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100% yes. I always like to say that life isn't about banalities, it's about the big questions, death blows and battles of annihilation. I'm a world-champion side chooser from my earliest days. It always drove me crazy that others seemed so milquetoast in situations that seemed to call for some sort of impassioned response. Reasonable is for Tuesday evening at the grocery store. To me, the motto of Type 4 is the saying, "Find what you love and let it kill you."
 

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Yes lmao. I tend to feel like other people are 'cooler' and more chill and 'flow' better than I do. Which doesn't always make sense since I'm a fairly chill person myself when I wanna be...

I tend to feel like I have more intense feelings / emotions than others and I've even had the thought that I 'feel' music in a deeper, more complex way than other people. Which may be the case when compared to some other people, but I'm starting to be quite sure that there are others who feel just as deeply, if not deeper, as me.
 

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You know, there's probably nothing worse, for a 4 than to find somebody who you think feels as deeply as you do, but you find out that they aren't like expressive, you know? And to have the 4 kind of open up to this person thinking they've found another fanatic and wild person and then only to get the cold shoulder. That's like death to a 4. It completely crushes them. Feel like such a fool for not intuiting it beforehand. It's so embarrassing and painful. Especially since we rarely make mistakes like that.

I saw a movie about Vincent Van Gogh and Van Gogh found this other painter and lived with him for a time. Van Gogh was super excited and intense and just had a rush of feeling aimed at the other painter he was just in love with the idea of painting together and just diving in, but the other painter was more of a rational person and completely let Vincent down. Vincent didn't really need to be told, either, he could sense that the other guy was annoyed at his intensity and not on the same wavelength. You saw the air literally being sucked out of the balloon in his eyes (the actor did a great job playing these scenes) I always thought that Vincent was a 4 and that actor, too.

If anybody is interested, the movie is called 'The Yellow House'.
 

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but at least you can toy with them and it's really amusing
I don't agree and I find that an extreme waste of time. It's not a consolation at all to me. I'm definitely not into amusing myself at other's expense. There's so much more rewarding things to be doing than acting like some locker room bully. I want others to be inspired and passionate. Why would picking on them make you feel better?

I will say this, though, and it's unpopular to say and I may be attacked for it and it may sound snobbish and gatekeeper-like but I believe many 4's on here and other sites aren't really 4's at all.
 

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When I said to play with them, I didn't mean it in a dark, twisted, sick, bully way. I mean just messing a bit with them, like "I don't like your shirt" even if you actually like the shirt. It's just saying things to annoy them, you know, just for the fun, not for reasons of cruelty like a vulgar bully. Life sometimes can be simply boring, so you need to add some spice, some drama.
I also want to inspire others, like you, but, how do you that? They don't listen and they look into me eyes and still they don't believe me, so what can I do? Just create for myself and hope that someone will get it.
 

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When I said to play with them, I didn't mean it in a dark, twisted, sick, bully way. I mean just messing a bit with them, like "I don't like your shirt" even if you actually like the shirt. It's just saying things to annoy them, you know, just for the fun, not for reasons of cruelty like a vulgar bully. Life sometimes can be simply boring, so you need to add some spice, some drama.
I also want to inspire others, like you, but, how do you that? They don't listen and they look into me eyes and still they don't believe me, so what can I do? Just create for myself and hope that someone will get it.
I would actually say that I don't want to inspire others (at least not everybody) I want them to inspire themselves or find something, you know.
 

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To add on to this, I'd like to share a bit of a short story and then ask a question.

As a young person I would lash out at the world due to feeling misunderstood and like an alien. Everybody around me had an ease of socialness and they weren't interested in anything but mating with the opposite sex. This was extremely tough as I feared sex and relationships on a very deep level.

Even today, my tendency is to isolate and do everything on my own. Fanatically interested in things that, a very small audience of other fanatics care about ( I was on an internet forum with other guitar fanatics, desperately selling and wheeling and dealing looking for particular parts and guitars) I often wonder what are these people's Enneagram types? Their MBTI? They are like me in that they are very interested in things many others neglect to see the beauty in. A rare old vintage guitar part or screw would get us all excited. Are there a link between MBTI/Enneagram and this?

I consider this site one of many forums that I frequent. Although this is a broader larger field than most others I visit.

I'd just like to end by saying that I often times feel everybody around me are uninterested in general. No books, no art, no tastes, nothing. This sounds arrogant but of course it's a tragedy. Plain, drab, that's death to the 4 personality.
 

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Yes, I can relate to this feeling. I perceive myself to be more intense and dedicated when it comes to my interests than a lot of other people I meet. If I get into something for the first time, I jump fully in and then for a while I find it hard to balance my other interests.

For example, I connect to my favorite bands on a deep level. While I would enjoy talking to music, it seems like a lot of people I meet in real life talk about it superficially, only touching it a bit before moving on to some other subject that bores me. Thankfully the Internet exists so I can talk about music with other fanatics.
 

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I always feel like there's no oxygen in the air that other people breathe and I don't know how they get by like that. Sometimes I feel like I will suffocate. I live the most beautiful lives in my soul that usually cannot reach or touch anyone. I've felt that too, that cold shoulder, and I kind of knew somewhere inside that it was coming, yet I stupidly poured my heart out anyway. What a massive hurt. That was truly a feeling like suffocating. So many painful nights I've spent just longing to connect to something in another human being that just didn't seem to be there. The helplessness of knowing that my heartbreak was not seen, not heard, not reciprocated, that still gnaws at me inside, a fair bit of the time. Not just because I wasn't seen but because someone did not possess the eyes to see me, and I wondered what all of this me was even for, what was the point?
 

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Yeah I don't think anyone understands my obsession with my Artistic tastes which may be interpreted as fanatical. I am quite artistic, as was my mother and took after her and have my own ambitions to do with the multi talents that I have learned I indeed possess... In that way I am my Art, and succeeding with that art is tantamount to having imprinted the world in some way. So as a strong 3 wing core 4, I'm probably roughly the stereotype. And I feel quite unique... and not really understood... Many people's focuses seem a lot more... well, lacking the same depth. Speaking of depth... Music. Now normally I don't feel a lot of emotion as an NTP but when I listen to music it can open the flood gates of feeling and take me to a world away from this stressful world we live within. Almost magical, and I feel it's a magic that not many fully rake in and consume like I would …. But maybe that's also my SX instinct on top of it. Who knows. Either way, art intensity burns and it's so wrapped up in who I am that to say, disconnect it would indeed be like severing off oxygen. The very thing we need to survive.

Life has no meaning to me without it. Speaking of me. . . there is no me without it.
 
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