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They make no sense, they don't fit most people and people come up with dumb reasons to type people as certain things. I.e "You have inferior Fe" or whatever. Really the 1st and 2nd function are the only ones that matter when determining type. I'm tired of this stupid crap. Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's another thing. Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it. "I must have Ne cause I always have multiple tabs open at once" stupid shit like that.
 

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I believe people should stop focusing on the middle part of functions and rather their dominant and inferior function. Basically the two functions which feel they best fit them and the function that don't best fit them. Then after finding the dominant (whether it is T/F or S/N) they should focus on what supports their dominant.

The Tertiary Function should never be used to determines one type simply because of the lack of explanation of it
 

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^ literally how my two question cognitive function test worked.
And produced 100% accurate results.
 
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I sympathize with your frustration, but I cannot believe you'd discredit the inferior. If you accept that one function is dominant, does it not logically follow that the other is inferior to it, hm?

Anyway, once you use more than one function you end up with a "stack" regardless... so the analysis of that is not entirely futile... it may just not be the stack a certain type is "supposed" to have, which is also understandable, since those are mainly theoretical models that attempt to "balance" something that is already imbalanced i.e. "type".
 

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I agree wholeheartedly.

Instead of trying to fit people in a presumed system, it would be better to build the system around data collected from the people. Or is it too much sensing for the theorists?

I mean the stacks were made even before one survey was made. And I doubt anyone ever tested them. And no ,'I tested them in my head' does not count. It is rather bizarre that they are treated as gospel.
 

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I sympathize with your frustration, but I cannot believe you'd discredit the inferior. If you accept that one function is dominant, does it not logically follow that the other is inferior to it, hm?

Anyway, once you use more than one function you end up with a "stack" regardless... so the analysis of that is not entirely futile... it may just not be the stack a certain type is "supposed" to have, which is also understandable, since those are mainly theoretical models that attempt to "balance" something that is already imbalanced i.e. "type".
That's a really good point actually. If someone relates most to Ti for example than they should logically relate to Fe absolutely last since they're the most dissimilar. Doesn't seem to be the case for many people but if there were function stacks that looked something like this Ti>Se>Te>Si>Ne>Fi>Ni>Fe it would at least make logical sense.
 

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And produced 100% accurate results.
ROFL! Citation needed.

Instead of trying to fit people in a presumed system, it would be better to build the system around data collected from the people. Or is it too much sensing for the theorists?
Isn't that precisely where the idea of inferior functions came from? A professional psychologist observing his patients over several decades? Jung said he noticed over-preference for one function, and under-preference for other functions, depending on how contrary they were to the main preference. That's where dichotomies and types originate.

if there were function stacks that looked something like this Ti>Se>Te>Si>Ne>Fi>Ni>Fe it would at least make logical sense.
The original function theory never had 8 functions. There were only four. I/E was a separate distinction.
 

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They make no sense, they don't fit most people and people come up with dumb reasons to type people as certain things. I.e "You have inferior Fe" or whatever. Really the 1st and 2nd function are the only ones that matter when determining type. I'm tired of this stupid crap. Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's another thing. Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it. "I must have Ne cause I always have multiple tabs open at once" stupid shit like that.
So I agree there is a lot of subjective, anecdotal nonsense in MBTI. I think I've seen it all at this stage. People typing everyone they don't like as sensers, and everyone they do like as intuitives. People who link 'writing a diary' to particular types. Or school performance. Or they type all CEOs as ENTJs. All scientists as intuitive. Or whatever other nonsense. After four years of being on this forum, I've lost track of just how much manure is out there.

But why are you blaming that issue on stacks specifically?
 

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They make no sense, they don't fit most people and people come up with dumb reasons to type people as certain things. I.e "You have inferior Fe" or whatever. Really the 1st and 2nd function are the only ones that matter when determining type. I'm tired of this stupid crap. Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's another thing. Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it. "I must have Ne cause I always have multiple tabs open at once" stupid shit like that.
Maybe you hate it because it nails it. Inferior Fe all over this post.
 

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They make no sense, they don't fit most people and people come up with dumb reasons to type people as certain things. I.e "You have inferior Fe" or whatever. Really the 1st and 2nd function are the only ones that matter when determining type. I'm tired of this stupid crap. Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's another thing. Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it. "I must have Ne cause I always have multiple tabs open at once" stupid shit like that.
Inferior Fe all over this post.
Would you mind explaining how his post is indicative of Inferior Fe?
 

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Would you mind explaining how his post is indicative of Inferior Fe?
Rebelling against common sense.
Can WE drop the stacks? (referring to everyone as WE)
"Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life." having a strong distrust of two people conversing and having fun
"Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it." hating that behaviour sometimes is indicative of type

What an inferior Fe really hates is that he can't calculate his own behaviour, he doesn't know how others see him and that's why he's angry at it.
It also goes against his logic.

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That's a really good point actually. If someone relates most to Ti for example than they should logically relate to Fe absolutely last since they're the most dissimilar. Doesn't seem to be the case for many people but if there were function stacks that looked something like this Ti>Se>Te>Si>Ne>Fi>Ni>Fe it would at least make logical sense.
I do relate to Ne the least.
 

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So I agree there is a lot of subjective, anecdotal nonsense in MBTI. I think I've seen it all at this stage. People typing everyone they don't like as sensers, and everyone they do like as intuitives. People who link 'writing a diary' to particular types. Or school performance. Or they type all CEOs as ENTJs. All scientists as intuitive. Or whatever other nonsense. After four years of being on this forum, I've lost track of just how much manure is out there.

But why are you blaming that issue on stacks specifically?
Because people will say things like "You can't be INTP, you must be ISTP because you have Ti and Ni, with weak Se"
 

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Rebelling against common sense.
Can WE drop the stacks? (referring to everyone as WE)
"Watch an INFP and INTJ coffee video. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life." having a strong distrust of two people conversing and having fun
"Can we stop using these stupid little observations to type people? Yes, some behaviors indicate certain functions but people seriously overthink it." hating that behaviour sometimes is indicative of type

What an inferior Fe really hates is that he can't calculate his own behaviour, he doesn't know how others see him and that's why he's angry at it.
It also goes against his logic.

etc..
What does common sense have to do with Fe? And who said I wasn't inferior in it? My function stack looks something like this Ti>Se>Ni=Si>Fe>Ne=Te>Fi. I don't hate them for having fun, I hate them cause they say stupid things that don't make any sense. I don't care how others see me, I could just ask if I really wanted anyways. My behavior I don't have a problem understanding really. My emotions (Fi) I have trouble understanding. Your argument is just one big ad hominem.
 

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You're absolutely right when you say the top two functions alone determine a person's type... so for typing, yes those two are the only relevant ones.

But really, it's interesting how the rest of the functions manifest. Even your shadow functions.
 

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Because people will say things like "You can't be INTP, you must be ISTP because you have Ti and Ni, with weak Se"
People who use the first and third function with little regard to the second function as an alibi are idiots. I have strong Fe and Se, does that suddenly make me an ENFJ when I displayed no Ni? Nope. Infact N is my lowest part in where I always score a CONSIDERABLY HIGH AMOUNT of S over N. Hell my F/T are much more balanced

I get people here typing me ENFJ because of 'HURR DURR FE-SE'. Seriously pisses me off
 

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People who use the first and third function with little regard to the second function as an alibi are idiots. I have strong Fe and Se, does that suddenly make me an ENFJ when I displayed no Ni? Nope. Infact N is my lowest part in where I always score a CONSIDERABLY HIGH AMOUNT of S over N. Hell my F/T are much more balanced

I get people here typing me ENFJ because of 'HURR DURR FE-SE'. Seriously pisses me off
Hehe when I first came to this forum people saw me as a Fe/Ne type, therefore typed either as ENTP or ESFJ. No other options available lol. All the while there has been maybe just one person on this forum who may have actually been "looping" between two extroverted functions. Nobody really does that but it adds to the hilarious misconceptions some people here have of extroverts.
 

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I believe an individual uses four functions, so a "stack", rarely touching on the realm of the other four, the often called shadow functions. So, no, I see no reason to drop stacks.

You're absolutely right when you say the top two functions alone determine a person's type... so for typing, yes those two are the only relevant ones.
The inferior function is just as relevant and ignoring the tertiary is nonsense. Of course, you are free to believe in nonsense if you want.
 
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