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Hi everyone. There is nothing I want more right now than to hear another gay INFP's experience. Any of you out there? Are you struggling to hold on as much as I am? How have you managed living in the absence of love and true acceptance? Were you able to hold onto who you really are and your dreams?Or have you, like me, found yourself immobilized by fear and pain; trapped in an inner world of complete darkness, only sometimes having glimpses of light and freedom, but it never seeming achievable?
I'm 23, was raised in an unaccepting environment (including my church, school, and family), and have only now begun to realize that I need to start taking better care of myself regardless what people might think of me...I just don't know if I have anything left to give, ya know? I've created a dark fortress around my mind and heart for fear of being hurt or of failing.
...anyone who can relate?
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Hmm...not really to the dark fortress thing, although I'm not sure if I could have a relationship now, I feel rather too distant for that....the last was when I was 15, three years ago, and in the end I felt a bit sick whenever he tried to touch me, although I don't think this was because he is a boy. I'm attracted to both genders (gah! what a phrase), but I let go of the idea of 'bisexual/gay/whatever', 'girlfriend/boyfriend' a long time ago. I don't see people as so tied to gender any more...that's not to say that I at all understand transgender people, that'll take some time. I am attracted to people, that's it, let's just be a bit freer about everything. At the moment I like a boy, as in, he gives me butterflies when I see him, and it's fun flirting with him. But I'm still head over heels for the girl I met five years ago. She is an INFJ, if that counts at all!
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It's alright david, i'm sure there are people in your position. I myself have some of the same thoughts you have described with the whole dark fortress thing. However, when looking at the big picture we don't have much time to fret over the things that make us super uncomfortable, and it's something that we will constantly be working at even if we claim that we are comfortable in our own skin (I don't think anyone is ever truly comfortable in their own skin 100%). Don't worry a connection that makes you feel safe or understood isnt impossible to find and you probally came to the right place to find people who can make that connection with you!
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Hi everyone. There is nothing I want more right now than to hear another gay INFP's experience. Any of you out there? Are you struggling to hold on as much as I am? How have you managed living in the absence of love and true acceptance? Were you able to hold onto who you really are and your dreams?Or have you, like me, found yourself immobilized by fear and pain; trapped in an inner world of complete darkness, only sometimes having glimpses of light and freedom, but it never seeming achievable?
I'm 23, was raised in an unaccepting environment (including my church, school, and family), and have only now begun to realize that I need to start taking better care of myself regardless what people might think of me...I just don't know if I have anything left to give, ya know? I've created a dark fortress around my mind and heart for fear of being hurt or of failing.
...anyone who can relate?
I am not gay, but I am not %100 straight. I wanted to be a girl and all kinds of things that defied my really christian conservative upbringing. Not to mention I dont believe in god, or atleast not theirs.

I have had to hide many things and it made me feel very alone. Even if I am loved, it can't be deep rooted. They love the mask I wear. Its not me they love. It makes me sad. If I can be myself and loved, it would warm my soul. I would cry tears of happiness.

Have you thought of moving to a place more accepting? You would see a whole new world and new people. You might be able to find yourself better there. Maybe it would be a good idea to see a psychiatrist or counselor as well. I think everyone should see one. But life has many changes and your perspective on life will change. Just hold on. You will find love that will break that dark fortress.
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Thank you all very much. The thing I'm learning is that we can be our own worst enemy sometimes. It sounds like you've realized that too. I can very much relate to wanting to be loved for who I am while being surrounded by ignorant people, but I suspect more and more that I will be happiest when I can love myself in that regard. Although, I've definitely been thinking about moving to have more room to be myself. Thanks for the encouragement. Big hug...

Also, I think it's been very helpful knowing that I'm an INFP. I can see were my tendency to turn emotions inward and upon myself has been overwhelming to the point where I just stop wanting to feel or do anything. Perhaps, I need to develope my T side a bit more...maybe J also. As INFPs, don't we also long for acceptance, true and meaningful acceptance. It's been difficult not having that. And in terms of religion, have any of you felt abandoned by God? Perhaps, you felt he wasn't there for you when you needed him most. Have you reconciled with that?
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Sweetie.. I know exactly how you feel x.x Being ostracized, places that should feel safe just feel scary and full of pressure, you want to run but have no idea where to run to. It can be awful..
I kind of satiated my need to escape that cruel world with alcohol and adventures with a bunch of crazy friends for a year or so. A lot of soul searching went on, I had many unrequited loves, I went to some dark places in my mind and heart and experienced emotional pain that I literally thought could kill me. Things can be complicated for LGBTQ folk... but, the good news is we're usually here for eachother ^_^ even if you can't find anyone like you nearby who can comfort you, you can at least find an empathetic gay soul online ;P
I would absolutely LOVE to fall in love~! But, in this small town area, literally, just a bunch of towns in this county that are really small, fairly closed minded, and pretty devoid of lesbians, so much so that I've started just referring to them as Unicorns. So, I had to get over it, ya know? I've been single for over 2 years now. I've only ever really dated 1 girl. The other girl doesn't really count for me because... she kind of caught me at a really vulnerable time when I was rebounding and learning to live life sober. She was the only other lesbian I'd ever really known, I figured I'd never have another chance.
But you know.. Life may be short, but it can be kind of long in some ways too; these 2 years have been great character development and I know this love-life drought can't last forever~! I'll find a lovely lady who will sweep me off my feet one day, I'm sure of it ^_^
Until then, I'm pretty damn happy all by myself. I can read, paint, and do whatever I want whenever I want, I only have to worry about my own time management, self improvement. All I have to do is enjoy my own company lol. Once you learn to truly love yourself, things get so much better, the sky looks so much prettier, everything looks like it's dancing when the breeze blows by, and the sounds of life start to sound like a song.
You'll be out of that dark place one day, I assure you. Just be proud of who you are, gay and all :)
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Thank you all very much. The thing I'm learning is that we can be our own worst enemy sometimes. It sounds like you've realized that too. I can very much relate to wanting to be loved for who I am while being surrounded by ignorant people, but I suspect more and more that I will be happiest when I can love myself in that regard. Although, I've definitely been thinking about moving to have more room to be myself. Thanks for the encouragement. Big hug...

Also, I think it's been very helpful knowing that I'm an INFP. I can see were my tendency to turn emotions inward and upon myself has been overwhelming to the point where I just stop wanting to feel or do anything. Perhaps, I need to develope my T side a bit more...maybe J also. As INFPs, don't we also long for acceptance, true and meaningful acceptance. It's been difficult not having that. And in terms of religion, have any of you felt abandoned by God? Perhaps, you felt he wasn't there for you when you needed him most. Have you reconciled with that?
lol yes, I have felt abandoned by God. Gay, ghetto raised, disowned, abused, trapped with no hope for future in sight; that was my past. I gave up on God. That's okay though! ^_^ Buddha says that pain is like a poison arrow, we all have one stuck deep in us, looking for god, hoping it will be removed but the poison just keeps spreading and the arrow doesn't go away that way: we need to remove the arrow by ourselves, we have the ability to do so. Buddha says take care of the arrow and THEN you can think about God if you really want to.
I ended up finding "God" on my own, sort of accidentally. It's more of an experience that can't be sought, can't be thought, can't really be felt... but.. you just.. when you "feel" the presence, you just know. It's hard to explain.
Look into Animism, the belief that everything has a soul. Every rock, penny, plant, animal, person, or spoon. It doesn't matter what it is. This belief led me to respect everything in life very much. Respect is like gratitude, gratitude helps us to open our hearts to the possibility of love and self love. :) hope that helps.
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Thank you all very much. The thing I'm learning is that we can be our own worst enemy sometimes. It sounds like you've realized that too. I can very much relate to wanting to be loved for who I am while being surrounded by ignorant people, but I suspect more and more that I will be happiest when I can love myself in that regard. Although, I've definitely been thinking about moving to have more room to be myself. Thanks for the encouragement. Big hug...

Also, I think it's been very helpful knowing that I'm an INFP. I can see were my tendency to turn emotions inward and upon myself has been overwhelming to the point where I just stop wanting to feel or do anything. Perhaps, I need to develope my T side a bit more...maybe J also. As INFPs, don't we also long for acceptance, true and meaningful acceptance. It's been difficult not having that. And in terms of religion, have any of you felt abandoned by God? Perhaps, you felt he wasn't there for you when you needed him most. Have you reconciled with that?
I think that uour worst enemy is ourselves really rings true within an INFP, simply because we are in our heads so much, so we have more opportunities to think about the negative aspects within our lives. That being said it just leaves us more room to conjure up ways to fix them.

As for your question about God, there are times when I do believe that he is there, but he is just busy helping the rest of the world. So unless i'm literally disabled for one reason or another I shouldn't ask for help, and attempt to solve the problem on my own. However, there are just some things that I feel that God overlooks when I do ask for help, like when trying to talk to people I always ask and tell myself that I have the ability to keep a conversation going. In the middle of conversations i'll be praying in the back of my mind for some help in striking that connection that will keep the conversation afloat, but I find that in that aspect God has better things to do at the time, than to guide me through a convo. This also applies when it comes to love, I just can't seem to find someone worth going for (least in SoCal, i'm not a fan of pot or drinking and I guess that's an automatic turn off for 70% or more of SoCal guys). Even if I do find one it's difficult to muster up the courage to tell them, and even if I do I usually get shot down for one reason or another.

Dispite all of that I still believe God is out there, it's just he needs to help the 100 million other people that in need of his graces more than me, and I accept that. As for developing your T and J sides, just keep in mind even if you develop those aspects of yourself, you are still you. Even through the hardships you go through I don't think God or the Universe or even Life in general will forsake you completely, otherwise i'm sure Earth wouldn't be suffering from an over population problem
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Hi everyone. There is nothing I want more right now than to hear another gay INFP's experience. Any of you out there? Are you struggling to hold on as much as I am? How have you managed living in the absence of love and true acceptance? Were you able to hold onto who you really are and your dreams?Or have you, like me, found yourself immobilized by fear and pain; trapped in an inner world of complete darkness, only sometimes having glimpses of light and freedom, but it never seeming achievable?
I'm 23, was raised in an unaccepting environment (including my church, school, and family), and have only now begun to realize that I need to start taking better care of myself regardless what people might think of me...I just don't know if I have anything left to give, ya know? I've created a dark fortress around my mind and heart for fear of being hurt or of failing.
...anyone who can relate?
Me! I am gay and an INFP and also 23! I can safely say I can imagine what you must be going through. In my teens, I was in a very dark place and felt bereft of god too. I was a roman catholic and felt as though I was an abomination to god. I realised that they were wrong and full of stupid prejudice. It wasn't me that was the problem but the society around me. There are other people, institutions and societies that will accept you for who you are. My advice to you is to go and find people who will support and appreciate you. Once you fully accept yourself and you are in a better atmosphere you will become happier. Life really does become better then! Right now you are probably feeling that everything is hopeless but it isn't! My family now love and accept me, I have great friends, live in a progressive city and I am engaged to the love of my life.
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Sweetie.. I know exactly how you feel x.x Being ostracized, places that should feel safe just feel scary and full of pressure, you want to run but have no idea where to run to. It can be awful..
I kind of satiated my need to escape that cruel world with alcohol and adventures with a bunch of crazy friends for a year or so. A lot of soul searching went on, I had many unrequited loves, I went to some dark places in my mind and heart and experienced emotional pain that I literally thought could kill me. Things can be complicated for LGBTQ folk... but, the good news is we're usually here for eachother ^_^ even if you can't find anyone like you nearby who can comfort you, you can at least find an empathetic gay soul online ;P
I would absolutely LOVE to fall in love~! But, in this small town area, literally, just a bunch of towns in this county that are really small, fairly closed minded, and pretty devoid of lesbians, so much so that I've started just referring to them as Unicorns. So, I had to get over it, ya know? I've been single for over 2 years now. I've only ever really dated 1 girl. The other girl doesn't really count for me because... she kind of caught me at a really vulnerable time when I was rebounding and learning to live life sober. She was the only other lesbian I'd ever really known, I figured I'd never have another chance.
But you know.. Life may be short, but it can be kind of long in some ways too; these 2 years have been great character development and I know this love-life drought can't last forever~! I'll find a lovely lady who will sweep me off my feet one day, I'm sure of it ^_^
Until then, I'm pretty damn happy all by myself. I can read, paint, and do whatever I want whenever I want, I only have to worry about my own time management, self improvement. All I have to do is enjoy my own company lol. Once you learn to truly love yourself, things get so much better, the sky looks so much prettier, everything looks like it's dancing when the breeze blows by, and the sounds of life start to sound like a song.
You'll be out of that dark place one day, I assure you. Just be proud of who you are, gay and all :)
I'm looking forward to falling in love someday too, especially since I spent so long believing it would never be possible. What's interesting is when I finally allowed myself to believe it may happen some day, I began placing all my hope for happiness into that rather than truely being at peace with myself, like you've described so beautifully. I hope you meet the right Unicorn someday too...
I think that uour worst enemy is ourselves really rings true within an INFP, simply because we are in our heads so much, so we have more opportunities to think about the negative aspects within our lives. That being said it just leaves us more room to conjure up ways to fix them.

As for your question about God, there are times when I do believe that he is there, but he is just busy helping the rest of the world. So unless i'm literally disabled for one reason or another I shouldn't ask for help, and attempt to solve the problem on my own. However, there are just some things that I feel that God overlooks when I do ask for help, like when trying to talk to people I always ask and tell myself that I have the ability to keep a conversation going. In the middle of conversations i'll be praying in the back of my mind for some help in striking that connection that will keep the conversation afloat, but I find that in that aspect God has better things to do at the time, than to guide me through a convo. This also applies when it comes to love, I just can't seem to find someone worth going for (least in SoCal, i'm not a fan of pot or drinking and I guess that's an automatic turn off for 70% or more of SoCal guys). Even if I do find one it's difficult to muster up the courage to tell them, and even if I do I usually get shot down for one reason or another.

Dispite all of that I still believe God is out there, it's just he needs to help the 100 million other people that in need of his graces more than me, and I accept that. As for developing your T and J sides, just keep in mind even if you develop those aspects of yourself, you are still you. Even through the hardships you go through I don't think God or the Universe or even Life in general will forsake you completely, otherwise i'm sure Earth wouldn't be suffering from an over population problem
Doesn't it ring true? Knowing that I'm an INFP, I can more easily understand the journey that has led to this point....the choices I made and the ways I delt with things in my given circumstance. I wonder, like you said, if being an INFP is not also a gift for someone in this position since we can "conjure up" better solutions instead of beating ourselves up. Perhaps, I'm just in a rut of conjuring up negative things...this is so helpful to think about.

As far as God goes, I will admit I still long to feel connected to a "greater good" even though I've been made to feel weary of anyone proclaiming certainties that no man could know. For now, I'm working on being at peace in the midst of uncertainty and knowing that if God really exists and is a loving God than He/She is with me even in the midst of uncertainty...In fact, I don't want to believe in a God who couldn't accept an honest response like this...
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Me! I am gay and an INFP and also 23! I can safely say I can imagine what you must be going through. In my teens, I was in a very dark place and felt bereft of god too. I was a roman catholic and felt as though I was an abomination to god. I realised that they were wrong and full of stupid prejudice. It wasn't me that was the problem but the society around me. There are other people, institutions and societies that will accept you for who you are. My advice to you is to go and find people who will support and appreciate you. Once you fully accept yourself and you are in a better atmosphere you will become happier. Life really does become better then! Right now you are probably feeling that everything is hopeless but it isn't! My family now love and accept me, I have great friends, live in a progressive city and I am engaged to the love of my life.
Yes! I'm so glad to see this. I'm happy for you and hopeful for me. Thank you, and everyone else, for what you've shared so far. I'm thinking that there may even be other people reading this thread and gaining hope from it just from you sharing your stories and advice. If there are other like this or if you want to share some insight (or both), don't be shy...
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Your post sounds a lot like something I would have written, say, 5 years ago. I'm 21 now, in a happier state of mind, much more accepting of myself than I had ever been my whole life. I think that was the first hurdle I had to overcome, accepting who I really am, remaining true to that and not letting other irrelevant people's opinions get to me. So go you!! For realizing that yes, you NEED to take care of yourself. Please don't ever deny yourself because in the end, you'll only have yourself to blame for that. Being true to yourself will also attract the right people in your life. People who will love and accept you for who you are. It hasn't always been easy of course but I'm very blessed to have my immediate family's support. I grew up in somewhat conservative and traditional institutions so I used to think I was just going through a phase lol except it never went away so o'kay, gotcha, I'm gay alright. ;)

I don't subscribe to the idea that there's an "intrinsic disorder" in homosexuals or LGBT people for the matter so no, I've never felt that God has abandoned me. In fact, being true to who I am has only made my faith so much stronger. The history of it is kind of fuzzy. I don't even remember trying to find Him, He was just always there so I guess you could say He found me first lol which sort of makes sense spiritually speaking if you get what I mean. Anyway, it pisses me how my mind has been conditioned to think that my sexuality is something I can "fix" over time through prayer or whatever. It's ridiculous too how they can narrow everything down to "choice" like they can deprive me of what makes life beautiful in the first place. It's sickening and I. am. ranting. Sorry!

As for being a gay INFP though, I think it fits. I love the idea of love way too much and I do see past gender/race. We are all just human after all, wanting the same things such as love, intimacy, security etc. I can understand too if there are people who just simply cannot reach certain perspectives but really, is respect so far out of reach? I just try not take offense in ignorance anymore because boy, do we know that the world is full of that magic kool-aid.

I know a virtual promise won't account for much but I promise you that beyond that fortress you built is something so very wonderful and beautiful that it IS worth getting hurt for. I don't date much and I've had two serious relationships end already (both which I pursued, an ESFP and an INTJ respectively) but hey, I'm still here, scratches and stitches. We're both still very young OP, so I can only imagine the kind of adventure that's in store for us :)
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Hi everyone. There is nothing I want more right now than to hear another gay INFP's experience. Any of you out there? Are you struggling to hold on as much as I am? How have you managed living in the absence of love and true acceptance? Were you able to hold onto who you really are and your dreams?Or have you, like me, found yourself immobilized by fear and pain; trapped in an inner world of complete darkness, only sometimes having glimpses of light and freedom, but it never seeming achievable?
I'm 23, was raised in an unaccepting environment (including my church, school, and family), and have only now begun to realize that I need to start taking better care of myself regardless what people might think of me...I just don't know if I have anything left to give, ya know? I've created a dark fortress around my mind and heart for fear of being hurt or of failing.
...anyone who can relate?
Hey David, hold on man. It will get better. It takes time. I guess I get to be the resident expert on this topic--certainly in terms of years. INFP forever. Gay forever. 60 years old. The feelings you are talking about are still as raw for me today as they were when I was 15--I have just learned to cope and make a happy life for myself. It took closing the door and walking away from all the people that were dragging me down. In another post on a way different topic, another member said:
Don't give valuable time to people who don't care if you live or die.
I have posted that next to my computer so that I never forget it. It is at the heart of feeling better.
You haven't already, go check out the itgetsbetterproject.org Just go wallow in some of this great support for a while and feel free.
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One of the best things that a good friend told me when I was always down in the slumps was

"NO! NO SAD FACE, you can always make things better just smile!"

It does apply, trick your mind into being a bit happier it will give you more time to collect your thoughts and see a brighter side to life.
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Hi David A. I guess we've all been there, maybe not as extreme as your situation, but still in that position where we felt we'll never find happiness and the future looks pretty grim. FWIW, if you can't leave for another place. learn to ignore those homophobes around you. Don't try to explain or excuse, they'll never understand. Make online friends, but also remember that people on the Net are seldom what they appear to be. IRL, be careful of who you give your heart to - people can be amazingly horrible. On the good side, there are some wonderful people out there. And also here on the INFP forum. You got friends here. :happy:
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Your post sounds a lot like something I would have written, say, 5 years ago. I'm 21 now, in a happier state of mind, much more accepting of myself than I had ever been my whole life. I think that was the first hurdle I had to overcome, accepting who I really am, remaining true to that and not letting other irrelevant people's opinions get to me. So go you!! For realizing that yes, you NEED to take care of yourself. Please don't ever deny yourself because in the end, you'll only have yourself to blame for that. Being true to yourself will also attract the right people in your life. People who will love and accept you for who you are. It hasn't always been easy of course but I'm very blessed to have my immediate family's support. I grew up in somewhat conservative and traditional institutions so I used to think I was just going through a phase lol except it never went away so o'kay, gotcha, I'm gay alright. ;)

I don't subscribe to the idea that there's an "intrinsic disorder" in homosexuals or LGBT people for the matter so no, I've never felt that God has abandoned me. In fact, being true to who I am has only made my faith so much stronger. The history of it is kind of fuzzy. I don't even remember trying to find Him, He was just always there so I guess you could say He found me first lol which sort of makes sense spiritually speaking if you get what I mean. Anyway, it pisses me how my mind has been conditioned to think that my sexuality is something I can "fix" over time through prayer or whatever. It's ridiculous too how they can narrow everything down to "choice" like they can deprive me of what makes life beautiful in the first place. It's sickening and I. am. ranting. Sorry!

As for being a gay INFP though, I think it fits. I love the idea of love way too much and I do see past gender/race. We are all just human after all, wanting the same things such as love, intimacy, security etc. I can understand too if there are people who just simply cannot reach certain perspectives but really, is respect so far out of reach? I just try not take offense in ignorance anymore because boy, do we know that the world is full of that magic kool-aid.

I know a virtual promise won't account for much but I promise you that beyond that fortress you built is something so very wonderful and beautiful that it IS worth getting hurt for. I don't date much and I've had two serious relationships end already (both which I pursued, an ESFP and an INTJ respectively) but hey, I'm still here, scratches and stitches. We're both still very young OP, so I can only imagine the kind of adventure that's in store for us :)
Actually, that promise helps me more than you know, thank you. I too hate the way I've been conditioned to veiw the world, like a series of right and wrong choices, all black and white, good or bad, with no room to grow or be myself...I hate it. Your promise helps because I've begun to open my eyes to the possibility of finding inner peace and happiness someday, in spite of how suffocating it feels at times. Thank you.
Hey David, hold on man. It will get better. It takes time. I guess I get to be the resident expert on this topic--certainly in terms of years. INFP forever. Gay forever. 60 years old. The feelings you are talking about are still as raw for me today as they were when I was 15--I have just learned to cope and make a happy life for myself. It took closing the door and walking away from all the people that were dragging me down. In another post on a way different topic, another member said:
Don't give valuable time to people who don't care if you live or die.
I have posted that next to my computer so that I never forget it. It is at the heart of feeling better.
You haven't already, go check out the itgetsbetterproject.org Just go wallow in some of this great support for a while and feel free.
I'm holding on, and I'm doing a better job of it than just ayear ago when I wasn't even completely out to myself. I'm not sure why it seemsto have taken me so long to get the point of being honest with myself but Ithink it has a lot to do with fear of disappointing people in my life...peoplewho really do care about me but just don't understand me at all. I even wonderif it wouldn't be easier if these people were not in my life or were morehateful so I don't have to feel sad or a sense of loss about not feeling trulyaccepted by them...I don't know. Having to let that go is something I stillneed to do. My focus needs to turn from that towards making a better life for myself like you have done. It feel a little strange and scary to put myself first but I think enough time has been wasted wanting to get everyone in my life on the same page as me or attempting to force myself into their mold. I've fed enough of my life and energy into that monster, I think.
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One of the best things that a good friend told me when I was always down in the slumps was

"NO! NO SAD FACE, you can always make things better just smile!"

It does apply, trick your mind into being a bit happier it will give you more time to collect your thoughts and see a brighter side to life.
Thanks. You're sweet. I will try that....=)
Hi David A. I guess we've all been there, maybe not as extreme as your situation, but still in that position where we felt we'll never find happiness and the future looks pretty grim. FWIW, if you can't leave for another place. learn to ignore those homophobes around you. Don't try to explain or excuse, they'll never understand. Make online friends, but also remember that people on the Net are seldom what they appear to be. IRL, be careful of who you give your heart to - people can be amazingly horrible. On the good side, there are some wonderful people out there. And also here on the INFP forum. You got friends here. :happy:
Thanks. If it's alright with you, I'd like to call you and everyone here my new friends, lol. I'm so glad to have met you all=).
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