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I'm a 4w5 INFP and have always been interested in politics, but much more in the larger moral issues rather than the technical details like the latest proceedings in a particular investigation or the progress of a court case, etc. I don't think I am primarily a political person and hence do not see myself joining politics, but I am concerned, certainly. A handful of times I have found myself in a political meeting or protest. At the same time, I do tune out and look for a space more tranquil and dignified when the huge amount of facts becomes chaotic or when politics is reduced to petty, selfish games.

I don't read newspapers mostly, and do not watch news on TV. I believe that this boycott is the first step to understanding things properly.

To begin with, I think the single most important fact is that no kind of systemic change will resolve problems in a fundamental way. It is individuals who have to change, rather than systems. The outer problems of the world, both man made and natural disasters, are a reflection of our fragmented inner states. The only revolution that can do some good is a revolution in the hearts of people. Not a change of political party, or ideological system. Most political changes are superficial because they do not resolve our tendency to make someone into an enemy.

From this position of heart-change, I generally tend to be left-leaning, liberal, anti-war and anti-armament. I think the government of the United States is by far the worst terrorist in the world and has probably caused far more loss of life than anyone else since the end of the second world war. Capitalism dehumanises human beings in countless ways. I also think there is immense, unjustified Islamophobia in the world.

For me one of the most inspirational people is Gandhi, and I am totally with his views on nonviolent resistance, de-growth and de-industrialisation, and change through organic, grassroots movements rooted in spirituality, rather than communist type bloody revolutions or mere legislative changes which do not change people's hearts.

Colonialism is far from over, and it has deep roots in capitalist-industrial cultures and eventually if we are to be truly free we need to dismantle both. To do that we have to begin with de-colonising the mind. The oppressor is as de-humanised as the oppressed, he just doesn't know it usually.

Other than Gandhi, political thinkers who I find significant for my political self are Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, Arundhati Roy.
 

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I'm a 4w5 INFP and have always been interested in politics, but much more in the larger moral issues rather than the technical details like the latest proceedings in a particular investigation or the progress of a court case, etc. I don't think I am primarily a political person and hence do not see myself joining politics, but I am concerned, certainly. A handful of times I have found myself in a political meeting or protest. At the same time, I do tune out and look for a space more tranquil and dignified when the huge amount of facts becomes chaotic or when politics is reduced to petty, selfish games.

I don't read newspapers mostly, and do not watch news on TV. I believe that this boycott is the first step to understanding things properly.

To begin with, I think the single most important fact is that no kind of systemic change will resolve problems in a fundamental way. It is individuals who have to change, rather than systems. The outer problems of the world, both man made and natural disasters, are a reflection of our fragmented inner states. The only revolution that can do some good is a revolution in the hearts of people. Not a change of political party, or ideological system. Most political changes are superficial because they do not resolve our tendency to make someone into an enemy.

From this position of heart-change, I generally tend to be left-leaning, liberal, anti-war and anti-armament. I think the government of the United States is by far the worst terrorist in the world and has probably caused far more loss of life than anyone else since the end of the second world war. Capitalism dehumanises human beings in countless ways. I also think there is immense, unjustified Islamophobia in the world.

For me one of the most inspirational people is Gandhi, and I am totally with his views on nonviolent resistance, de-growth and de-industrialisation, and change through organic, grassroots movements rooted in spirituality, rather than communist type bloody revolutions or mere legislative changes which do not change people's hearts.

Colonialism is far from over, and it has deep roots in capitalist-industrial cultures and eventually if we are to be truly free we need to dismantle both. To do that we have to begin with de-colonising the mind. The oppressor is as de-humanised as the oppressed, he just doesn't know it usually.

Other than Gandhi, political thinkers who I find significant for my political self are Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, Arundhati Roy.
It is socialism and communism that have enslaved, killed, and imprisoned countless people, not capitalism. And islamofascism is a problem the world over. Also there's no evidence the American government has the highest body count.
 
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It is socialism and communism that have enslaved, killed, and imprisoned countless people, not capitalism. And islamofascism is a problem the world over. Also there's no evidence the American government has the highest body count.
Well, I am not sure how appropriate this forum is for such debates. I will respond anyhow. I am no fan of communism. I agree they have killed countless people. When I say I am left-leaning I only mean that the priority of the state should be the poor.

Yes, Islamic terrorism (I don't know what Islamofascism is) is a problem the world over. Islamophobia means you dislike the religion itself and all its followers, rather than making a distinction between a) the religion and its various interpretations and b) the majority of Muslims and the terrorists who are a miniscule minority. It is a bit like thinking all Americans are like George Bush. If that were the case I'd be mighty scared to be on this forum!

Body count - I don't have all the statistics but the roughly 1 million dead in Afghanistan and Iraq, a large proportion of them innocent women and children; and going back in history - the atomic bomb, the selfish interventions in the Arab and Latin American countries - these products of United States foreign policy are painful to anyone who cares for human beings.
 

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Well, I am not sure how appropriate this forum is for such debates. I will respond anyhow. I am no fan of communism. I agree they have killed countless people. When I say I am left-leaning I only mean that the priority of the state should be the poor.

Yes, Islamic terrorism (I don't know what Islamofascism is) is a problem the world over. Islamophobia means you dislike the religion itself and all its followers, rather than making a distinction between a) the religion and its various interpretations and b) the majority of Muslims and the terrorists who are a miniscule minority. It is a bit like thinking all Americans are like George Bush. If that were the case I'd be mighty scared to be on this forum!

Body count - I don't have all the statistics but the roughly 1 million dead in Afghanistan and Iraq, a large proportion of them innocent women and children; and going back in history - the atomic bomb, the selfish interventions in the Arab and Latin American countries - these products of United States foreign policy are painful to anyone who cares for human beings.
The atomic bomb had to be dropped or more people would've died by something else. And most of the Afghans and Iraqis killed were terrorists. Also George Bush screwed up because he gave left wingers what they wanted, especially during his 2nd term. One more thing, obama has done a lot more harm to America and other countries than George Bush ever could.


P.S. I don't know about the supposedly selfish interventions in Arab and Latin American countries.
 

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Well, there is information, and there is information. Of course you believe what Bush and co. want you to believe. I believe what the leftists and other dissenters want me to believe.

Even if those killed in Afpak and Iraq were mostly terrorists, which I do not think they were, what gives the US a right to go into their countries and kill them - 1 million of them?
 

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For the most part, I've always stayed out of politics. I educate myself in prep for presidential elections (well, election - I'm not that old), but other than then, I don't vote. Once, I did vote for senator, but only because my sister was working for the democratic party in our state. I was more naive then than I am now and just figured I'd agree with her. I still don't know if I would have. I guess I assumed that since I have liberal views on abortion and gay rights, I would agree more with a democratic senator than a republican one. I once registered people to vote, but it was my sister's idea and I did it so that I could go to a festival for free. =\ (Btw, watching a 22-year-old political fanatic rolling on molly, trying to convince a bunch of kids to register, is pretty entertaining...) But ANYWAY, sorry if anyone thought that made any kind of joke out of politics, it really wasn't meant to, and she was very enthusiastic sober. I know that my choosing to stay out of the political dialogue is a cop-out. I went around for so long saying that I didn't want to participate in our society because it was so screwed up, yet I never took advantage of my right to help change it on a political level. As a young person, I'm intrinsically unduly self-righteous. As a four, I'm naturally very self-absorbed. I'm really conflict-avoidant. I am working on all of these components of my person. I hope to be more involved going forward. I've spent so long staying out of political debates that unless something big happens, it rarely crosses my mind to educate myself or vote =\
 
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It is socialism and communism that have enslaved, killed, and imprisoned countless people, not capitalism. And islamofascism is a problem the world over. Also there's no evidence the American government has the highest body count.
You see past events with a very limited perspective. Leadership is always the problem, rulers (elected or not) have always been too keen to abuse their powers. If there was more oversight citizen could have in the process of decision making that would solve a big part of our problems.



In any case, I don't have a political stance in the sense that I believe fundamentals liberties shouldn't have to be "granted" in a democracy, they should be in place or else we are not talking about a government by the people and for the people. Just as some leaders are too keen to abuse powers, some citizens are too keen to renounce them for the sake of demagogues and fear mongers.

When it comes to the technical part of politics, no matter the side as long as they are competent in their craft.
 

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Well, there is information, and there is information. Of course you believe what Bush and co. want you to believe. I believe what the leftists and other dissenters want me to believe.

Even if those killed in Afpak and Iraq were mostly terrorists, which I do not think they were, what gives the US a right to go into their countries and kill them - 1 million of them?
Please try to make more sense when replying to me.
 

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Please try to make more sense when replying to me.
I know that with people who hold the views you wrote in earlier posts, you cannot debate for long. Soon they are going to de-intellectualise the discussion and try to hit below the belt by ridiculing you, or abusing you, and if you don't give up, they will ignore you as a last resort. You just took the first step. I expect the next two steps - hate speech and then silence - to come very soon.

By exhibiting a behaviour typical of those who hold the same political opinions as you, you are only proving my point further - that the problem with the world is that our hearts are hardened, that we no longer know what compassion means, and that we do not respect human beings because in our hearts we don't truly respect ourselves either.

If you don't like 1 million people in other countries, just kill them all. You assume that 1 million of them planned 9/11, so they deserve to die, that they are all Al Qaeda members and WMD equipped. You forget about evidence, debate, discussion, consensus - you just go and kill them, even if the whole world begs you to stop.

Similarly, if you don't like the guy who challenges your ideas respectfully, you try to ridicule him, that will make you feel very wise and superior.

It's really the same attitude at different degrees - "I am OK only if I show that the other is not OK and needs to be punished. Both I and the other cannot be OK."
 
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