[BlueG]

she's more emotional and the decisions she makes regarding her love life/relationships seem alien to me.

I second that. My sister is an ESFP. She was always concerned with what people thought of her to a fault, and she was just horrendous at times with her decisions about people. She can be very conflicting with her choices about people as well. She will talk to a friend/me and say every fault in the person (along with numerous examples of each fault) and say that the person just isn't her time and other things. Then the next week she'll say she's off to go hang out with the person. I will also bring up her own words to her about the person and she'll tell me to not be so hard on the person. It wouldn't be an issue if it didn't happen so frequently.

I imagine all ESFP's will have elements of this, just varying degrees.

 

[Trebek8]

Well, one of my best friends is an ESFP.

-I'm more cynnical, while he is more relaxed and "chill."
-He uses more emotion when telling stories
-We're both impulsive
-We're both generous, and loyal to people we know

I'd say the only real difference between ESTP's and ESFP's is that ESTP's are more logical and ESFP's are more emotion driven. They're both incredibly similar though.

 

[Zeus]

Well, one of my best friends is an ESFP.

-I'm more cynnical, while he is more relaxed and "chill."
-He uses more emotion when telling stories
-We're both impulsive
-We're both generous, and loyal to people we know

I'd say the only real difference between ESTP's and ESFP's is that ESTP's are more logical and ESFP's are more emotion driven. They're both incredibly similar though.

that sound sright, also i think ESTPs are faster with their wit.

 

[Carmine Ermine]

divided into 4 personalities in MBTI: EP, EJ, IP, IJ.

This is what I thought, as I have heard of someone who claims to have invented his own independent system of 4 temperaments which I think are these 4. He even had a personality test that in which I happened to get a half-and-half mixture of the types that correspond to IP and EP. I like to think of myself as ESTP but I've just changed it to XSTP instead as it's very hard even for me to tell which I am - I have some "defining" traits of both introverts and extraverts.

The above system made the distinction between "right brained" and "left brained" specifically the difference between P and J respectively and not F/T or N/S.

As for the difference between ESFPs and ESTPs, I think perhaps our temperamental (immature) way of getting "revenge" at offensive behaviour is quite different in some respects, although both can be pretty dramatic - ESFPs seem to be more likely to threaten the offensive person or try to say or do something intentionally emotionally traumatic, whereas ESTPs would be less likely to threaten but more likely to follow up with an "equal and opposite reaction".

 

[Zeus]

This is what I thought, as I have heard of someone who claims to have invented his own independent system of 4 temperaments which I think are these 4. He even had a personality test that in which I happened to get a half-and-half mixture of the types that correspond to IP and EP. I like to think of myself as ESTP but I've just changed it to XSTP instead as it's very hard even for me to tell which I am - I have some "defining" traits of both introverts and extraverts.

The above system made the distinction between "right brained" and "left brained" specifically the difference between P and J respectively and not F/T or N/S.

As for the difference between ESFPs and ESTPs, I think perhaps our temperamental (immature) way of getting "revenge" at offensive behaviour is quite different in some respects, although both can be pretty dramatic - ESFPs seem to be more likely to threaten the offensive person or try to say or do something intentionally emotionally traumatic, whereas ESTPs would be less likely to threaten but more likely to follow up with an "equal and opposite reaction".

I think it's been mentioned before, that if your ExTx your neither extrovert nor introvert.

 

[Nessie]

This is what I thought, as I have heard of someone who claims to have invented his own independent system of 4 temperaments which I think are these 4. He even had a personality test that in which I happened to get a half-and-half mixture of the types that correspond to IP and EP. I like to think of myself as ESTP but I've just changed it to XSTP instead as it's very hard even for me to tell which I am - I have some "defining" traits of both introverts and extraverts.

The above system made the distinction between "right brained" and "left brained" specifically the difference between P and J respectively and not F/T or N/S.

As for the difference between ESFPs and ESTPs, I think perhaps our temperamental (immature) way of getting "revenge" at offensive behaviour is quite different in some respects, although both can be pretty dramatic - ESFPs seem to be more likely to threaten the offensive person or try to say or do something intentionally emotionally traumatic, whereas ESTPs would be less likely to threaten but more likely to follow up with an "equal and opposite reaction".

@Carmine Ermine, my bet is that you come out ambiverted because you are gifted (people with strong talent and/or IQ over 130). We are online, so its much more difficult to guess than IRL and Im in chance make from myself delusional idiot the year (I wouldnt be first:laughing. But Ill risk it, because IRL Im able to identyfy potential sparing partner for discussion for myself very quickly.

People from gifted rank are often having features of introverts (for example strong need for authonomy) even in case they are extroverted as a hell. And lot of them arent so much extroverted, they could be really ambiverted also. As for gifted introverts: they are very interested about world around and explorative, which is considered extroverded feature. Same for left/right brained: could have features of both.
This could move MBTI scores. Also: take note, that MBTI tests are strongly unrealiable, people are often ending up as other type when retested. Ill rather make match Brain imaging plus BIG 5. But we are at ESTP and not Inquisitive beasts page.

As for T/F, my text schrinked when copied: If you paint it yourself in 4 fields, the connection between right brained, MBTI F, and left brained, MBTI T, would be visible.

As for N/S, its for very long discussion, I dont have time now, but Im going to return to the topic with BIG 5.

 

[Nessie]

I forgot to say: in some classifications EP, IP etc. is also used for adults, for example all ExxPs are grouped under label Explorers. I guess its better than SP, NT etc. because of clear trouble with S/N dichotomy.

 

[themartyparade]

Birtday party for ISTP friend. ESFP friend and her boyfriend are there. Towards the end of the night, said boyfriend wants to go home and ESFP is upset 'cause she wants to stay. I ask why she doesn't send her boyfriend home and stay with us. She gives some explanation (he doesn't live in this city, blalala) but says that he never would've done the same for her. If she'd been the one who wanted to go home and it was his friends party, he would've stayed without her. I ask why she'd do something for someone who wouldn't do the same for her. Got no reasonable answer, of course.

I would've told my boyfriend that he knows his way to my house. He could go and I'd be back in a couple of hours. Both parties satisfied. But uh, no, apparently one part being upset is better. Oh F-land.

 

[Field]

Ive done some tests and have consistenly scored ES_P. One of those Rockport apptitude test i took i scored as a ESxP maestro type. Most of the time i would really think that i am an ESFP.

1. When i was a little kid (10 years or younger) i went through a specific phase where i went around everywhere wearing a batman costume (serious performer)

2. I have typically enjoyed physical activities. (Lots of weightlifting, karate, some uspsa competitive pistol shooting later on.)

3. Though i have a definite capacity for hard work , I dont have a burning desire to
(win/dominate/be the best/stand out/be aggressive)? If im in a competition sometimes i would almost rather lose to someone who has worked harder/ wants to win more than i do.

4. If other people are having a disagreement i tend to prefer mediating and not taking sides.

5. I seem to value "feeling good" over anything else, i really value being mobile and physically able. When i get little aches and pains i can be a hypochondriac and worry about it alot.

7. Definitely have a hard time working or doing something when i dont agree with it. If i think something is r3tarded its almost impossible for me to make myself do it. Very rough.

8. When im in "Get Er Done" mode i can definitely be kind of a pushy d-bag.

9. I have an Endomorphic-Mesomorph bodytype. Naturally inclined to be fairly muscly, but then have hips a little wider than the prototypical X-frame type of person.

10. I can be kind of blunt and terse especially when talking on the phone. This could be a personality trait or it could simply be because i dont practice alot of speechcraft.

11. Personally beleive that refining and mastering a skill/craft is probably the most important thing to be had in life.

12. Not extremely big on listening to music... its cool sometimes, but usually can just take it or leave it. It almost kind of makes me tired listening to loud music sometimes. Sometimes the little sounds of everyday life can be nice to listen to as well.

13. Im cross dominant . Left eye dominant but right handed. Stuff on your left side is controlled by your right hemisphere and vice versa.

14. I think i view things realisticly, and it will depress me at times.

 

[Field]

15. Im definitely NOT someone that likes to touch/hug people. I do not like touching other people that much. I dont think i have any wierd psyche problems, its just something that i dont actively seek out because i dont care about it.

Though...

16. There is something appealing about hanging out and being in busy public areas , like i will sit on a bench and read an e-book on my i-phone in the mall or something wierd like that. Simply being around people and activity.

17. I usually find myself not giving alot of eye contact when i talk to people , sometimes this will make people think that i am spacing out and not listening.

 

[DJArendee]

ESFP's get uncomfortable when they listen to you analyze.