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I'm having the issue where I can see Fe in myself, but I don't see either Si or Ni. There must be some reason why Fe must be paired with introverted perception, other than "It's the rules". There must be a way they work together as a whole, like Fe being the wheels and Si or Ni being the axle. One cannot move without the other. It's like needing both length and width, or both time and space, in order for things to happen. So how does Fe work with Si and Ni? Does it work differently depending on which one is dominant and which is the auxiliary?
 

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Fe isn't 'paired' with Si or Ni, we use all 8 functions in different order preference.
I don't think that's true. Every source I've read has said that each type has a specific function order which isn't arbitrary. If the dominant function is an introverted perception function, then the auxiliary must be an extroverted judging function, and vice versa.
 

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I don't think that's true. Every source I've read has said that each type has a specific function order which isn't arbitrary. If the dominant function is an introverted perception function, then the auxiliary must be an extroverted judging function, and vice versa.
That's not what I meant. I meant your Fe may be in a weaker position so you may be a Ti dom/aux, so the other three functions you mentioned Fe, Ni, Si, are weaker so you have a harder time identifying them.

As for your question, yea the dom and aux functions are paired together because they work together and are conscious functions, so you can control your use of them. I can't tell you exactly how Ni+Fe/Si+Fe work cause I'm not that familiar with that combo.Ni generally connects the dots and envisions the picture, like you have a puzzle with missing pieces yet you make out what it shows. Si is more detail-oriented, and notices sensory stimuli, many times connecting to past experiences. Both Ni and Si are subjective functions so they deal with/notice things important to each person, so they are zoning in rather than spreading out.
 

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That's not what I meant. I meant your Fe may be in a weaker position so you may be a Ti dom/aux, so the other three functions you mentioned Fe, Ni, Si, are weaker so you have a harder time identifying them. As for your question, yea the dom and aux functions are paired together because they work together and are conscious functions, so you can control your use of them. I can't tell you exactly how Ni+Fe/Si+Fe work cause I'm not that familiar with that combo.Ni generally connects the dots and envisions the picture, like you have a puzzle with missing pieces yet you make out what it shows. Si is more detail-oriented, and notices sensory stimuli, many times connecting to past experiences. Both Ni and Si are subjective functions so they deal with/notice things important to each person, so they are zoning in rather than spreading out.
I guess what's confusing is that I don't really see any perception function in me to significant degrees. I don't really seem concerned with gathering information about the world, reflecting on experiences, envisioning the future, etc.
 

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Fe isn't 'paired' with Si or Ni, we use all 8 functions in different order preference.
We use shadow functions so sparingly that there isn't even a point in saying "we use all eight functions". If you want to subscribe to theory, someone use mostly their four "main" functions.
 

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We use shadow functions so sparingly that there isn't even a point in saying "we use all eight functions". If you want to subscribe to theory, someone use mostly their four "main" functions.
In my experience, the Super-Ego block which has the weakest functions is very easily suppressed and sparingly used like you say, but the Id block is utilized more frequently, though always threatened by the strong functions. It requires more effort to be used, but it happens.
Also, more importantly, the stack of our 8 functions results in certain behaviors so depending on where your shadow functions are in the stack you can identify better which type you are, especially the PoLR function that is the weakest. So looking at the whole stack instead of only the 4 strongest may help better as you see how they interact and manifest in a person's whole behavior patterns.
 

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I guess what's confusing is that I don't really see any perception function in me to significant degrees. I don't really seem concerned with gathering information about the world, reflecting on experiences, envisioning the future, etc.
Then maybe it is introverted indeed
Maybe these threads can help you
http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/1176426-ni-demystified-defined.html
http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/1181346-rant-introverted-sensing-si-doms-please-read.html
 

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From what I've come across:

Fe-Si: Talks to a lot of people/Is a polite person, very open, and talks about their past experiences or what they like while telling you stories about it. Reacts to the present based on how things have worked in the past to give an immediate response.

Fe-Ni: Polite person, can be very open, a bit more idealistic, talks about abstract concepts, but can also just talk about mundane topics despite feeling it's unnatural. Can sometimes come off as mean due to acting towards the future especially in the face of those who demand an immediate response.

I can't tell you how many times I've had run-ins with XSFJ's and XSTJ's where I've tried to tell them that if they spend too much time treating a child a certain way, it's going to lead them to act differently in the future, so they tend to disagree with my words because it isn't currently relevant.
 
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From what I've come across: Fe-Si: Talks to a lot of people/Is a polite person, very open, and talks about their past experiences or what they like while telling you stories about it. Reacts to the present based on how things have worked in the past to give an immediate response. Fe-Ni: Polite person, can be very open, a bit more idealistic, talks about abstract concepts, but can also just talk about mundane topics despite feeling it's unnatural. Can sometimes come off as mean due to acting towards the future especially in the face of those who demand an immediate response. I can't tell you how many times I've had run-ins with XSFJ's and XSTJ's where I've tried to tell them that if they spend too much time treating a child a certain way, it's going to lead them to act differently in the future, so they tend to disagree with my words because it isn't currently relevant.
Thanks for the response. I'm actually wondering about how Ni predictions work. When you say the child would act differently in the future, are you sure of how this specific child will act the future, or is it more of a general trend that children treated in such a way tend to have certain future behaviors?
 

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Thanks for the response. I'm actually wondering about how Ni predictions work. When you say the child would act differently in the future, are you sure of how this specific child will act the future, or is it more of a general trend that children treated in such a way tend to have certain future behaviors?
To be quite honest, I would say both. In this scenario, a child being spoiled, I can easily see turning into a problem in the future, especially if nothing changes and the same events play out as they do currently. The difference between myself and ESFJ's lie in how our third functions react to it. My tert Se looks for proof of how I believe matters will play out (observing how certain trends play out with the child's behavior to see if there is a difference. Takes action to ensure that the child learns manners and politeness.) This future is very likely to me, very real. It hasn't happen, but I am aware it could, and feel as if it will occur, so I try to ensure/prevent it.

Compare it with an ESFJ's Ne function ("What? Oh that's not true, it's possible that they could become anything. You can't prove they're going to turn out one specific way, but if it's possible maybe we could start doing-*suggests a variety of possible scenarios, but believe in their own specific experiences to figure out how to deal with things.* "I've taken cared of children before, I'm sure everything will be fine."))
 
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To be quite honest, I would say both. In this scenario, a child being spoiled, I can easily see turning into a problem in the future, especially if nothing changes and the same events play out as they do currently. The difference between myself and ESFJ's lie in how our third functions react to it. My tert Se looks for proof of how I believe matters will play out (observing how certain trends play out with the child's behavior to see if there is a difference. Takes action to ensure that the child learns manners and politeness.) This future is very likely to me, very real. It hasn't happen, but I am aware it could, and feel as if it will occur, so I try to ensure/prevent it. Compare it with an ESFJ's Ne function ("What? Oh that's not true, it's possible that they could become anything. You can't prove they're going to turn out one specific way, but if it's possible maybe we could start doing-*suggests a variety of possible scenarios, but believe in their own specific experiences to figure out how to deal with things.* "I've taken cared of children before, I'm sure everything will be fine."))
I'm probably more similar to the xSFJ in that regard. I can have an idea of what might happen, but I would feel really uncomfortable claiming that it will happen as if it were a fact. I'd feel more comfortable stating a general trend that kids treated that way can end up a certain way, that way I'm not really stating an opinion of what I think will happen. So I would have to be an Si type then....But I don't really have any memories aside from occasional fragments. I've thought that it may be because I don't reflect on past experiences, so they are forgotten. Ugh, MBTI not working.
 

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I'm probably more similar to the xSFJ in that regard. I can have an idea of what might happen, but I would feel really uncomfortable claiming that it will happen as if it were a fact. I'd feel more comfortable stating a general trend that kids treated that way can end up a certain way, that way I'm not really stating an opinion of what I think will happen. So I would have to be an Si type then....But I don't really have any memories aside from occasional fragments. I've thought that it may be because I don't reflect on past experiences, so they are forgotten. Ugh, MBTI not working.
Well, one exercise to try with yourself, is to search what functions you relate to. To see if you lean more towards feeling or thinking, Intuitive or Sensing. To at least save yourself the issue of searching two letters. However, what I would suggest even moreso, is to learn how functions work based on placement rather than just in a void to spare yourself the trouble. There's always a Dom-Aux-Tert-Inferior in every stack. It's a good method to see how each function operates.
 
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