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Nines / Fine Distinctions / Tom Condon

Self Preservation Nines
• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
• Grateful for what they have and treasure it
• Can be reliable, dependable and consistent
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
• Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life-a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute
• Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
• Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines
Live a life of small horizons with few expectations
• Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy
• The cliche of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype
Avoid the difficult by focusing on the immediate
• Can be extremely neglectful and messy
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor
• No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time


Intimate Nines
• Loyal in love; patient and enduring; able to stay steady in long term relationships
• Realistically see their partners limits but accept them
• Good listeners; supportive non-judgmental friends
• Often focused on an unconscious ideal of romantic union
• Nines with this subtype are sometimes mistaken for Fours because of the way they can melancholically yearn for what they don’t have
• May have high expectations of romantic partners and be prone to jealousy
• Often this dynamic represents a yearning for a distant parent
• The ideal of romantic union blocks out the real relationship. It is a way of staying disengaged from your priorities, a distracting obsession
• Find their attractiveness and self-worth in how others see them
• May idealize people while deleting their flaws; could tolerate being mistreated or abused
• Can be fickle in love. After committing to a relationship they can grow critical of their partner and develop a wandering eye
• Indiscriminate; might have multiple serial relationships, searching from one person to the next, obsessing about whether their current partner is “the right one”
• Some Intimate Nines get involved with two partners and can’t decide between them, a pattern of triangulation
• Can be romantic on the one hand, callous on the other
• Sometimes feel driven by lust, especially when the have an Eight wing


Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent
• Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them
• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it
• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
• Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious
• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
• Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament
• An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention
• Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were


Nine with an Eight Wing
• Healthy Nines with an Eight wing have a modest, steady, receptive quality
• Charged by the dynamism of Eight; can have great energy and force of will
• Get things done, make good leaders and have a personal magnetism of which they are only partly aware
• This wing brings a stronger internal sense of direction; when they decide on a path of action they may be impossible to influence
• Relatively fearless and highly intuitive; take their work seriously but not themselves
• Good friend to others, offers a protective quality. Sympathize with underdogs
• Not very visual but the connection to Three can modify this somewhat
• May seem laconic and laid-back on the surface but that belies a deeper intensity
• Can be surprisingly tactless, rude or gauche and be oblivious to the fact
• Some Nines with an Eight wing aren’t conscious of being afraid-their connection to Six.Pave over their fears with aggression and numb callousness
• Might surround themselves with fearful people, say, a nervous dependent Six whom the Nine then rescues. Can have savior complexes
• May displace their anger; pick a fight about something peripheral-not what’s really bothering them; Sometimes behind the anger is a tearful vulnerability
• Could be amiable, kindly and supportive one minute and then blunt, opinionated or nasty the next. A Jekyll/Hyde quality
• Prone to blame and to mishandling their anger; while not exactly vengeful they can be
vindictive. An anti-authoritarian streak is also possible


Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with detail
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated
• Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine
• Placid numbness can creep over them. exceptionally out of touch with feelings.
Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls


Nine’s Connection to Six
• This connection brings Nines courage. Where healthy Sixes develop the courage todo, Nines find the courage to be.
• The connection can usefully shake up a Nine’s complacency. It helps Nines challenge their fears and take risks, expose the inner self that they usually disguise and efface
• The connection to Six brings tenacity and stamina – a willingness to see things through, to work faithfully away at tasks and commitments with a committed perseverance.
• Brings an idealism, sense of responsibility that stirs the Nine to action.
• Realistic, more able to acknowledge what can go wrong. If Nines tend to minimize andSixes exaggerate. unable to ignore being upset, useful self- doubt
• Sixish Nines can have a nervous, scatterbrained quality. They can over anticipateevents, start to doubt themselves and think in anxious, obsessive loops
• Distract themselves from seeing the obvious or taking useful action.
• Can seem agitated and frightened in a beside-the-point way
• The Nine’s laziness about personal priorities is reinforced by the Six tendency to procrastinate. Sixes postpone taking any action, while Nines put off taking right action
• Sixish Nines can go in nervous busy circles. thinking about a problem or a decision extra hard while getting more and more confused and obsessive
• Can be risk-aversive, afraid of making mistakes that might provoke conflict.
• Obedient to authority and a sense of tradition
• Might hand over responsibility for decisions to others and then blame the others if the decisions don’t turn out well
• Can be cowardly and may run away from conflict or be undependable under stress or duress
• Anti-authoritarian attitudes especially with an Eight wing
• An episodic experience of fear-a Nine could have anxiety attacks followed by months
when the Nine is not conscious of feeling fear at all

Nine’s Connection to Three
• Brings Nines a kind of clarity of the heart
• They can suddenly see and prioritize on their own behalf. They take decisive deliberate steps towards personal goals. brings energy, industry, action and purpose
• This connection supports a steady persistence. Focused Nines are unstoppable
• A stepwise strategy for taking action and completing tasks in the real world
• This connection also helps Nines with appropriate social presentation. They are more willing to dress up and voluntarily play roles in the service of goals. They can also have a sense of propriety, be well-groomed and have good manners
• Healthy Threeish Nines can find freedom in role playing and the connection to Three can bring acting abilities as well as a talent for mimicry
• Distinct tendencies towards role-playing and hyperactivity as a distraction from their basic sense of non-being. A busy form of self- neglect, an active laziness
• Threeish Nines can go false and be defined by a milieu, playing roles based on the expectations of others
• May be vain, enjoy being mistaken for an image or indulge in episodic show-off behavior
• Nines can be fascinated by or obsessed with Three-like falseness in others; may want to root out fraudulence in others and tear it down
• In Threeish cultures (America) or subcultures (corporations) Nines can feel extra pressure to succeed and achieve-which they may then accommodate or sabotage
• They may be ambitious although often they are acting out someone else’s ambition.Can be chosen to fulfill the family’s unfulfilled wished and dreams.
• This connection supports a prince or princess-like quality and Threeish Nines can act entitled.
• Can fluctuate between high and low self-esteem; underneath their image, a Nine may
feel indefinite, insignificant and depressingly unworthy.
 

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Thanks so much for posting these @Animal!!! So much fun to read through all of them.

Nines / Fine Distinctions / Tom Condon


Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent
• Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
All, yes

• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them
Not really sure what this means... maybe a reluctance to "wear the same t shirt" or something? I don't think I feel that. I'm okay with being seen as fully a part of a group. Or rather, I love to be seen as fully a part of a group.

• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
Not sure about this either... I guess reluctance to really take on all the responsibilities? I don't really relate to that, I love having responsibilities put on me. I don't overburden myself because I know I'll want time to myself at some point, but I'm okay with people having expectations of me.

Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
Yes

• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it
Hmm. Not really speaking to me.

• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
Not really speaking to me either, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true somewhere deep down inside.

• Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious
I'm definitely pretty introverted, though I suppose I can see extroverted for brief stretches. I'm relatively image-conscious. I've never been hyperactive, though. I definitely on the more energetic side of things (no one would call me lazy), but mostly just average in terms of how much activity I do.

• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
Again, this isn't shouting out to me, but could be true?

Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
Eh, probably not, I'm more likely to be detached and dispassionate

• Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament
• An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention
This is interesting, I've never heard this tidbit before. I definitely don't seek attention, though I do enjoy attention (there's a crucial difference there-- I love attention but I will wait til somebody else gives it to me voluntarily, because then I know for sure they truly wanted to give it to me. If I went and sought it out, I'd always be wondering 'do people really care about me, or are they just giving me attention because I demanded it?')
I don't relate at all to "broadcasting an implicit attitude of privilege", not even sure what that would look like.

• Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were
Well... not really. I did receive a lot of loving attention as a child, but I was so determined to forget who I was, that I never really was in a position to "feel ignored for I who I actually was." If anything, the opposite-- people asking me who I was, but me not being able to answer because I was so alienated from my real, lived sense of myself, that I couldn't answer.

Overall, this is all sketchy to me. I relate to the stuff about loving to be part of a group and even being a good leader. But I don't relate to the hyperactivity stuff at all .
I'm highly tuned to people around me, making the "merging" aspect of type Nine the most dangerous for me. If I don't feel welcomed by people around me, I can feel extremely self-conscious. On the other hand, if I do feel highly welcomed and comfortable, I can be extremely talkative. But overall my emotional affect is dispassionate.
Group dynamics are my thing. They're so incredibly obvious to me. That's why I sometimes make a good leader.

Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
Definitely, especially the low maintenance part

• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with detail
Yeah, I guess.

• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
lol this is charming but I don't know if it applies to me

• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
Relatively speaking, sure. I struggle with being good-natured because I can be so irritable. But I really, really want to be all of this, does that count?

• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled
Yes, completely

unemotional and disassociated
Yes

• Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
Hmm interesting, never thought about this in particular, but it could be true

• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
Well I'm not visibly successful as of yet (though hopefully I will be!), but I can myself not feeling really connected to what I achieve. I don't really care if someone complements me, because I always wonder how I know for sure that I really did as good a job as they say.

• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
Hmm like relationships I guess? I could see myself doing this.

• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
Not really, I'm kind of whatever about habits of living, I can adjust easily. I do tend to do the same thing over and over, I just go on autopilot and forget about, while daydreaming or thinking about something more important. But when I suddenly get an idea for a change, or a change just happens to me, I'm pleasantly surprised. I think I do like change for the sake of change, but making the changes just doesn't occur to me very often. If somethings not broken, I don't fix it-- I don't bother trying to find the best, if what I have works. Because I hate dealing with practical or logistical issues, I wish I could just breathe air so I never had to worry about what to eat.

• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
Not sure what this means, my usual state of affairs is of searching for something to complete me

• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine
• Placid numbness can creep over them. exceptionally out of touch with feelings.
Yeah definitely!!! I am constantly like "everything's fine." I actually hate people trying to give me sympathy or ask if everything's okay. I need to just act like I'm totally unemotional, totally unaffected.

Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls
lol well that sounds drastic. I've never felt like my soul was dead-- I've always had a vibrant fantasy life and a great appreciation for things around me. I've always felt very alive and (perhaps irrationally) happy to be here and have what I have. I have a high capacity for simple pleasures.
But the thing is, I've always had a really hard time facing myself and the fact that I am a real, separate human being that other people know. I live inside my head because the real world just seems uncomfortable and difficult, especially when it has to do with my identity, my relationships. I've never wanted to work through the trickiness of the real world in terms of emotions or relationships. I steadfastedly do the work I have to do (school and career-wise) because I know I need to support myself, that's my main connection to reality. I know I have to keep my feet on the ground to survive, and I'm super responsible in doing what I have to do, but I don't like actually facing reality and seeing it for what it really is. I think because of that I seem kind of blank to other people. I don't know how to communicate who I am. I definitely don't express emotions.

...And this post will have to be continued later because I have to go to class!
 

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oh wow

Ok, so I'm just kind of reading about this to learn, and I think I understand enneagram just enough to know that I'm definitely a 9 as my core type.
That sp variant sounds sadly accurate for me though I don't know if my perception is skewed...I really tend to be like that if I'm not currently involved in stuff. I also CAN be a fairly natural leader - if no one else does it. I usually prefer not to, and so haven't had much practice. I tend to be the kind that just pushes to get stuff done and for things to be finished by deadline, taking on a lot of work if others don't get one with it on time.

9w1 also sounds amazingly accurate. Most of that really resonates with me.

Thanks for summarising all of that, it's very helpful! :)
 

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from these 9w8 and intimate 9s were so relatable, but I'm kinda wondering now whether I'm really sx/so or maybe sx/sp. Been wondering that lately in general, cuz some concepts on Sp are way more relatable than So ''part of something bigger'' thing.
 
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Didn't see myself there except for bits of 9w1. I find it odd that sp 9w1 is supposed to be all inert and lazy. I do as much work as 3-4 colleagues and generally work hard if quietly on goals I believe in, small and big.
 

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Just because she said "exhausting" that's "9ish"? Come on. Please. Like everyone's not exhausted by parenthood. :rolleyes:
Hey. I was teasing. That's why I put the smiley.


I did not mean that seriously whatsoever - but just to be fair - my 7w8 father is 71 and sleeps 4 hours a night still and has yet to be exhausted by anything. So while I agree with you that many 'types' may be exhausted by parenting, let's not generalize about "everyone" either. ;)
 

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Thanks for this. I say this should be stickied (either that, or sticky a post having all the interesting links including this one and then clean 'em up). :) I am fairly sure that my stacking is sp/so.

Strikethrough = not really; bold = yes; blue = comment

Self Preservation Nines
• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
Grateful for what they have and treasure it
Can be reliable, dependable and consistent (Yes, I am, and come across as, serious. Doesn't stop me from being silly or goofy, of course.)
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life -- a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute (Hmm? Well, I am not quite financially well-off so...)
• Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. (Like sitting in front of with my laptop on my bed and listening to music? :p) Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines. (/TertiarySi) Live a life of small horizons with few expectations
Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy (Surely I love my bed and sleeping [apparently too much by some people around me heh]...not that this is necessarily type-dependent.)
The cliché of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype. Avoid the difficult by focusing on the immediate. (Aye aye, sedentary lifestyle...and procrastination :p)
Can be extremely neglectful and messy (Yes. I was pretty absent-minded, and was notorious for losing or misplacing things. Gotten a lot better once I started living on my own.)
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor (I can be distracted rather easily. /SillyNe)
• No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time (I remember I was criticized for lacking willpower, especially by my parents. Not fully speaking to me, but I wouldn't say that this is completely unrelatable.)
Being stuck in routine, getting comfortable, and so forth....as a whole, I see myself.
Intimate Nines
Loyal in love; patient and enduring; able to stay steady in long term relationships(Yes loyal, since that's what I consider right)
• Realistically see their partners' limits but accept them
Good listeners; supportive non-judgmental friends (Yes, live and let live...as long as that doesn't result in harming other people or stuff like that, to put it loosely.)
• Often focused on an unconscious ideal of romantic union (What?)
• Nines with this subtype are sometimes mistaken for Fours because of the way they can melancholically yearn for what they don’t have (Or what I lost, e.g. here.)
• May have high expectations of romantic partners and be prone to jealousy
• Often this dynamic represents a yearning for a distant parent
• The ideal of romantic union blocks out the real relationship. It is a way of staying disengaged from your priorities, a distracting obsession
• Find their attractiveness and self-worth in how others see them
• May idealize people while deleting their flaws; could tolerate being mistreated or abused (People in general? I have both cynicism and idealism. Disillusioned idealist and all that. Anyway, cynicism is strong.)
• Can be fickle in love. After committing to a relationship they can grow critical of their partner and develop a wandering eye (Fickle in love? I wouldn't say that...)
• Indiscriminate; might have multiple serial relationships, searching from one person to the next, obsessing about whether their current partner is “the right one”
• Some Intimate Nines get involved with two partners and can’t decide between them, a pattern of triangulation (I am known to be fairly indecisive, but on a matter like this I am not because I know I shouldn't be. Emotional scars in the long run.)
• Can be romantic on the one hand, callous on the other (I can see this, though I hardly show my dreamy/idealistic side to most people around me.)
• Sometimes feel driven by lust, especially when the have an Eight wing
I think I am sx-last, but more relatable than I expected.
Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission (No, I prefer to work on my own.)
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader (I don't seek it, but I won't refuse being recognized. Just not too much. Should be warranted. Should mean it too, not empty praise/attention.)
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent (If I feel strongly torard the group, yes. Not making it bold though.)
• Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them (The believer-doubter dichotomy addressed by Jaxon-Bear. I don't get gravitated toward groups; but when I am part of it this speaks to me. Kind of there, but kind of not there.)
• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it (Hmm I don't know. But I have a bad habit of not making "yes/no" clearly while being stubborn and not doing anything. I didn't realize this until my dad (strong J) told me about this out of frustration... Passive-aggressiveness in its worst form.)
• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
• Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious (Nope. I was less aware of how I come across, so no to image-conscious.)
• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament (I admit I can act spoiled. Part of it is the fact that I grew up as the only child. The only son in a Korean family, so yeah.)
An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention (I don't show it but yep I kind of seek attention. Some. But I think this can apply to almost everyone?)
Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were (I know my family loved me; I do too. But I do relate to the second part. Not being understood and all that.)
Hmm...anyway, things I relate to 9w8. Things I don't relate and I don't have much to comment, I deleted.
Nine with an Eight Wing
• This wing brings a stronger internal sense of direction; when they decide on a path of action they may be impossible to influence (Indecisive as heck, but stubborn as heck also.)
• Good friend to others, offers a protective quality. Sympathize with underdogs (The second part, kind of. Not really of protective quality though.)
Not very visual but the connection to Three can modify this somewhat (Don't care much about my appearances, if that's what "not very visual" means.)
• May seem laconic and laid-back on the surface but that belies a deeper intensity (not really laid-back)
• Can be surprisingly tactless, rude or gauche and be oblivious to the fact (I have those moments. More often perhaps when I was younger.)
• May displace their anger; pick a fight about something peripheral -- not what’s really bothering them; sometimes behind the anger is a tearful vulnerability. (when I am stressed about things I may be prone to this, but I do not pick a fight.)
Could be amiable, kindly and supportive one minute and then blunt, opinionated or nasty the next. A Jekyll/Hyde quality (Connection to cp6, I see. Laid-back/non-judgemental at one point but opinionated on certain things. But I am sure I am more phobic than counter-phobic.)
• Prone to blame and to mishandling their anger; while not exactly vengeful they can be vindictive. An anti-authoritarian streak is also possible
Nine with a One Wing
Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies (Lol, the part I struck out sounded a bit too flattering. Sure I would like to be one.)
Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with details ("good with details" = depends...)
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech (Uh, too flattering! But if true for me it would be great.)
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness (Too flattering as well.)
Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic. (Good-natured? I wouldn't say that. I am more in touch with anxiety and irritable. I can get visibly irritated when I am marking an assignment that I deem completed in an unprofessional manner. Especially when I know he/she can do much better if he/she tries. I wrote a pretty harsh (apparently) comment a few weeks ago, and the prof I was working under told me he gets how I was getting riled up but what I wrote should be something I think inside my head without writing it down, heh.)
Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical (Mostly.)
Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated (Yes, can be.)
Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; a dubious, fractured morality (I can have my own arbitrary rules that I impose on myself. That counts I guess? Not 100% sure what the second part means, but I can see it.)
May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements (Yes and no. My view on achievements: do what I can do to the best of my abilities when opportunities present themselves, and things will follow. Imposter syndrome big time though. But if I get recognized I would feel great, for sure.)
Passive(-aggressive) tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be (?)
• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine (I had a good/stable childhood with caring parents, but I wouldn't say "everything was fine".)
• Placid numbness can creep over them. Exceptionally out of touch with feelings. Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls.
Nine’s Connection to Six
• This connection brings Nines courage. Where healthy Sixes develop the courage todo, Nines find the courage to be.
• The connection can usefully shake up a Nine’s complacency. It helps Nines challenge their fears and take risks, expose the inner self that they usually disguise and efface.
The connection to Six brings tenacity and stamina – a willingness to see things through, to work faithfully away at tasks and commitments with a committed perseverance.
Brings an idealism, sense of responsibility that stirs the Nine to action. (Responsibility? Yes.)
Realistic, more able to acknowledge what can go wrong. If Nines tend to minimize, Sixes exaggerate. Unable to ignore being upset, useful self-doubt. (I don't see myself minimizing what can go wrong, nor do I exaggerate. At least that's what I think.)
Sixish Nines can have a nervous, scatterbrained quality. They can over anticipate events, start to doubt themselves and think in anxious, obsessive loops (Yes, quite so. Sixish Nine or Nineish Six. Hmmm)
Distract themselves from seeing the obvious or taking useful action.
Can seem agitated and frightened in a beside-the-point way.
The Nine’s laziness about personal priorities is reinforced by the Six tendency to procrastinate. Sixes postpone taking any action, while Nines put off taking right action (Master procrastinator, yes.)
Sixish Nines can go in nervous busy circles. thinking about a problem or a decision extra hard while getting more and more confused and obsessive (I do this way too often, and it's frustrating -_-)
Can be risk-aversive, afraid of making mistakes that might provoke conflict. (Very much so.)
Obedient to authority and a sense of tradition (As long as it isn't too non-sensical...)
• Might hand over responsibility for decisions to others and then blame the others if the decisions don’t turn out well
Can be cowardly and may run away from conflict or be undependable under stress or duress (Yes...)
• Anti-authoritarian attitudes especially with an Eight wing
• An episodic experience of fear -- a Nine could have anxiety attacks followed by months when the Nine is not conscious of feeling fear at all (Hmm? Not relating to this much.)
I see a bit of 3 in me, but I feel the 6-9 connection is stronger in me (tendency to seek certainty, want certainty but have hard time with being 100% sure, more in touch with worry and anxiety).
Nine’s Connection to Three
• Brings Nines a kind of clarity of the heart
• They can suddenly see and prioritize on their own behalf. They take decisive deliberate steps towards personal goals. brings energy, industry, action and purpose
• This connection supports a steady persistence. Focused Nines are unstoppable
• A stepwise strategy for taking action and completing tasks in the real world
• This connection also helps Nines with appropriate social presentation. They are more willing to dress up and voluntarily play roles in the service of goals. They can also have a sense of propriety, be well-groomed and have good manners
• Healthy Threeish Nines can find freedom in role playing and the connection to Three can bring acting abilities as well as a talent for mimicry
• Distinct tendencies towards role-playing and hyperactivity as a distraction from their basic sense of non-being. A busy form of self-neglect, an active laziness
• Threeish Nines can go false and be defined by a milieu, playing roles based on the expectations of others
• May be vain, enjoy being mistaken for an image or indulge in episodic show-off behavior (I don't enjoy it, but I can be a show-off every now and then, I suppose. When I feel like showing what I know.)
• Nines can be fascinated by or obsessed with Three-like falseness in others; may want to root out fraudulence in others and tear it down (not fascinated or obsessed...but the second part, I can see it.)
• In Threeish cultures (America) or subcultures (corporations) Nines can feel extra pressure to succeed and achieve -- which they may then accommodate or sabotage
• They may be ambitious although often they are acting out someone else’s ambition. Can be chosen to fulfill the family’s unfulfilled wished and dreams. (Nowadays, when I feel I am super-passionate about my path, I wonder if this is the case. I find the stability coming from being in academia quite appealing, and it's also true my parents thought studying math is my thing and they wanted me to be one.)
• This connection supports a prince or princess-like quality and Threeish Nines can act entitled. (This is an interesting point! Though I don't quite relate to this myself.)
Can fluctuate between high and low self-esteem; underneath their image, a Nine may feel indefinite, insignificant and depressingly unworthy.
Not relating much with good presentations (well-groomed, etc), but I relate to 3 in that I am more ambitious than I let on, I want to achieve things, and I would appreciate (though not necessarily actively go after) being appreciated for what I have done. The second, third, and fourth bullet points seem to be all about being in touch with their instinctual centre, which 9 is out of touch with.
 
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I'll also go through all to see what's relatable and what's not. I'm again leaning more sx/so than sx/sp but i dont know, i dont know.

 
Nines / Fine Distinctions / Tom Condon

Self Preservation Nines
• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
• Grateful for what they have and treasure it
• Can be reliable, dependable and consistent
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life-a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute
Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
• Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines
Live a life of small horizons with few expectations
• Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy
• The cliche of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype
Avoid the difficult by focusing on the immediate
Can be extremely neglectful and messy
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor
• No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time


Intimate Nines
Loyal in love; patient and enduring; able to stay steady in long term relationships
• Realistically see their partners limits but accept them
Good listeners; supportive non-judgmental friends
Often focused on an unconscious ideal of romantic union
Nines with this subtype are sometimes mistaken for Fours because of the way they can melancholically yearn for what they don’t have
• May have high expectations of romantic partners and be prone to jealousy
Often this dynamic represents a yearning for a distant parent
The ideal of romantic union blocks out the real relationship. It is a way of staying disengaged from your priorities, a distracting obsession
Find their attractiveness and self-worth in how others see them
• May idealize people while deleting their flaws; could tolerate being mistreated or abused

• Can be fickle in love. After committing to a relationship they can grow critical of their partner and develop a wandering eye
• Indiscriminate; might have multiple serial relationships, searching from one person to the next, obsessing about whether their current partner is “the right one”
• Some Intimate Nines get involved with two partners and can’t decide between them, a pattern of triangulation
Can be romantic on the one hand, callous on the other
• Sometimes feel driven by lust, especially when the have an Eight wing


Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent
Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them
• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it
• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious
• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
• Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament
An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention
• Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were


Nine with an Eight Wing
• Healthy Nines with an Eight wing have a modest, steady, receptive quality
Charged by the dynamism of Eight; can have great energy and force of will
• Get things done, make good leaders and have a personal magnetism of which they are only partly aware
This wing brings a stronger internal sense of direction; when they decide on a path of action they may be impossible to influence
• Relatively fearless and highly intuitive; take their work seriously but not themselves
Good friend to others, offers a protective quality. Sympathize with underdogs
• Not very visual but the connection to Three can modify this somewhat
May seem laconic and laid-back on the surface but that belies a deeper intensity
Can be surprisingly tactless, rude or gauche and be oblivious to the fact
• Some Nines with an Eight wing aren’t conscious of being afraid-their connection to Six.Pave over their fears with aggression and numb callousness
• Might surround themselves with fearful people, say, a nervous dependent Six whom the Nine then rescues. Can have savior complexes
• May displace their anger; pick a fight about something peripheral-not what’s really bothering them; Sometimes behind the anger is a tearful vulnerability
Could be amiable, kindly and supportive one minute and then blunt, opinionated or nasty the next. A Jekyll/Hyde quality
Prone to blame and to mishandling their anger; while not exactly vengeful they can be
vindictive.
An anti-authoritarian streak is also possible


Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with detail
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated
Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine
• Placid numbness can creep over them. exceptionally out of touch with feelings.
Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls


Nine’s Connection to Six
• This connection brings Nines courage. Where healthy Sixes develop the courage todo, Nines find the courage to be.
• The connection can usefully shake up a Nine’s complacency. It helps Nines challenge their fears and take risks, expose the inner self that they usually disguise and efface

• The connection to Six brings tenacity and stamina – a willingness to see things through, to work faithfully away at tasks and commitments with a committed perseverance.
• Brings an idealism, sense of responsibility that stirs the Nine to action.
Realistic, more able to acknowledge what can go wrong. If Nines tend to minimize andSixes exaggerate. unable to ignore being upset, useful self- doubt
Sixish Nines can have a nervous, scatterbrained quality. They can over anticipateevents, start to doubt themselves and think in anxious, obsessive loops
• Distract themselves from seeing the obvious or taking useful action.
• Can seem agitated and frightened in a beside-the-point way
• The Nine’s laziness about personal priorities is reinforced by the Six tendency to procrastinate. Sixes postpone taking any action, while Nines put off taking right action
• Sixish Nines can go in nervous busy circles. thinking about a problem or a decision extra hard while getting more and more confused and obsessive

• Can be risk-aversive, afraid of making mistakes that might provoke conflict.
• Obedient to authority and a sense of tradition
Might hand over responsibility for decisions to others and then blame the others if the decisions don’t turn out well
• Can be cowardly and may run away from conflict or be undependable under stress or duress
• Anti-authoritarian attitudes especially with an Eight wing
• An episodic experience of fear-a Nine could have anxiety attacks followed by months
when the Nine is not conscious of feeling fear at all


Nine’s Connection to Three
• Brings Nines a kind of clarity of the heart
• They can suddenly see and prioritize on their own behalf. They take decisive deliberate steps towards personal goals. brings energy, industry, action and purpose
This connection supports a steady persistence. Focused Nines are unstoppable
• A stepwise strategy for taking action and completing tasks in the real world
This connection also helps Nines with appropriate social presentation. They are more willing to dress up and voluntarily play roles in the service of goals. They can also have a sense of propriety, be well-groomed and have good manners
Healthy Threeish Nines can find freedom in role playing and the connection to Three can bring acting abilities as well as a talent for mimicry
• Distinct tendencies towards role-playing and hyperactivity as a distraction from their basic sense of non-being. A busy form of self- neglect, an active laziness

Threeish Nines can go false and be defined by a milieu, playing roles based on the expectations of others
• May be vain, enjoy being mistaken for an image or indulge in episodic show-off behavior
Nines can be fascinated by or obsessed with Three-like falseness in others; may want to root out fraudulence in others and tear it down
• In Threeish cultures (America) or subcultures (corporations) Nines can feel extra pressure to succeed and achieve-which they may then accommodate or sabotage
• They may be ambitious although often they are acting out someone else’s ambition.Can be chosen to fulfill the family’s unfulfilled wished and dreams.
• This connection supports a prince or princess-like quality and Threeish Nines can act entitled.
Can fluctuate between high and low self-esteem; underneath their image, a Nine may
feel indefinite, insignificant and depressingly unworthy.
 

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Ah I see. I was thinking about having this subforum's stickies when I wrote that, but either way good to know.
Yeah - I think it would make sense to have all of them stickied, but I feel bad bothering the mods.. feel free to tag them if you want! :D
 

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Interesting.


Must note, I can be irritatingly opinionated and in no way do I *merge* with others and lose myself. I love boundaries and isolation. I
never ask for help. Take from that what you may, I am very old and because of that, my eneagram may have had time to change a bit.

Green means

YES. Red means No (for me).

I test as both 9 and 5.

Looks like I am a 9, going by this guy's description.

Self Preservation Nines

• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
• Grateful for what they have and treasure it
• Can be reliable, dependable and consistent
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
• Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life-a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute
• Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
• Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines
Live a life of small horizons with few expectations
• Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy
• The cliche of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype
Avoid the difficult by focusing on the immediate
• Can be extremely neglectful and messy
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor

No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time


Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to.
Good with detail (I can be but I get bored with details, prefer big picture view)
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be
compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated
• Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine (but my childhood was great)
• Placid numbness can creep over them.
exceptionally out of touch with feelings.
Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls


[HR][/HR]Self Preservation Fives
Often exceptionally knowledgeable, possibly about obscure subjects
• Use their knowledge to contribute to the world

Sensitive to being saturated, feel overwhelmed by people’s expectations
• Lose their sense of privacy more easily and can quickly feel overstimulated
• Chief defensive tendency is to physically or emotionally withdraw.
• May be more explicitly alienated than the other subtypes
• Can close themselves off, burrow into their hobbies and interests; become expert at subjects so specialized or obscure that others leave them alone
• Try to take little from people; fear what the interaction will cost them

Have a thin ectomorphic body type although they may gain weight due to a sedentary lifestyle
Especially cost conscious around money, penny-wise and pound foolish
• Think of millionaire paupers who die in hovels but have mattresses stuffed with money
 

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Nines / Fine Distinctions / Tom Condon

Self Preservation Nines
• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
• Grateful for what they have and treasure it
• Can be reliable, dependable and consistent
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
• Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life-a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute
• Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
• Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines
Live a life of small horizons with few expectations
• Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy
• The cliche of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype
Avoid the difficult by focusing on the immediate
• Can be extremely neglectful and messy
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor
• No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time


Intimate Nines
• Loyal in love; patient and enduring; able to stay steady in long term relationships
• Realistically see their partners limits but accept them
• Good listeners; supportive non-judgmental friends
• Often focused on an unconscious ideal of romantic union
• Nines with this subtype are sometimes mistaken for Fours because of the way they can melancholically yearn for what they don’t have
• May have high expectations of romantic partners and be prone to jealousy
• Often this dynamic represents a yearning for a distant parent
• The ideal of romantic union blocks out the real relationship. It is a way of staying disengaged from your priorities, a distracting obsession
• Find their attractiveness and self-worth in how others see them
• May idealize people while deleting their flaws; could tolerate being mistreated or abused
• Can be fickle in love. After committing to a relationship they can grow critical of their partner and develop a wandering eye
• Indiscriminate; might have multiple serial relationships, searching from one person to the next, obsessing about whether their current partner is “the right one”
• Some Intimate Nines get involved with two partners and can’t decide between them, a pattern of triangulation
• Can be romantic on the one hand, callous on the other
• Sometimes feel driven by lust, especially when the have an Eight wing


Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent
• Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them
• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it
• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
• Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious
• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
• Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament
• An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention
• Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were


Nine with an Eight Wing
• Healthy Nines with an Eight wing have a modest, steady, receptive quality
• Charged by the dynamism of Eight; can have great energy and force of will
• Get things done, make good leaders and have a personal magnetism of which they are only partly aware
• This wing brings a stronger internal sense of direction; when they decide on a path of action they may be impossible to influence
• Relatively fearless and highly intuitive; take their work seriously but not themselves
• Good friend to others, offers a protective quality. Sympathize with underdogs
• Not very visual but the connection to Three can modify this somewhat
• May seem laconic and laid-back on the surface but that belies a deeper intensity
• Can be surprisingly tactless, rude or gauche and be oblivious to the fact
• Some Nines with an Eight wing aren’t conscious of being afraid-their connection to Six.Pave over their fears with aggression and numb callousness
• Might surround themselves with fearful people, say, a nervous dependent Six whom the Nine then rescues. Can have savior complexes
• May displace their anger; pick a fight about something peripheral-not what’s really bothering them; Sometimes behind the anger is a tearful vulnerability
• Could be amiable, kindly and supportive one minute and then blunt, opinionated or nasty the next. A Jekyll/Hyde quality
• Prone to blame and to mishandling their anger; while not exactly vengeful they can be
vindictive. An anti-authoritarian streak is also possible


Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with detail
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated
• Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine
• Placid numbness can creep over them. exceptionally out of touch with feelings.
Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls


Nine’s Connection to Six
• This connection brings Nines courage. Where healthy Sixes develop the courage todo, Nines find the courage to be.
• The connection can usefully shake up a Nine’s complacency. It helps Nines challenge their fears and take risks, expose the inner self that they usually disguise and efface
• The connection to Six brings tenacity and stamina – a willingness to see things through, to work faithfully away at tasks and commitments with a committed perseverance.
• Brings an idealism, sense of responsibility that stirs the Nine to action.
• Realistic, more able to acknowledge what can go wrong. If Nines tend to minimize andSixes exaggerate. unable to ignore being upset, useful self- doubt
• Sixish Nines can have a nervous, scatterbrained quality. They can over anticipateevents, start to doubt themselves and think in anxious, obsessive loops
• Distract themselves from seeing the obvious or taking useful action.
• Can seem agitated and frightened in a beside-the-point way
• The Nine’s laziness about personal priorities is reinforced by the Six tendency to procrastinate. Sixes postpone taking any action, while Nines put off taking right action
• Sixish Nines can go in nervous busy circles. thinking about a problem or a decision extra hard while getting more and more confused and obsessive
• Can be risk-aversive, afraid of making mistakes that might provoke conflict.
• Obedient to authority and a sense of tradition
• Might hand over responsibility for decisions to others and then blame the others if the decisions don’t turn out well
• Can be cowardly and may run away from conflict or be undependable under stress or duress
• Anti-authoritarian attitudes especially with an Eight wing
• An episodic experience of fear-a Nine could have anxiety attacks followed by months
when the Nine is not conscious of feeling fear at all

Nine’s Connection to Three
• Brings Nines a kind of clarity of the heart
• They can suddenly see and prioritize on their own behalf. They take decisive deliberate steps towards personal goals. brings energy, industry, action and purpose
• This connection supports a steady persistence. Focused Nines are unstoppable
• A stepwise strategy for taking action and completing tasks in the real world
• This connection also helps Nines with appropriate social presentation. They are more willing to dress up and voluntarily play roles in the service of goals. They can also have a sense of propriety, be well-groomed and have good manners
• Healthy Threeish Nines can find freedom in role playing and the connection to Three can bring acting abilities as well as a talent for mimicry
• Distinct tendencies towards role-playing and hyperactivity as a distraction from their basic sense of non-being. A busy form of self- neglect, an active laziness
• Threeish Nines can go false and be defined by a milieu, playing roles based on the expectations of others
• May be vain, enjoy being mistaken for an image or indulge in episodic show-off behavior
• Nines can be fascinated by or obsessed with Three-like falseness in others; may want to root out fraudulence in others and tear it down
• In Threeish cultures (America) or subcultures (corporations) Nines can feel extra pressure to succeed and achieve-which they may then accommodate or sabotage
• They may be ambitious although often they are acting out someone else’s ambition.Can be chosen to fulfill the family’s unfulfilled wished and dreams.
• This connection supports a prince or princess-like quality and Threeish Nines can act entitled.
• Can fluctuate between high and low self-esteem; underneath their image, a Nine may
feel indefinite, insignificant and depressingly unworthy.
Self Preservation: 3/15.
Intimate: 15/15.
Social: 6/13.

This is interesting. I've been trying to figure out whether I'm a Sp, Sx, or So 9, and since it appears obvious (At least to me) that I'm most likely Sp blind, I've narrowed it down to So or Sx. This suggests moreso Sx/So than So/Sx. Although if you happen to find a free minute, if you could offer your thoughts, I'm always looking for more opinions.

9w8: 10/14.
9w1: 15/15.

Also interesting. Two years ago I didn't relate to anything about 9w8, but now it seems I'm much more balanced.

Connection to 6: 3/16.
Connection to 3: 11/14.

Perhaps I'm getting closer to integration. I wouldn't have related to many of the points about integration to 3 two years ago, but alike what I said about 9w8, things change.
 
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