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@Oswin @shinynotshiny and @Living dead (since we've spoken about typing songs before)

I had my topic about "Function Anthems," and while I think that was a productive thread, on this thread I'm hoping to be a little more specific. I'm hoping to uncover the difference between those Fe songs and those Fi songs.

I know there's a difference. In other conversations on this forum we've discussed the difference lightly. But we haven't really gotten to the actual difference, other than that "this one is Fi and this one is Fe". In this thread, I'm wondering if anyone knows how to tell the two apart.

Here are two songs I'm pretty sure are Fe and Fi. Am I on the right track?

(You'll have to forgive me for the musical numbers. I also chose the arguably good or bad movie versions of these songs, for some controlled variable for comparison.)

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Fi Song
 

I recognize that Eponine is arguably an Fe user, but I still think the nature of this song is Fi. Could be incorrect, though.
 

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This steers a bit off-topic, but my boyfriend was discussing songs by type groupings with me, and I found it interesting:

.EPs -- "Let me tell you this story about things that I did and the repercussions thereof" or "Freedom! Fun! Individuality! Woooh!" (he's an ENFP, by the way) E.g: Taylor Swift (ESTP) and her breakup songs, and Katy Perry (ESFP) and her go-get-em'/party songs.
.IJs: "I had a preconceived notion and I was wrong!"
.EJs: "I can do this!/This is something I'm going to do, and you can too!" E.g: Kelly Clarkson (ESFJ)
.IPs: "This is what happened to me", "This is what this other person does to/for me"

Not all of the songs by those types follow those tropes, granted, but there is enough consistency to be noted.
 

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Trying to make sense of what I'm thinking

I get what @zosio913 is saying and I agree,but I somehow get a sense of "loopiness" from songs,at least the ones I listen to seem like that.Like,they often seem like mix of Se dom and Fe dom,say Fe things in Se way or Se things in a more Pi-ish way so it's a bit complicated.
 

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I mentioned Janelle Monáe in your other thread. I think her album The ArchAndroid has an overall Fi message. This is one of my favorite songs from the album:


So you think I'm alone?
But being alone's the only way to be

When you step outside
You spend life fighting for your sanity

This is a cold war
You better know what you're fighting for
This is a cold war
Do you know what you're fighting for?

If you want to be free
Below the ground is the only place to be

'Cause in this life
You spend time running from depravity

This is a cold war
Do you know what you're fighting for?
This is a cold war
You better know what you're fighting for
This is a cold war
You better know what you're fighting for
This is a cold war
Do you know what you're fighting for?

Bring wings to the weak and bring grace to the strong
May all evil stumble as it flies in the world
All the tribes comes and the mighty will crumble

We must brave this night and have faith in love

I'm trying to find my peace
I was made to believe there's something wrong with me

And it hurts my heart
Lord have mercy, ain't it plain to see?

That this is a cold war
Do you know what you're fighting for?
This is a cold war
You better know what you're fighting for

This is a cold....
This is a cold war
You better know what you're fighting for

Do you know? It's a cold...
Do you?
Do you?

It's a cold ...
You better know what you're fighting for


I think it goes without saying that she isn't only singing about herself and her personal experiences. Her message is broader than that.
 

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Te inferior anthem


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This seems Fe to me:


I think it's easily-contrastable with the Fi song. Amy wants to shut herself off from the real world and live inside her fantasy, whereas Yael wants to adapt to the real world and learn and grow.
 

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.EJs: "I can do this!/This is something I'm going to do, and you can too!" E.g: Kelly Clarkson (ESFJ)
Unrelated, but this is pretty much the Fe anthem:
One of my personal favorites :D Typically, Fe would be related to other people (the song is literally "because of you" haha). You can take a look at pretty much any of Christina Perry's songs, but let's take Human:
Do you see how Fe this is? It's like, I can do everything you want and be a good girl, but your words hurt and in the end I'm only human and I'll get up and go when I had enough. That's so Fe. Jar of Hearts is Fe as well, but Human is just Fe thrown into your face aggressively haha.
 

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@alittlebear I think you are right:

No One is Alone = Fe. An excellent example.
On My Own = Fi (Eponine always seemed Fi to me tbh, but even if she is Fe, the song is Fi. All about her feelings and staying true to them even though they aren't reciprocated and cause pain; feeling separate from other people)
 

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.EJs: "I can do this!/This is something I'm going to do, and you can too!" E.g: Kelly Clarkson (ESFJ)

Not all of the songs by those types follow those tropes, granted, but there is enough consistency to be noted.
DIS IS MA HARTBEET SON AN IM GONNA PLAY IT
BEEN SO LONG I FORGOT HOW TO TURN IT UP
UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP

uuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i've heard that crap song so many times kill me

I think there's gonna be some difference between ETJ and EFJ in that grouping.

I think ETJ is more like... Rammstein. :proud:
 

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i immediately thought of "never understand" by the jesus and mary chain as an Fi song.


The sun comes up another day begins
And I don't even worry about the state I'm in
Head so heavy and I'm looking thin
But when the sun goes down I wanna start again


You never understandin'
You never understand me, yeah


Don't turn around until you look at me
Why don't you take a second and tell me what you see
The things I see you only disagree
You never understand that's what I want to be


You never understandin'
You never understand me, yeah


Wishing to hide but you just can't see me
I tell you the truth but you don't believe me
Thinking of love but I can't hear what you're saying
Tomorrow I'm leaving 'cause I'm not understandin' you


'Cause I'm not understandin' you
'Cause I'm not understandin' you
'Cause I'm not understandin' you
 

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We spent so many years together yet now it seems like we never even loved each other

Is he wondering how I'm doing and if I'm calling for him at night?
I'm not doing well but I blame myself for that

Hey,life,all is good,I've learned a lot
If only I could teach myself not to love him
Hey,life,save me so I don't have to look at him
My love means nothing if he doesn't need it

He took everything from me,
took everything and gave to her
Let him take her to the moon,so he doesn't touch my life
Is he wondering how I'm doing and if I'm calling for him at night?
I'm not doing well but I blame myself for that.

Chorus(hey,life,etc,etc)




Seems Fe to me because of thinking about what he's thinking,what he's doing,also "My love means nothing if he doesn't need it" and "He took everything from me and gave it to her"(I think Fe is more likely to do that sort of "keeping track" on emotions given and received,and Fi wouldn't devalue their feelings like that)
 

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Would it bother you guys if I posted some songs in a weird language and weird style and then translate the parts I find relevant?Or maybe if I find the whole song lyrics in English?
Hope it wouldn't be confusing :/
That's fine, Living dead! Do it however you think is best. I'm sure you won't make it too confusing for us. Do whatever works for you ^^
 
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Does anyone know some good Te or Ti songs to contrast all the sappy songs? :p

I think this is pretty Te-heavy:

or this:

The whole vibe revolves around struggle, but instead of pain and sadness you feel strength. "Fight for what you believe!"
 

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"In youth, pain is quickly forgotten
The tears dry and you smile again
Time will pass, and I will always remember you in this same form

A small piece of time God has given us
The human soul is fickle
I indeed did not believe a word of this fairytale
She (it) is too good

How you are beautiful today!
In my heart there is no pain and no evil
How beautiful you are today!
How radiant you are today

Maybe time does heal someone
Simply, why should I not remember?
You will return, and I every evening
Will remember you

(etc)

I'm pretty sure my translation messed up the Fi-ness of the song, but I really think it's a very Fi song (and Fi singer in general)

Whereas most of Orbakaite's songs (maybe her mother's too) are pretty Fe, like this:
"How will I exist without you?
Live without you?
Where will I be without you?
With whom will I be without you?
Thinking about you
Loving you to tears"

Or maybe this one...(kinda super annoying but weirdly catchy):
Why do you keep silence?
Why aren't you listening to me?
You aren't telling me that you can't breathe without me
I got tired of waiting
Until the short beeps (like on a telephone?) replace the sad words
Maybe you can understand that you made a mistake?
I see a smile on your face again
Well, answer me, I'm falling apart in the silence
Indeed I cannot (live) without you
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And maybe it's right for you to forget everything
And for me to open my heart and let my soul go
And maybe it's right for you to tell me everything
Indeed I won't sleep until I know
I am ready to give everything for your gentle voice

Etc.)

This is Fe, right? Otherwise I'll have to rethink what cognitive function I use)
 

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I drifted away from Bjork after her album Volta, but I decided to revisit her and came across this video:


Is she singing about...

- an intense relationship between two people? opposing forces? (Fi)
- changing oneself to fit something or someone else? (Fe)
- both? neither? something else entirely?
 

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DIS IS MA HARTBEET SON AN IM GONNA PLAY IT
BEEN SO LONG I FORGOT HOW TO TURN IT UP
UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP

uuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i've heard that crap song so many times kill me

I think there's gonna be some difference between ETJ and EFJ in that grouping.

I think ETJ is more like... Rammstein. :proud:
I love this song <3
 
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