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“Here be dragons,” they say as a warning to travelers. You are entering dangerous, uncharted lands where death can come without a moment's notice. Well, maybe not death. Dismemberment is unlikely, too. Insanity is guaranteed, however. If you one day find yourself playing the part of someone befuddled by the romantic intentions of an INTP, you may find this helpful.

There are often a lot of posts here by people saying they find it hard to “get to know” an INTP. Generally this is by design, as INTPs construct a series of defenses in an overall objective to remain detached. So, I'm going to analogize this as best as I can to hopefully explain it in a way that is not overly cumbersome but also doesn't take a lot of effort on my part.


II. Not the Intro

All strangers, until proven otherwise, are barbarian hordes at the gates. The good news for the INTP is that their inner sanctum is very far removed from the outer gates-- there's an entire Byzantine maze of puzzles, traps, and defenses in between. The people who distinguish themselves from the horde and have entered the gate have traversed the metaphysical distance between “total stranger” and “someone whose name I bother to remember.”

There's no direct path from where you are now to where you want to go. The maze is there, you're going to have to go through it. While it is true that there is a minotaur in this maze, its over-all purpose is more akin to those run by lab rats. You will be observed and evaluated on a wide variety of criteria, and based on those scores, more direct paths through the maze become available. Some individuals, sadly, never find their way out of the maze and languish for all eternity in what can only be described as benign indifference.

Some individuals are really, frighteningly good at the maze. I've noticed, in particular, ENFJs tend to find the maze portion to be more like a stroll through the park. This sets off alarms, of course, because someone would have to be cheating to get through that fast. In the event of such an alarm, the ENFJ would be quizzed on what they saw in the maze. Based on their responses, either returned to proceed to the next stage, or be escorted out with a parting gift.

Others who find themselves wandering some INTP's maze at a slower pace can be assured that it is pretty easy if you remember these 4 things: 1. Relax. 2. Be yourself. 3. Let the INTP be him- or herself. 4. Don't base relationships on a stupid psychology test; it's a tool for trying to learn about yourself and others, not an infallible guidebook.
 

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I. Intro

Some individuals are really, frighteningly good at the maze. I've noticed, in particular, ENFJs tend to find the maze portion to be more like a stroll through the park. This sets off alarms, of course, because someone would have to be cheating to get through that fast. In the event of such an alarm, the ENFJ would be quizzed on what they saw in the maze.

Others who find themselves wandering some INTP's maze at a slower pace can be assured that it is pretty easy if you remember these 4 things: 1. Relax. 2. Be yourself. 3. Let the INTP be him- or herself. 4. Don't base relationships on a stupid psychology test; it's a tool for trying to learn about yourself and others, not an infallible guidebook.
So true...those ENFJs, it's like they phase right through your walls before you can realize you've been compromised. Also, #3 is perfect. I give people the freedom to be themselves, but very few do the same for me. I look forward to the section on surviving a siege.
 

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So true...those ENFJs, it's like they phase right through your walls before you can realize you've been compromised.
My theory is that there's some kind of black magic voodoo inherent in transposing the dominant functions that creates a Ti/Fe wormhole through it all. Dark sorcery, indeed.
 

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My theory is that there's some kind of black magic voodoo inherent in transposing the dominant functions that creates a Ti/Fe wormhole through it all. Dark sorcery, indeed.
I'm still waiting for that siege survival guide. My resources are running low. Leave it to an INTP to start a well thought out manual and stop right after the introduction:crying:
 

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I'm still waiting for that siege survival guide. My resources are running low. Leave it to an INTP to start a well thought out manual and stop right after the introduction:crying:
Oh, well... I wasn't serious about the siege part... but I guess now I'll have to make something up.

Also, I didn't stop after the introduction... as you can see, Part II is clearly labeled "Not the Intro."
 

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Oh, well... I wasn't serious about the siege part... but I guess now I'll have to make something up.

Also, I didn't stop after the introduction... as you can see, Part II is clearly labeled "Not the Intro."
*sigh* Lawyers are so good at covering themselves. Fine. Leave it to an INTP to start a well thought out manual and stop near the beginning.
 

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I found a few tricks that might work to bulldoze through the maze. They are in the form of questions. Like,"name three adjectives to describe yourself."

So would it work on an intp to kind of interview them with these questions in your opinion.
 

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I found a few tricks that might work to bulldoze through the maze. They are in the form of questions. Like,"name three adjectives to describe yourself."

So would it work on an intp to kind of interview them with these questions in your opinion.
First of all, I wouldn't consider that bulldozing through the maze because it is basically you voluntarily submitting to undergo the very purpose of the maze: provide an opportunity to study you and decide how close to let you in. You can ask all the questions you want, but until the INTP feels you're safe enough to allow you to affect his/her feelings, the answers you get aren't going to be very meaningful. Speaking personally, I have almost made an art form of flip responses to impromptu questionings. What you may not realize is that, if I am still in a defensive mood, I will be learning more about you based on the questions you are asking than you could possibly learn about me from the answers I am giving you.

So, to help you avoid putting an INTP into a defensive mode, don't start off asking questions directly about themselves. Forcing us to rehash factual bits of our identity and past experiences like that is a good way to make us get bored quickly. Instead, ask questions that allow us to engage our imagination, critical thinking, or sense of humor. It's an indirect path, but that's what mazes are all about.
 

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Since the heart of an INTP is not an actual place you can walk around, no, the map was a metaphor. Sorry if that was unclear. We also don't actually have literal mazes inside of us, in case you were confused about that part, too.
 

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So true...those ENFJs, it's like they phase right through your walls before you can realize you've been compromised.
Totally. That's what my ENFJ did to me. I kept throwing up walls and re-randomizing the maze, only to keep finding her standing next to me in the "Control room" providing advice on what new things I should add to the maze and how cool my walls would be with some decorations on them.


I kept having "WTF!?!" moments.


She is awesome though :)
 

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I found a few tricks that might work to bulldoze through the maze. They are in the form of questions. Like,"name three adjectives to describe yourself."

So would it work on an intp to kind of interview them with these questions in your opinion.
That's too direct, anyhow. xD I don't know any other INTPs in real life and I'm very new to this forum so I can't claim to speak for us as a collective, but we're generally enthusiastic about sharing our thoughts as long as it doesn't seem too superficial. With something like that, you're probably going to get a triad of general INTP -- traits which you should probably already be aware of -- and a possibly suspicious or relatively disinterested/awkward INTP. Dress it up! "If you could be any animal, what would you be and why?" Not only is it fun for the INTP, but they get to shine in their NT glory and probably surprise you in the process.

But don't mistake learning about the INTP as 'getting inside'. Some INTPs -- including myself -- aren't secretive about much of anything, but that absolutely does not guarantee you'll have any emotional sway.


On a side note, I've also recently fallen prey to the mysterious ENFJ powers. I never even knew that was a thing that could happen to me until it did... and now I don't even know what to do with it. xD I've never -not- been the unnoticing sempai! What a surreal role reversal...
 

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Hi :) I recently learned I'm an INTP, and from that I also found this site, which is great :)

I have to say this "map" is spot on, as I've always imagined my inner self sitting quietly and alone inside a gigantic fortress surrounded by countless seemingly impenetrable walls, with various deadly obstacles in between. Meanwhile, I have this puppet wandering around outside being all social and friendly to people.

Still waiting for that someone to at least make a noticeable crack somewhere, though :/
 

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I. Intro

“Here be dragons,” they say as a warning to travelers. You are entering dangerous, uncharted lands where death can come without a moment's notice. Well, maybe not death. Dismemberment is unlikely, too. Insanity is guaranteed, however. If you one day find yourself playing the part of someone befuddled by the romantic intentions of an INTP, you may find this helpful.

There are often a lot of posts here by people saying they find it hard to “get to know” an INTP. Generally this is by design, as INTPs construct a series of defenses in an overall objective to remain detached. So, I'm going to analogize this as best as I can to hopefully explain it in a way that is not overly cumbersome but also doesn't take a lot of effort on my part.


II. Not the Intro

All strangers, until proven otherwise, are barbarian hordes at the gates. The good news for the INTP is that their inner sanctum is very far removed from the outer gates-- there's an entire Byzantine maze of puzzles, traps, and defenses in between. The people who distinguish themselves from the horde and have entered the gate have traversed the metaphysical distance between “total stranger” and “someone whose name I bother to remember.”

There's no direct path from where you are now to where you want to go. The maze is there, you're going to have to go through it. While it is true that there is a minotaur in this maze, its over-all purpose is more akin to those run by lab rats. You will be observed and evaluated on a wide variety of criteria, and based on those scores, more direct paths through the maze become available. Some individuals, sadly, never find their way out of the maze and languish for all eternity in what can only be described as benign indifference.

Some individuals are really, frighteningly good at the maze. I've noticed, in particular, ENFJs tend to find the maze portion to be more like a stroll through the park. This sets off alarms, of course, because someone would have to be cheating to get through that fast. In the event of such an alarm, the ENFJ would be quizzed on what they saw in the maze. Based on their responses, either returned to proceed to the next stage, or be escorted out with a parting gift.

Others who find themselves wandering some INTP's maze at a slower pace can be assured that it is pretty easy if you remember these 4 things: 1. Relax. 2. Be yourself. 3. Let the INTP be him- or herself. 4. Don't base relationships on a stupid psychology test; it's a tool for trying to learn about yourself and others, not an infallible guidebook.
Isn't everyone like this (i.e. like an INTP)? *This is, of course a rhetorical question.*

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