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I was snooping in another Types forum and they gave great reasons why they lie.

The other person can't handle the truth
Don't want to me mean
Want to put a good face on the issue

I'm not doing them justice (they had some great reasons why) but it stuck me as odd to spin this in a good light.

Am I alone in thinking honest is the best policy. Maybe INTJ just don't care enough about the other person's feelings to cause trouble by lying.

Thoughts?:unsure:
 

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I'll acknowledge to sometimes lying, either by omission or by taking something too literally in some cases. Logic tends to be my usual guideline as I may evaluate various outcomes and get some result that I usually try for the best but end up somewhere else, not necessarily worse just different. I used to be quite a liar, something I'm not proud to admit but it is the truth.

"Lie to Me" is a TV show that seems like something worth adding here as part of that show is analyzing various reactions to see why people say what they do. I enjoy the show but do wonder how much of it is real at times.
 

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I haven't lied in years.
If something or somebody is ugly, I let people know it. If something or somebody is ugly, I let them know it.
Just think of the movie Liar, Liar; that's me, after his son makes that wish.
 

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I don't lie that often but I do tend to keep my mouth shut a lot in order to save people the embarrasment of the truth. I want to tell people what's really going on though and I'd want everyone else to tell me the truth as well. Why would I ever want to be lied to? I can't fathom it. It's evil and twisted at its worst, and censorship at its best. I can't adjust to reality with an incomplete picture. And I want to deal with reality.

But I respect other peoples wishes to live in lala-land.
 

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I don't lie that often but I do tend to keep my mouth shut a lot in order to save people the embarrasment of the truth. I want to tell people what's really going on though and I'd want everyone else to tell me the truth as well. Why would I ever want to be lied to? I can't fathom it. It's evil and twisted at its worst, and censorship at its best. I can't adjust to reality with an incomplete picture. And I want to deal with reality.

But I respect other peoples wishes to live in lala-land.
That pretty much sums it up for me as well.
 

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Why would I ever want to be lied to? I can't fathom it.
I think very few people would want to be lied to, and if so only when it's about life-shattering things. To me all these people who justify lying with this kind of excuses are just selfish and covering it up under false altruism.
They most certainly know their interlocutor wouldn't want to be lied to, so doing it is not making them a genuine favor out of love and caring, it's disrespectful. They just don't want to deal with the resulting uncomfortable situations when a displeasant truth is told so they cover their ass with lies.
 

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I rarely lie, and usually only by implication by omission and technical truths. Though I'll try to sugarcoat certain things if it could hurt the other person...try being the keyword.

I just don't see the point in outrght lying. 1) It'd be too much work remembering what I said to who. 2) I don't like being lied to so lying to others would be against my standards.
 

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I work in industry, so I have to do a lot of fibbing to make people feel better about themselves. Mostly, I try to leave things out that they don't need to know, but it is taxing.

What annoys me is that after I spend time thinking up something nicer to say people complain about how "honest" some of my comments are. <sigh>
 

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If the truth shall kill them let them die
-Immanuel Kant
 
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I chose to be "open and honest" both about four years ago, and have ever since thought it the best policy. The trick for an INTJ, however, is not to be honest with others, but to be honest with yourself; I self-taught myself survival and manipulative skills throughout middle school, high school, then college before I got married. Even now I still struggle with false lies I may subconsciously tell myself are true--mostly about my own feelings on things--so that I will choose a less painful path.

For example, I used to tell myself I didn't care what other people thought of me. Therefore I could "honestly" tell others the same, as I believed in that.

Sounds stupid perhaps, but I know other INTJs with the same problem; they lie to themselves so that they will believe it, then do not admit their true feelings/opinions on the matter.

Honesty is a good start, but openness in one's mind is really where one will start growing and developing.
 

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I am painfully honest about everything. If I owe you 5 cents, I will hunt you down and press it into your palm.

I never understood why INTJs are seen as the evil masterminds - we're really quite an honest bunch if this thread is anything to go by! Hey, we may plot to take over the world but at least we won't lie about it if asked :)
 

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i dont lie.
the truth is better than a lie, no matter how much it hurts.
but i do try to watch myself when wording these "truths," i've run into some trouble when i've said things pretty bluntly.heh.

and when i do lie, it's more like making up a story: lying for the sake of entertainment.
or if i'm asked a stupid question(yes i believe there are stupid questions, theyre the ones that are asked with no real interest) or if some one makes a stupid remark ie: "you look like an old lady" me--"i am an old lady"(i'm 17). just stupid stuff.

but yeah, i dont lie over serious matters
 

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If I lie I'll do it by omission. This is usually because I either don't feel like arguing a point, or am simply not interested in the subject enough to explain it.
 

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I do not believe that keeping information to myself --- as a "secret" or undiscussed information or just not answering a question --- is lying. However, if I feel that my silence would be taken to mean something I do not agree with, I will be honest with my thoughts/feelings.

I find that if/when I sugarcoat it is because I do not believe the person can follow my logic.

*Honesty for me is more about truths than my perception of something. Who is to say that my perception is true....and so how does honesty even enter the conversation?
 

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There are reasons numbering the many.
Usually some format of delusional self projection.
Or the expectation one must conform to the delusional ideals of others.
To be successful in competition/career by any, and all made up, means possible.
The reward looks yummy.
They are not in the position to spake the truth
They cant help themselves
The voices told them too
Its everyone else’s fault
Human nature (by no means all)

Regarding tellers of tall tales they may actually believe their version of reality and therefore their nonsensical reasoning and attempt to show you the light – just the way they see it as it shines so bright
 

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I only lie when not doing so will cause phisical harm to an other (unless the fucker deserved it)
 

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I have no need to lie, unless it to play mind games. but thats a different subject.

I never lie because really, whats the point?
If they ask i will tell/ comment to what I truly think.
If they do not like it, its not problem field. Otherwise word the question better.

Really, More people like that I am honest about EVERYTHING even if they hate what I say.
To many people give BS when really they just want the truth.

Again, why lie when you get nothing out of it?
If you have to lie, then your doing things wrong.
 
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