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These items apply to ENTJ bosses of either sex, but I'm going to use he/his/him etc. in the writing, to prevent cluttering the thing up with tons of him/her, his/hers, he/she, etc. It should also work reasonably well with ESTJ bosses.

1) Do your job. Get stuff done, and done right.

2) Be at least reasonably well-organized, such that you can remember important dates, meeting times, the location of any equipment you are responsible for, etc.

3) ENTJs generally don't mind arguing, provided it doesn't negatively impact the end goal, and provided it is not over stupid stuff. (Hint - If you start to argue and he looks bored or irritated rather than enthusiastic or interested in what you have to say, he probably considers it to be stupid stuff.)

4) Be respectful and mind your own business re: his personal life. Unless he specifically tells you a particular fact about his personal life, keep your nose out of that particular personal topic. Also, try your best to refrain from offering inane, "But that's not what everyone else would want or do!" sorts of commentary upon his personal life. You're not there to give empty-headed critiques of the curtains he's hung in his kitchen at home, his sleeping habits, his love life, or otherwise judge him on matters which are irrelevant to the workplace and are none of your business in the first place. It's invasive, presumptuous, and frankly, it makes you look like a vacuous, bubble-headed idiot who ought to have your mouth taped shut for everyone's sake, including your own.

5) If you truly don't understand what he's telling you to do, ask him to explain. Don't blunder on through because you think he'll bite your head off for asking questions, and screw everything up as a result. This will piss him off fifty times more than a "stupid question" ever will.

6) Time is important. Don't waste time, and keep the waltzing in late, sneaking out early, etc. to a minimum.

7) If he wants to talk or otherwise shoot the bull, then shoot the bull.

8) Be attentive to little ways you could make his job easier.

9) If he asks you to do something, do it promptly and without whining about it.

10) If he asks you to do something that is beyond your capability, tell him so. Don't remain silent, then try to blunder on through anyway and end up hurting yourself or halfassing the job.

11) If a project is going to be late, inform him of this when the fact first comes to your attention. Do not wait until the day it is supposed to be finished, and then tell him. The former will be forgiven, provided it was due to circumstances beyond your control, and provided you are ordinarily diligent in your work. The latter will piss him off.

12) If you encounter a problem you cannot solve, inform him when the problem is still small. Do not wait until it's turned into some godalmighty hellstorm of error before you say anything. If he finds out you knew about it back when it was a minor issue but said nothing, he will be pissed off.

13) If someone is giving you trouble such that it is making executing the tasks he's assigned you unnecessarily difficult, inform him of this. Once he is finished with them, they will usually be quite helpful in the future. ;)

14) Don't hinder other people who are trying to do tasks he's assigned them. They will not appreciate it, and neither will he.

15) Be ready to offer a brief oral status report on your assigned tasks at any time.

16) Don't go on and on about celebrity gossip, reality television, or other topics which Thinking types (particularly NTs) generally find dull and boring, unless he's already expressed an interest in same.

17) If he tells you something in confidence, honor that trust by keeping your mouth shut. If he's been burned by this in the past, he might even test you by initially telling you something which is harmless but that he's not told anyone else, and waiting to see if it shows up in the office rumor mill.

18) Unless your workplace is in fact the production set of Days of Our Lives (or a similar show), it is probably not in your job description to create drama. Don't.

19) Do what you said you were going to do. Save your repertoire of crappy excuses for worming your way out of your Aunt Beatrice's dinner party, lol. Don't use them on him.

20) Don't expect him to be a magic mind reader. If something's truly bothering you, catch him in private and tell him so. Don't call him out in front of God and everybody -- nobody likes that, and ENTJs are no exception.

21) If he's even vaguely healthy, he won't expect you to be a magic mind reader, either. He won't cloak his expectations in seemingly irrelevant commentary about the weather outside, or in double/triple entendres, etc. and then lash out at you in various passive-aggressive ways for not understanding what he meant. Instead of putting you through this hell, he will be clear, like a good boss should be. (What I'm trying to get at here is this -- think of him being direct as a good thing, not a bad thing. Imagine how horrible things would be if he wasn't.)

22) If he's incapable of/not comfortable with being super touchy-feely, don't try to force it. Attempting to force it will eventually get emotion out of him, sure, but unless the emotion you were hoping he'd display is frustration, you'll likely not get the emotion you were looking for.

23) If you're worried that he's somehow pissed at you or disappointed with you from how he's behaving, but can truly think of nothing you've done that would have pissed him off or disappointed him, then ask. Don't drive yourself bananas worrying over what could potentially be nothing. (Luckily for you it probably is nothing, though. Unlike some other types, ENTJs tend to be direct about it when they're pissed off or disappointed. If he was, he'd have probably already said something. Reference #21.)

24) When circumstances present you with a choice between taking responsibility for your behavior and trying to weasel out of it with double-talking jive, pick the former. He will view the latter with contempt, and rightly so.

25) (Especially for SLOEI ENTJs) If something negative just happened that had nothing to do with you and his mood took a sudden dive in response, don't assume that it has something to do with you. That is, don't start being defensive, or acting like you're spoiling for a fight, or just generally being a pain in his ass. I know it's hard for some people to believe, but everything is not all about you. (This is common sense, or should be. Then again, it's also common sense to know that if he's already irritated, pushing his buttons or otherwise acting like an idiot is an excellent way to shift part of his irritation from the original problem ONTO yourself, even if he wasn't originally irritated with you.)

26) However hard he might push you, it is a virtual certainty that he pushes himself even harder. If you find yourself tempted to badmouth him behind his back about what a slavedriver he is, remember all the times the dark circles under his eyes have persisted for weeks on end, all the times he was still working when you left in late afternoon and was already there and busy when you came into work the next morning, etc. I don't know if it's any consolation to you, but he really doesn't ask anything of you that he doesn't demand twice as much of from himself.

27) He has a wide sentimental streak in his nature, but probably considers it to be both embarrassing and a weakness. If he reveals this streak you, it is a sign that you have gained at least some measure of his trust. However clumsily he might put it, and however oddly out of character his words seem, do not make stupid remarks, dismiss the importance of whatever it is, or otherwise act like an ass. An oddly wistful ENTJ is still an ENTJ, and he will not appreciate it.

28) Don't tell him to calm down. Either you are mistaking his fervor for anger, or he is genuinely angry. If it is the former, he will be both confused and somewhat irritated at having been misunderstood. If it is the latter, telling him to calm down is counterproductive, as it will make him even more frustrated.

29) The ENTJ sense of humor is somewhat idiosyncratic. Be prepared for that. Don't feel obliged to fake-laugh, either. A fake laugh is generally obvious for what it is.

30) If he gets so frustrated that he starts ranting, listen. The wave will likely pass soon. If you can get him laughing, not only will it cut short the rant and put him back in problem solving mode, but he will appreciate it. (This is, however, a complex maneuver and if you don't want to try it, I really can't blame you.) Overall, xNFP, ENTP, and other ENTJs seem to be the best at doing this, although I have met some ESTJs who can do it, as well.

31) When in doubt, be Joe Friday from Dragnet. (Just the facts.) Give his Te something to work with.

32) If you want his full and undivided attention, phrase the point you're wanting to make in terms of how it will increase profits, decrease overhead, or otherwise improve the bottom line. Even "feely" issue (like morale) can be phrased in this way.


33) If you have one big thing to report in a written or electronic format, give him your analysis of events/the "take home message"/the TLDR version at the top, then go into details, and finally, append any supporting documents. This way, he won't have to sort through tons of stuff to get to the main thrust of your report, but can peruse the rest easily if needed.
 

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I'll add m 2cs. add a s/he to he's and hers to his
 
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I'll add m 2cs. add a s/he to he's and hers to his
I originally tried to write it with the him/her, his/hers, etc. but it became so unwieldy that I finally just settled for male pronouns and a disclaimer that it could apply to female ENTJs as well.
 

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One piece of advice, if they look pissed off try to avoid them unless you know how to defuse them otherwise they might take their anger out on you!

Otherwise that's a lot of rules there. I find that just being myself is the easiest way to get along with an ENTJ direct report because I understand them from a Te and Fi standpoint.
 

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One piece of advice, if they look pissed off try to avoid them unless you know how to defuse them otherwise they might take their anger out on you!

Otherwise that's a lot of rules there. I find that just being myself is the easiest way to get along with an ENTJ direct report because I understand them from a Te and Fi standpoint.
^^ This being one of the reasons why I like ENFPs.

I wish everyone instinctively understood these things, but a significant percentage of the population does not. :frustrating:
 

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ABC. Easy as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33
 

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I'm curious: who did you have in mind when you wrote this? What spurred you to come up with this?

27. My sentimental streak is quite strong and quite resilient. My parents are both Ti and Fe users, so that was frustrating to say the least. My sister has Te and Fi, but is also a senser... my parents are sensors as well. Needless to say, I'm kinda in love with NFPs.
29. My humor has always been bizarre. My sister always laughed but I think it was because she was my little sister. I also thought that I just wasn't "funny" to other people, only in my own mind.
33. I agree that TLDR should be first, or at least a person should organize a large amount of thought using some sort of numbering system. I like systems so much that I once said "Number A."
 

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I TRULY enjoyed this Elistra. Thank you. Essentially "T-porn" for people like me.

I am an ENTJ boss. An executive. I take slight issue with #31. I do get what you're saying and agree. If something can effectively be conveyed in 30 seconds do NOT take 5 minutes....patience is low for such things. However, often we want not just facts but IDEAS and solutions with some reasoning behind it.... never say when pushed to defend your idea, "I just *feel* this would be good". Of course, as we know, all ENTJ's are not the same. Some "lead" with Extroverted Intuition, and others "lead" with Extroverted Thinking. The former are "lost in space" types and prefer to heavily delegate enjoying the organization's operations under their "mentorship". The latter tends to be quieter, more focused, better at executing, and less likely to delegate.

Regardless, virtually all ENTJ's thrive on successfully defended ideas. Do not be afraid to argue with the ENTJ boss, we often like it; again, assuming the argument is well made and without much drama. A healthy ENTJ boss is a wonderful thing. Hitch yourself to their star and their focus and sense of strategic purpose will take you along for the ride and help anyone spread their wings.
 
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I'm curious: who did you have in mind when you wrote this? What spurred you to come up with this?

27. My sentimental streak is quite strong and quite resilient. My parents are both Ti and Fe users, so that was frustrating to say the least. My sister has Te and Fi, but is also a senser... my parents are sensors as well. Needless to say, I'm kinda in love with NFPs.
29. My humor has always been bizarre. My sister always laughed but I think it was because she was my little sister. I also thought that I just wasn't "funny" to other people, only in my own mind.
33. I agree that TLDR should be first, or at least a person should organize a large amount of thought using some sort of numbering system. I like systems so much that I once said "Number A."
I've seen too many posts (on PerC and elsewhere) whose format boils down to this:

1) Poster states they have a boss of a given MBTI type, and that they are having troubles with said boss.

2) Poster gives a long, winding story about the poster's work interactions with their boss, meant to demonstrate the sorts of troubles they're having.

3) Poster expresses absolute confusion as to what they're doing wrong.

4) Poster then asks what they're doing wrong, how they could get along with the boss better, if this is a lost cause and they should just quit, etc.

When the boss in these kinds of threads is ENTJ, it's usually pretty obvious to me what the problem is. I sit here and think, "You're acting like a douchebag." or "You're fucking around too much." or "You're disorganized and it's gumming up the works." or "You're apparently scared to death to be even semi-straightforward, and it's causing communication problems." This is what provided the initial kernel for the list.

I ended up feeding not just my own data into it, but what data of this nature I have on two other ENTJs, as well. One is my husband's aunt (female, early 60's), and the other is a college friend of mine that I still am in regular contact with (male, mid 30's.) There were a few differences here and there, but the similarities far outweighed them.
 

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it was ok it was a mixture of being serious and being funny.

first my boss would micromanage me by almost accusing me of not doing anything all day even though i had proof ..i just had to answer with the right answer at the right time when he asks it. it was weird.

then when we're all done with business he asks me funny stuff and tells me im funny.

the rewards were good as long as he saw me do well.

he was kind of a douchebag but i miss working for him and i wish i still did. wouldve learned a lot, as i already did when i was still working for him. he valued inquisitiveness, which i had. we talked about mbtis and thats where i learned mine and he told me was entj.

obedience was a must. which wasnt that bad since.....well....

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Just quit the job and marry him.
I don't really understand having a sexual sort of reaction to it. Well, I do on a theoretical level (the various gender roles and whatnot coming into play), but not on a personal one. Most of those items also apply equally well to ESTJs. My father is an ESTJ, and frankly, the thought of "doing it" with my father makes me want to wash my head out with a flamethrower. :p
 
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I don't really understand having a sexual sort of reaction to it. Well, I do on a theoretical level (the various gender roles and whatnot coming into play), but not on a personal one. Most of those items also apply equally well to ESTJs. My father is an ESTJ, and frankly, the thought of "doing it" with my father makes me want to wash my head out with a flamethrower. :p
I agree. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar. Sex (for me at least) is a means to an end, not the end. At the workplace, a primarily "sexy" woman may get me to notice her beauty, but it will get her nowhere professionally. I suspect most heterosexual female ENTJ's would be of similar suit.
 
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