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I began pondering this function a while ago and came to the conclusion I know hardly anything about it. As an Ni dominant I find those who are dominant in Ne seem to 'click' with me, and there is a very natural understanding and method of communication between us.

As ENTPs, how would you all describe the feeling of having Ne as your dominant function? Do you have any stories, quotes, experiences, etc. that you could share to shed some more light on the subject? I'm very curious.

I would just look up more about the function on the internet, but I find things to be more illuminating when coming from the horses' mouths; figuratively speaking of course, I'm in no way calling you all horses. ENTPs are way too intelligent to be branded with such a dim-witted animal.

And yes, I did just make an attempt of flattery in order to entice more responses to my thread... Is it working?
 

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It's a mixed blessing.

I have the ability to predict most of what's going to happen in a typical movie, so to stave off boredom I start writing an alternate storyline in my head while the movie is playing. When the real movie is over and people ask me what I thought I tell them how much better it could have been with this cool alternate ending. But then I can't remember how the real movie ended. I had tuned it out by that point. This makes people think I'm kind of an ass. And they are kinda right.

Another example of how it works against us in social settings: I can joke about people having affairs or being former convicts or sex offenders or part-time strippers and hit the nail on the head most of the time. That sometimes makes people want to kill me.

I also tend to fall in love with the person I imagine my beloved could be and not what they are. This causes a lot of misery.

That's an example of the downside.

The upside?

I can join in a conversation about almost anything and make good contributions that convince people I know what I'm talking about.

I can open up source code I've never seen before and figure out why it's failing.

I can look at a dumpy house in a semi-dumpy neighborhood and know that with some landscaping and concrete work it would be very desirable to someone with a lot of money.

If someone says something can't be done I know they are just lazy or bullshitting me.
 

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Hmmm... Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I gather Ne is very much possibility/future oriented, and makes many connections and finds patterns in things, thus brainstorming ideas based on the patterns it finds? I read somewhere (don't ask for the source, I don't remember) that the connections Ne makes are more 'shallow', while Ni makes much more "piercing' and 'deep' connections. Ne has the advantage of speed, while Ni is much slower. Is that true? Is this why you guys can jump into a conversation and, as you said, 'make good contributions that convince people (you) know what (you're) talking about'?
 

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I would assume you are right about the depth of Ne versus Ni. The only observation I have to add about Ne is that it allows the mood in the environment to be understood very quickly. When I enter an office and everyone is doing similar activities, I notice them very quickly and can tell that they are really busy or not at all busy. To notice a pattern right when you enter a room is one of the core aspects of Ne. It is effortless.

Ideas do pop up seemingly out of nowhere, and that is another Ne thing. In order to completely understand Ne, it is important to contrast this with Se and Si. With those functions, I believe that stories and memories pop up out of nowhere more often than original ideas.

Ni is still the most fascinating function and least definable.
 

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It's a mixed blessing.

I have the ability to predict most of what's going to happen in a typical movie, so to stave off boredom I start writing an alternate storyline in my head while the movie is playing. When the real movie is over and people ask me what I thought I tell them how much better it could have been with this cool alternate ending. But then I can't remember how the real movie ended. I had tuned it out by that point. This makes people think I'm kind of an ass. And they are kinda right.

Another example of how it works against us in social settings: I can joke about people having affairs or being former convicts or sex offenders or part-time strippers and hit the nail on the head most of the time. That sometimes makes people want to kill me.

I also tend to fall in love with the person I imagine my beloved could be and not what they are. This causes a lot of misery.

That's an example of the downside.

The upside?

I can join in a conversation about almost anything and make good contributions that convince people I know what I'm talking about.

I can open up source code I've never seen before and figure out why it's failing.

I can look at a dumpy house in a semi-dumpy neighborhood and know that with some landscaping and concrete work it would be very desirable to someone with a lot of money.

If someone says something can't be done I know they are just lazy or bullshitting me.
Interesting because...

~ I typically know how the movie is going to finish out before it is done. So there often comes a point where the storyline reaches a "plateau" and I'll be sitting there like "Ok, can we get this moving because I know Alice is going to end up with Eric and she's going to be hired on the advertising firm". I may not say it out loud, but I'm ALWAYS thinking it. Rarely do I watch a movie that keeps me engaged the whole time and it doesn't give me time to predict what will happen.
~ With my ex's I've realized that I have always fallen in love with what I idealistically thought they were, but not who they really were. I always seem to idealistically hope for the NT traits, but I eventually realize they don't possess that depth... noticed this now upon reflection.
~ I often feel that if someone says something can't be done, then they are just being lazy or BSing me. Its typically such a simple thing that can make a huge difference that is claimed to "not be realistic".
 

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I use my Ne in humour, since I take what is presented in front of me and just think of the wildest craziest possibilities and people find it funny. Often times I literally start laughing at my own thoughts. You have no idea how many jokes I came up with at the strip club I just got back from.

Ne is also what helps devise a plan of action (at least a rough one) within seconds no matter what the problem.

Ne is awesome.
 

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ENTPs are way too intelligent to be branded with such a dim-witted animal.

And yes, I did just make an attempt of flattery in order to entice more responses to my thread... Is it working?
Horses are incredibily intelligent. It could of worked had you tried a different animal.
 

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There are other threads around on this subject, worth doing a quick trawl of the forum.

Ne is great, can be a little scattergun though. I find often that odd questions pop up and I can go off on a tangent when I should be "on task" at work. I seem to be paired with an assistant this week who is INTP, and the rest of the dept are beginning to look a little bemused. The date of origin of hanging frames on buildings and whether the stairwell design in ours is structurally sound and/or an architect's mistake was one...then we moved onto how easy it would be to write a routine for voxel rendering of CT scans for templating of fracture surgery in 3D. From there we entered into a discussion on how you could anthropomorphise an anaesthetic machine to do an amusing stop-go animation of it coming to life for youtube, and what music we would set that to.....

With other Ne users, I find that it can be very interesting that we come up with the same connections though, so I wonder if this is as original a skill as we are led to believe. I have an ENFP friend who often says whet I am about to open my mouth to say, even down to really off-the wall stuff like sometimes getting the feeling that the moor I live on is itself a living thing, with a sleeping giant organism under the stones.....

I'm glad other people have problems with films. I find it can be hard to sustain interest.
 

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Films are made for the 85% of the population that is NOT xNxx. Most o the time. They do not reflect as much, and the producers (Les Gohrmann?) make their money. A tad off-topic, but I can like "somewhat" predictable movies as long as they are "visionary" in some aspect. I really liked Peter Jacksons latest about the dead girl. In general, I prefer good story before action or "craftmanship". Surprise me!
 

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Hmmm... Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I gather Ne is very much possibility/future oriented, and makes many connections and finds patterns in things, thus brainstorming ideas based on the patterns it finds? I read somewhere (don't ask for the source, I don't remember) that the connections Ne makes are more 'shallow', while Ni makes much more "piercing' and 'deep' connections. Ne has the advantage of speed, while Ni is much slower. Is that true? Is this why you guys can jump into a conversation and, as you said, 'make good contributions that convince people (you) know what (you're) talking about'?
It's not that we don't always know what we're talking about. We're just able to make quicker connections not always paying attention to the data behind it. I made an observation about the difference between Ne and Ni a while back on another forum and this is what I observed (I took out parts pertaining to the original conversation though) :

This is just my observation:

Intuition is complex and seems to have the ability to make connections between many things instantaneously and at times unconsciously. Time is never a factor and neither is outer appearance. It seems to basically find a pattern in whatever it is focusing on.

Ni users basically use this process in an introverted fashion so they focus on underlying trends and symbols. They see something and can't help but apply intuition to the data behind it. The object or event taking place is not as much of a priority as the data and meaning. Ne users extrovert intuition and observe something and can't help but apply intuition to the object or event itself. The data behind it is still a factor but to a lesser extent. They are more focused on comparing the events themselves.

Both processes require a large amount of information before they can work properly so intuition reliant types are always curious and always exploring to further develop this process.

Ne users probably appear more unfocused because the function constantly taking in and comparing actions and events in the external world. They become distracted easier because the distraction itself is valuable information to them. For an Ni user they can focus more because actions and events matter less. The data behind an event is of more important to them. The action, event, or object may only be important if they choose to analyze it.

Ni users come to conclusions only after all the symbols, data, meanings...etc. behind something match up in their minds.
Ne users might take a snippet of information and then start to use that information and compare it to the actions taking place in the even itself.

Ni can take something to a whole other level by finding a pattern in the information behind it and then following that same pattern into the future. Ni, in situations that benefit from being able to recognize a trend in order to move forward, can be very sharp and can usually give them clearer insight into things that will happen in the future. I'd imagine that this process takes a bit longer than Ne but is more accurate in some situations.

Ne takes a snippet or various snippets of information and compares it to every action that has takes place in a situation and then it creates a model out of that and runs with it. Ne benefits in situations that benefit from being able to see an underlying structure quickly. The process is quicker but would not be ideal in situations that needed to be used to predict. It however might be a bit more flexible seeing as it doesn't necessarily pay attention to trends.

......... I disagree with the statement that "Ne is wide" and "Ni is narrow". I think that intuition is by nature "wide" whether it is introverted or extroverted. I think that Ne can be more uncertain in some situations because it doesn't rely heavily on data. Ni plays around with collected data, meanings and symbols and therefore appears sharp and decisive.
So I think it gives us the added ability to bullshit people because of the way it works. But I wouldn't consider it to be shallow.
 

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I like to describe it as a web of information. Kinda like a word association map. There is a lot of information in my brain, a lot of facts and ideas, and if there is a connection between two or more to be made, it will be made or it will sit there in storage until a connection CAN be made.
 

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It's a decision making short cut. I don't have to think in sentences to function. I jump from point to point then to a solution. Down side is, I jump from peak to peak, and forget the details hidden in the valleys so I sometimes miss things completely.
 
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There were these two images posted in one of ENFP threads to demonstrate differences between Ne and Ni. They actually don't show the whole picture - I wanted to rework them a little and also draw a bunch of arrows inside the head to make a better representation of these functions.

Also I don't think that anyone is very rigidly restricted to using only Ni or Ne. I think Ni-dominants have a bit of Ne going on at all times and Ne-dominants have a bit of Ni functioning. At least by myself I know that at time I can get some crazy "wouldn't it be cool to do this" idea that just pops in my mind out of the blue, caused by some momentary outside stimulus. That seems to be workings of Ne.



 

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Very interesting. I've also noticed the flipping back and forth between Ni and Ne. For instance, I know an INTJ who can sometimes very much seem like an ENTP. Perhaps everyone has a flip personality. I can seem like an ENFJ when I extravert my Fi. I also know an ISTP who sometimes behaves like an ESTJ.
 

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I'm curious about Ni. I feel like I have it working for me sometimes and wish to develop it further. Any advice? I really admire that long range vision with forward movement that doesn't fizzle out.
 

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I'm curious about Ni. I feel like I have it working for me sometimes and wish to develop it further. Any advice? I really admire that long range vision with forward movement that doesn't fizzle out.
I sometimes try to exercise my Ne by consciously thinking about how things could be made to be in immediate future, asking "what if I do this" and generating possible scenarios. It doesn't come easily to me but on occasion it seems to just naturally roll.

To exercise Ni you should consciously ask yourself why something is the way it is, what made it come into being, try to look at it from different perspectives to figure out where it fits in the overall context of everything else, try to figure out how things work. With people ask yourself why a person is thinks/feels the way he or she does, what are motivations behind his or her actions, what in their past could have influenced them, what is dear to them and what they find repulsive (that's Ni/Fe combined). Then project into future what goal that person is trying to attain, what does he or she really want.
 
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