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Several international studies to date have demonstrated that fluoride added to water is causing numerous health complications, including reduced IQ ratings among children. The notion that drinking fluoridated water contributes to healthier teeth has not been proven, and is slowing disintegrating into thin air. As a matter of fact, there is more evidence that fluoride is harmful rather than helpful There has been controversy over the activity of adding fluoride to municipal water supplies and elsewhere, but not enough. The seriousness of this issue is more than what most realize, which is why most developed nations refuse to fluoridate their water. Actually, Israel is the latest nation to completely halt water fluoridation, mandatory and voluntary.
Fluoridation ranks with GMO’s, chemically tainted toxic foods, and vaccinations as crimes against humanity. You’ll soon see why implementing some sort of fluoride detox protocol is so important.



What is Fluoride? How did it Get in Our Drinking Water?

What is Fluoride? How did it Get in Our Drinking Water?
There are two basic types of fluoride. Calcium Fluoride appears naturally in many underground water supplies. It is relatively benign. However, too much consumed daily can lead to bone or dental problems.

Since calcium is used to counter fluoride poisoning, perhaps this aspect of calcium fluoride neutralizes much of fluoride’s toxic effects.
On the other hand, the type of fluorides added to water supplies and other beverages, foods, toothpaste products, and pharmaceuticals are waste products of the nuclear, aluminum, and now mostly the phosphate (fertilizer) industries in Florida and China.
The EPA has classified these waste products as toxins: Fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride. I’m using the term sodium fluoride to include all three types.
Sodium fluoride is used for rat poison and pharmaceutical tranquilizers. According to a scientific study done several years ago, Comparative Toxicity of Fluorine Compounds, industrial waste sodium fluorides are 85 times more toxic than naturally occurring calcium fluoride.
Because farm animals, house pets, and crops were dying and humans becoming gravely ill from gases emitted by phosphate fertilizer plants, the EPA (when it had some teeth) forced those plants to use scrubbers or filters that removed the fluoride toxins from their smoke stack gases.
But the resulting toxic waste sludge was also banned from dumping into lots, landfills, and water streams or lakes. Containing and ridding those toxic wastes required another expense.
So the solution was to sell the governments and the public on using fluoridated water to bolster dental health. Then have municipalities pay to put it into their water supplies. That way, their toxic waste removal expense became profitable.
The Officially Ignored Health Problems Water fluoridation advocates like to point out that toxic sodium fluoride is okay when it is generously diluted. They’re of the old school perception that if you don’t drop dead or get seriously ill immediately, it’s not toxic.

But fluoride tends to accumulatein the body’s bones and teeth. Recently, it has been discovered to accumulate even more in soft tissue such as the thyroid and pineal glands.
Dental fluorosis from daily fluoridation has been documented. Yet, the American Dental Association (ADA) continues riding a dead horse, promoting water fluoridation. They refuse to admit that instead of preventing tooth decay, fluoride causes even more dental harm.
Also, independent labs and reputable researchers have linked the following health issues with daily long term intake of sodium fluoride:


  • Genetic DNA Damage

  • Thyroid Disruption – Leading to obesity, lethargy, and endocrine issues

  • Neurological DamageDiminished IQ and inability to focus, docility, and weariness.

  • Alzheimer’s Disease – When calcification occurs in the brain.

  • Melatonin Disruption - Lowers immunity to cancer, accelerates aging, increases sleep disorders.

  • Damage to Pineal Gland - Causes calcification in this gland located in the middle of the brain that governs several endocrine/hormonal functions. Some consider this gland the “third eye” or gateway to psychic powers and mystical awareness.
Conclusion: Humans and animals should not be part of the toxic waste removal system for toxic industries. If others wish to use fluoridated toothpaste or have their dentists coat their teeth with pharmaceutical grade fluoride, both of which have lethal consequences if swallowed, that’s their business.

But forced medication that’s beyond unhealthy is our business. Over 70% of American municipalities fluoridate their water supplies. Resisting and overturning this forced medication health hazard in each city or county is important.
In the meantime, protect yourself and family by filtering your water with combined carbon and reverse osmosis filtration. If it’s impractical to install a system, take advantage of those machines that utilize both systems in food stores. They’re inexpensive. Reverse osmosis does also remove some beneficial minerals. You can add them back with trace mineral solutions or sea salt.

 

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I'm against water fluoridation as well, but that's a propaganda piece full of misinformation and outright lies.

1. "There are two basic types of fluoride. Calcium Fluoride appears naturally in many underground water supplies. It is relatively benign."

In water, the fluoride compound ionizes almost completely. The sodium or calcium cation dissociates from the fluoride anion through the process of solvation/hydration, so it doesn't matter if it's calcium or sodium fluoride.

2. "The EPA has classified these waste products as toxins: Fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride. I’m using the term sodium fluoride to include all three types."

Everything that's put into drinking water is tightly regulated. If fluorosilicic acid or other fluoride sources are contaminated, we'd see these trace contaminants since water companies are required to monitor a list of 100 or so contaminants.

3. "But fluoride tends to accumulate in the body’s bones and teeth."
If it accumulates, then it doesn't matter if the fluoride comes from a natural source or a synthetic source, no?

4. They refuse to admit that instead of preventing tooth decay, fluoride causes even more dental harm.

Flat out lie. Pretty much every study I've seen shows that fluoride helps prevent cavities. Why do you think they give you those fluoride treatments at the dentist? A couple of years ago, a computer model study revealed that fluoride, because it's so tiny, is able to fit inside the matrix of the enamel and stabilize it.

5. "Also, independent labs and reputable researchers have linked the following health issues with daily long term intake of sodium fluoride:"

Where are the studies showing these deleterious effects at the concentration (~0.7 mg/L) used by water companies? See, you can pretty much cause cancer with every chemical compound if you use large doses of it, so in order for the study to be relevant, you have to use the same concentrations that people encounter in their drinking water. The studies showing low IQ involve concentrations in natural wells (in China) that are about 10 times (going by memory here) what we'd see in the US.
 

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I completely agree.
 

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3. "But fluoride tends to accumulate in the body’s bones and teeth."
If it accumulates, then it doesn't matter if the fluoride comes from a natural source or a synthetic source, no?
No need to add more of it it's already there and no need to add it in water at all if it's harmful?


Flat out lie. Pretty much every study I've seen shows that fluoride helps prevent cavities. Why do you think they give you those fluoride treatments at the dentist? A couple of years ago, a computer model study revealed that fluoride, because it's so tiny, is able to fit inside the matrix of the enamel and stabilize it.

If I am not mistaken, we have fluoride in toothpaste already. Why put more on menu?


Everything that's put into drinking water is tightly regulated. If fluorosilicic acid or other fluoride sources are contaminated, we'd see these trace contaminants since water companies are required to monitor a list of 100 or so contaminants.
Some companies put more, some less.

Where are the studies showing these deleterious effects at the concentration (~0.7 mg/L) used by water companies? See, you can pretty much cause cancer with every chemical compound if you use large doses of it, so in order for the study to be relevant, you have to use the same concentrations that people encounter in their drinking water. The studies showing low IQ involve concentrations in natural wells (in China) that are about 10 times (going by memory here) what we'd see in the US.
Dr. Joseph Mercola: Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children

Fluoride Lowers IQ in Kids, New Study Shows

"The children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ than those who lived in low fluoride areas," noted the Harvard research scientists about the results of their study, echoing claims by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that there is substantial evidence of developmental neurotoxicity associated with the chemical. “The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children’s neurodevelopment.”
 

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I suggest plenty of skepticism with respect to the Mercola study. There is a Slate.com article that runs through the most serious problems:

Does fluoride lower your child’s IQ? Dr. Joseph Mercola says yes on the Huffington Post. Don’t trust him. - Slate Magazine

The main problem is a common one: correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Regions with too much fluoride in their drinking water would tend to have a bunch of other problems related to poverty that would contribute to lower IQ.

The author Joseph Mercola is a crank entrepreneur of snake oil.

Not that the Slate.com article should be trusted. It would just be a lead to more critical investigation in the matter. Lacking that, the best shortcut to arriving at the most probable conclusion is to find the consensus of relevant experts. Sometimes the consensus is wrong, most of the time they are not. The consensus seems to be that low levels of fluoride in drinking water is harmless.
 

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No need to add more of it it's already there and no need to add it in water at all if it's harmful?
I agree. Fluoride does not need to be inside your digestive tract. It belongs on the surface of your teeth.

If I am not mistaken, we have fluoride in toothpaste already. Why put more on menu?
Because we don't want to end up with teeth like the British, lol. Fluoride in water reduces cavities by around 30% in the population, but with the advent of fluoride in products like toothpaste and mouthwash, we really should rethink this policy. This is just another instance of policy makers pandering to the least responsible among us.

The problem with the sources you reference is that they are not primary sources but rather people commenting on primary sources. By primary source, I mean an actual scientific paper.
 

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Well i'm fuckered :)

Water here has 1 milligram per litre since 2009.
Don't know much about it but Dentist I went to did talk about how they were getting death threats from people against fluoride in public's water.
 

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You said buy water which has been filtered from convenience stores or grocery stores or something? I've looked into reverse osmosis filters but they're all out of my price range, what did you mean when you said "take advantage of those machines that utilize both systems in food stores. "


 

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The problem with the sources you reference is that they are not primary sources but rather people commenting on primary sources. By primary source, I mean an actual scientific paper.
I've read the original paper. The IQ drop was associated with extremely high levels of fluoride (2-3 times the maximum safe dose, over ten times the recommended fluoridation dose). Levels like that are associated with chemical leaks and extremely high natural levels of fluoridation.
 

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Interesting.. I did not know that fluoride was naturally occurring in water. That changes my perspective..
It is in many things. I just had carrot, apple and strawberry juice. I looked it up and all three contain fluoride. It is everywhere. This is just typical uneducated conspiracy fear mongering. It's like saying aspirin should be removed from shelves because it is toxic. Yeah, if you take 100 of them. Just like fluoride at high levels can have adverse effects. Anything at high enough levels can have adverse effects. But the level of toxicity is known and kept well below those levels. The whole argument is so dishonest.
 

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I think that the moral of the story is, "You can't trust anyone !"

Well, at least if you put the information out there then people can make up their minds.
 

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Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.


Dihydrogen monoxide: is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain. contributes to the "greenhouse effect." may cause severe burns. contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape. accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals. may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes. has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream,lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global,and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO hascaused millions of dollars of property damage in the US.Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used: as an industrial solvent and coolant. in nuclear power plants. in the production of styrofoam. as a fire retardant. in many forms of cruel animal research. in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical. as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be doneto stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife isextreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution,or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economichealth of this nation." In fact, the navy and other militaryorganizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designingmulti-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations.Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through ahighly sophisticated underground distribution network.Many store large quantities for later use.The Horror Must Be Stopped!


It must be true, I found it on the internet !!

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The bottom line is you should not drink tap water, only filtered... Now, most people can not afford that, so what's the best course of action? Make up your own minds.

And if you do think that it's fine to drink tap water, well, why should we care if you choose to be sick and dumb.
 

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The bottom line is you should not drink tap water, only filtered... Now, most people can not afford that, so what's the best course of action? Make up your own minds.

And if you do think that it's fine to drink tap water, well, why should we care if you choose to be sick and dumb.
Regardless of whether you can afford filtered water, there really is no reason to waste one's money, because the science is plainly on the side of the safety of fluoridated water, unless you count crap science as science. If you do accept crap science as science, then you are liable to believe just about anything. There is a crap science to back up any conclusion that a million people accept. That is why I feel no shame in posting this video clip.

 

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Regardless of whether you can afford filtered water, there really is no reason to waste one's money, because the science is plainly on the side of the safety of fluoridated water, unless you count crap science as science. If you do accept crap science as science, then you are liable to believe just about anything. There is a crap science to back up any conclusion that a million people accept. That is why I feel no shame in posting this video clip.

Woah woah woah, let's not get hasty here Mandrake, water fluoridation is probably a Commie plot. :tongue:
 

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You can drink gasoline for all I care. Like I said, the more dumb and sick people out there, the easier it becomes for me to exploit them. And so, next time your are wondering why are you so dumb and sick, you can come back to this thread and read this:

BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE SO VERY SMART, AND TRUSTED YOURSELF TO INTERPRET THE "SCIENCE" CORRECTLY.

You see, I don't think I am smart. But I am smart enough to do my own scientific experiment on myself. And here is what I can do, I can drink tap water for a week and then drink filtered water for a week, while recording every day how I am feeling in my journal. Then, if nothing seems to be different, I can extend my experiment from a week to a month and then a year.

But here is the funny thing, I've already done that. And I know exactly how it feels to be dumb and sick like you.
 

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You can drink gasoline for all I care. Like I said, the more dumb and sick people out there, the easier it becomes for me to exploit them. And so, next time your are wondering why are you so dumb and sick, you can come back to this thread and read this:

BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE SO VERY SMART, AND TRUSTED YOURSELF TO INTERPRET THE "SCIENCE" CORRECTLY.

You see, I don't think I am smart. But I am smart enough to do my own scientific experiment on myself. And here is what I can do, I can drink tap water for a week and then drink filtered water for a week, while recording every day how I am feeling in my journal. Then, if nothing seems to be different, I can extend my experiment from a week to a month and then a year.

But here is the funny thing, I've already done that. And I know exactly how it feels to be dumb and sick like you.
I give you props for doing an experiment. If you ever do the experiment again, there is a better way to do it: blind. You have heard of "double blind experiments." You have the "double" part but not the "blind" part. It would be "blind" if you didn't know which is the filtered water and which is the tap water. You can still tell the difference by taste, presumably, so the experiment would work best on those who don't know what the experiment is about. Expectations affect the perception of symptoms in favor of the expectations. That is known as the "placebo effect."
 
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