I can really identify with that one, it's a bit source of procrastination for me in certain areas especially if I'm stressed or overloaded with too much decision makingAnother instance is "fi-te grappling" when you can see how Te judges a situation, how Fi does, and you don't know how to combine the two and you keep going back on forth on two possible courses of action.. or mix them both so that your stance isn't even clear to the peopel around you.
I am fairly sure of this as well. Or it wouldn't be the kind of 'classical' kind of loop: I mean I can see how one could get stuck in a Fi-Te thing in the sense of not being able to form a sound judgment ("I don't know what I feel about this and at the same time, I don't know how to categorize this"). Whereas in a classic loop, one function fuels another, and the latter will fuel the first, over and over. Constellating/revolving around the same subject, but in a sense evolving, whereas Fi-Te doesn't evolve at all.This is not possible (I am fairly sure). Two judging functions in a loop doesn't make any sense.
Is this:That is when you want to believe something to be true, but cannot bring yourself to without conclusive evidence.
Delayed, or even cancelled judgment.Another instance is "fi-te grappling" when you can see how Te judges a situation, how Fi does, and you don't know how to combine the two and you keep going back on forth on two possible courses of action..
Actually, from my point of view, it does sound like you. Especially your example on your type.Hm none of this sounds like me at all. I just meant not being able to accept things unless they're definitively proven. Example would be my type. Iv'e read a lot about the functions and types but still cannot accept any of it unless I fully understand myself, and the functions well enough. I always end up finding multiple reasons not to accept something - and demand further proof of its validity.
I don't think I have issues with anything going against what I believe - more of just being in a state of constant analysis and disbelief.
This sounds Te, but is an inferior function in INFP.
Do you have any good reading on Fe vs Fi. I relate to Fe more I think, but sometimes I can be detached from people emotionally. I relate to the definition of Ti a lot more than Fi, but both are similar I've read. What can you tell me about this?Actually, from my point of view, it does sound like you. Especially your example on your type.
Not accepting your type unless you can fully understand yourself and the functions? Stalled Te judgment (not organizing the information about your type because available data is insufficient), possibly in tandem with an Fi value ("accept only what you can understand").
Finding multiple reasons to not accept something and demanding further proof of validity? Again, stalled Te judgment (not organizing your type because available data conflicts), again possibly in tandem with an Fi value ("accept only what is valid").
Ironically, you're using Te (and Fi) to invalidate your Te. Just to stress it: from my point of view.
You're right: it is a state of constant analysis and disbelief but it's not like a classic loop wherein one function's conclusion (whether right or wrong) is validated, which then fuels the other function to make a different conclusion (regardless of correctness, again) which is validated, and so on. And you're also right about this not being about stuff going against what you believe. The Fi-Te thing you're describing seems to lack validation.
In MBTI, the inferior (or its 'usage') is more flexible than Jung thought it is. If used 'normally', it is spoken of like the fourth function, if 'abnormally' used, it is spoken of as the inferior function. Source: N. Quenk's "Was That Really Me?". To prevent you from doing needless inspection on that: she writes it as a statement, as an assumption, without giving any logical explanation why that is. Just saying, in MBTI there is room for thinking that the inferior function 'can be used' as "non-inferior".
Dude, welcome to the club xD I think I'll have to start organizing a hunting party; for a good read on Fe vs Fi is like trying to the holy grail (in the mean time I summon @Neverontime, one of my favorite Fe vs Fi hunters).Do you have any good reading on Fe vs Fi.
No worries, it makes perfect sense to be confused since... It's just effin confusing. Especially short and cryptic descriptions like you posted just now :3It makes sense but I think I'm still confused.
I prefer Fe I think , but I lack an understanding of Fi to a degree where I can't make the decision one way or the other.
Fi - Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for.
Considering importance and worth? For what exactly? Are we speaking on morals or objective ideas? Do Fi-doms focus mostly on what is right or wrong morally all the time? I don't really do this. Deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for : seems like a universal trait unless you're a thoughtless follower.
Your comparison of empathy vs sympathy sounded exactly alike. I personally do feel bad for people with cancer and wonder why they are in this terrible situation. I don't commonly put myself in their shoes, but I do genuinely feel for them.
Tbh, I don't even know how Fi works as a rational function. I feel like I am rather logical. At this point everything is a hodgepodge of confusion - I've come too close to it and now I'm staring it straight in the face and can no longer see the big picture. Time to step back.I agree with everyone else on the Fi-Te thing. Sounds like you're doubting your Fi judgements, which happens when you're told often by others that they're illogical and therefore wrong.
Fi-Fe? Grrrrr hisss
It's a grey area, no-man's land
I'm working on it :wink:
That could also be attributable to leaning too much on Ne and not enough Te/Fi.\I can really identify with that one, it's a bit source of procrastination for me in certain areas especially if I'm stressed or overloaded with too much decision making
THis is the essence of being a P, delayed decision making. We are Ps because we have dominant introverted judging function (fi) and inferior extroverted function (Te). So that is accountable to Fi and Te.I just meant not being able to accept things unless they're definitively proven. Example would be my type.
That could also be attributable to leaning too much on Ne and not enough Te/Fi.\
(I know it's confusing...)
Ne is more dealing with OPTIONS and a possible course of actions and that causes procrastination if we aren't using it right.
Te-Fi grappling is similarly "options" but I worded it wrong- it's an option to SEE things differently. So for example, someone hurts your feelings. The Fi lense can't stop focusing on how they've been hurt or validating those feelings, the Te lense goes, this is normal, people have conflicts of interest, and it isn't personal. Personal, impersonal. If someone isn't committed to leaning on one interpetation "the fi one is more accurate, the Te one is mroe accurate" then you can get stalled.
Ne makes decisions hard because it's providing different "sense" data so therfore hard to make a decision... Te-Fi keeps changing your decision lense, so you get stalled THAT way, or act one one and then later regret it/can see the other side.
THis is the essence of being a P, delayed decision making. We are Ps because we have dominant introverted judging function (fi) and inferior extroverted function (Te). So that is accountable to Fi and Te.
It's only unhealthy if it's causing you problems, and I wouldn't take these descriptions too literally, as in word for word. I'm trying to communicate an idea but i have a hard time giving clear, exact details. (shhh I'm not really an expert).What is a healthy way of dealing with the Fi-Te issue? On the face of it it seems healthy - seeing the rational, objective side of it (Te), and seeing the emotionally rational side (Fi). You get both worlds. What is the deal?
Edit: Seems to me I mostly lean on Te. Is this strange for INFP? I mean I'd slip into insanity if I took every little thing someone said to me personally.
PS @Neverontime Love your avatar, mate.
Ne also has its challenges. For one, their Ne can make it difficult for INFPs to arrive at firm conclusions or make important decisions. It often seems that at the very moment they are feeling good about a given conclusion or decision, their Ne steps in and causes them to start doubting it again.