Female teachers and boys growing into men

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · Sep 5, 2010

I found this link on Reddit just now...
Why-women-teachers-like-treat-boy-illness

and combined with the PC poll/thread...
http://personalitycafe.com/polls/30283-how-would-you-rate-would-have-rated-your-school-life.html

...it's really got me thinking about how I've grown up.

I'm not so much looking at this article as a objecting to female teachers in anyway, but more about how society is shaping and molding boys to be 'less male' and be more passive.

Discuss please. I want to know what other people think about this article.

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 14, 2010

one thing is for sure, if i had a male teacher in high school, my final grade would be about 10% higher than with a female teacher. and if i was in a class that had me moving around and using my hands, it would be at least 89%. even thru university, same things.

im wondering if in the teachers' minds they think they're doing a good thing by treating everyone the same?

one part of the article that really hit me was...
"Our society teaches that the traditionally masculine roles of father, breadwinner and protector are outdated and sexist."

...i mean wow. there are lots of men out there that see their job as their status in their tribe/group/family. they NEED to go out and bring the kill back for the tribe to consume and that is how they gain their status in the group.

idk, im rambling a bit i feel. i still havent had my caffeine yet.

one more thing: but the more i think about this article, the more i think that school systems should try to separate the boys and the girls in order to teach more effectively to the two sexes. because they are two different types, they should be treated that way and not as if they need the same things.

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · #17 · Sep 14, 2010

Our educational system doesn't take into consideration different teaching methods. We all learn differently... its not just as simple as male-centric and female-centric. However, I do agree that females have an edge in our current system.

^^ I agree with that up until...

With that said, its a slight advantage and not really that big of a deal [...] the real world requires a different kind of knowledge that is not provided in the classroom

to get to a post-secondary program, you need the classroom. if it is not helping ~50% of the population, there is something very wrong with it, especially in this politically correct world we live in. From the article "In 2009, 50 per cent of girls went into higher education; only 38 per cent of boys did." sure, that is only a 12% difference, but it still means that boys arent being treated fairly. There is room for improvement and to ignore ~50% of the population is irresponsible and detrimental.

Personally, I never felt that I was at a disadvantage during my schooling. Even if it was, I doubt the disadvantage carried over beyond the report card.
Reminds me of a study I once read that said more successful men typically carried a 3.0-3.5 in college, successful women carried a 3.5-4.0, just because women outperform men at the teaching method used in majority of the colleges and did not accurately represent their abilities post-graduation.

but it is not about how successful they are, you did say "Those who want to succeed will find a way." and that is absolutely true, it is more about how many men are going on to post-secondary and graduating there.

^^^^^ im rereading this and im thinking it came off kinda harsh, it wasnt meant to, i just wanted to point out my continued thoughts and direction in this thread which will continue here...

i am all for equal rights and equal treatment... but not for the same rights and the same treatment.

i do not have any children yet, but i do not want my son growing up in a world where he thinks the opposite sex is better than him; but at the same time, same thing if i were to have a daughter. but focusing again on the male side, i feel that society and the wanting of all organizations for social change, they want to be politically correct and want to take away masculinity since it can be aggressive and unpleasant. but then, we lose an aspect of our manhood that is hardwired into our brains (no matter how much you disagree, we are animals of this world and we do function in certain ways).

TL;DR: "Politically Correct" culture is taking away the masculinity of our boys in favour of gentler, more feminine males who then get sucked into Politically Correct culture and continue spouting the fallacy that men should be more passive. There is room for improvement and to ignore ~50% of the population is irresponsible and detrimental.

IMO this is unacceptable. I feel that I have suffered greatly by being raised to be passive.

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · #19 · Sep 14, 2010

wiarumas said:
Even though women perform better than males in school, I don't think it means the system is not fit. The kids are still being educated... they just aren't scoring as high.

In fact, the strict observance of the rules that girls are being taught may be putting them at a disadvantage in the real world. The boys, even though scoring lower, may be giving them the right mindset for the lack-of-structure real world. It might be one reason that men are being paid 25% more on average than women and hold majority of the powerful positions in the world (executives, politics, etc).

No amount of studying or strict adherence to the rules will get you there. It involves out of the box thinking that our boys might be learning indirectly by "getting by" in the schooling system.

Article about how single, childless, educated women now make more than men in the same position.
Study: Young, Single, Childless Women Earn More Than Men - TIME

Sadly though, adherence to the rules gets you your degree and that greatly increases your earning power as a worker. Getting a degree does not ask for thinking outside the box; at least not a Bachelors degree, and yes I have a BA Honours.

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · #29 · Sep 15, 2010

wiarumas said:
I believe the difference is that I don't view it as that big of a deal and that you are overestimating how dire the situation is.

the thing is is that if this escalates even further towards or to a full blown emasculation of our boys, then we'll have to fight even harder to regain masculinity for our little men. i do not wish for this thread to be about feminism, but feminism has already made it taboo to fight for mens' rights (and boys' rights)(i don't feel like i am quite communicating what i wish to say, but this is what i got right now). i just dont want to see men or women back down from this issue just because of the social stigma that feminism has put on mens' rights (and boys' rights).

so where is the line drawn? when do we start saying that it is a problem? maybe it isn't right now, maybe it is, but when does it become a big enough problem to start fighting for what is just?

environmentalist try to start conservationism for whatever when the problem first shows, not when all hell has broken loose and its a desperate struggle to get things back to normal.

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Discussion Starter · #30 · Sep 15, 2010

Introspiritual said:
There was a professor with a doctorate in Education I had a couple of years back (definitely ENFJ) who was a joy to listen to, even if you didn't agree with him. Used a lot of analogies and specific examples from his own experience to back most things up. One day, in the middle of a lecture, he went off for 30 minutes about how "it's not acceptable for boys to be boys anymore" and how we medicate and browbeat them into submission while growing up. And he laid on all of the differences he had seen in the last 10-15 years versus his 40-year professional career.

I had never really considered what he was talking about before (being INFJ and a naturally a bit more on the SNAG side of things), and decided to sit down and really think about it... And came to the overall conclusion that while he was overreacting a bit, he was generally on the right track. At first, the pendulum is all the way to one side, then it swings all the way to the other... And eventually, one hopes it finds a balance between the two sides.

That said, we're also overlooking a host of modern chemicals in most everything we eat or drink that mimic estrogen. So it's not just the education front that is contributing to the problem.

in my last year of university, i took a a class about the evolution of the family (looking at it from the English evolution of it) and one thing that the prof went on about for nearly a whole class was about how in the past, if children wanted to play, they went outside. with the invention of the car, the kids in urban areas could no longer go outside to play in the streets (every so often a kid would get hit by a car and so parents brought the kids indoors i think, cant quite remember how that worked). the streets now belong to the cars. our outdoor world is a lot less child friendly than it once was is basically what the prof was saying. i wish i could remember more about that lecture and the one after it, he was talking about how the family dynamics changed once kids started playing indoors. it may have just been that TV became the tool to keep kids busy or something.

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RealDF

Discussion Starter · #31 · Sep 15, 2010

wiarumas said:
Adherence to the rules is great if you want to be a cog in the wheel.

What I meant is that when working to get a BA, you don't often think for yourself or come up with your own ideas. You write papers and such that mimic the opinions of the prof or sometimes of a well known thinker in the subject. At least this is true for Arts degrees.

I'm not sure how long you've been in the workforce, but I'm surprised you still think your degree has anything to do with earning power.

It is a well established statistic that people with a post-secondary degree will more likely than not make more money than someone with only a high school diploma, same with a high school diploma vs. sans high school.

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