I came at it from a different angle. I did a test (with a certified practitioner), and several reality checks, e.g., online tests. I'm INTP. Therefore Ti dom.
I notice the difference more easily when I speak to INxJs vs xNTPs (The INTPs are Ne).I'm kinda in the same boat myself. I haven't really heard of a description of Ni vs Ne that clearly distinguishes them for me, and doesn't tend to make me feel "but I tend to do both...?". I'd recommend just actually reading descriptions of the functions and seeing which matches your internal thought process best (if you haven't already). It might not be immediately (or... ever) clear, but you should be able to get it down to 1-3 possibilities from that.
As best I can tell, my dom is somewhere between Ni/Ne by Socionics' definitions and I can't rule out Fi either going by MBTI's definitions.
The funny thing about being a Ne dom is that, despite the fact that intuition is a subconscious process, the outcomes tend to get all sorts of attention (and not all of it good). I don't think Ni is quite that loud.I've read a few descriptions but still consider myself in between. I consider the external world as an important factor in my decisions most of the time, but I also have a relatively good connection with my thought processes and the kind of feelings I have, if not really the feelings themselves. I'm emotional and sensitive but also rather stoic.
On an actual introversion/extroversion scale, I'm a bit more introverted but not significantly so. Is there a function where you're completely contradictory or in the middle of every scale?
I feel like there's a fairly obvious way to determine your dom cognitive function but I haven't encountered it yet.
Ahhh..I've read a few descriptions but still consider myself in between. I consider the external world as an important factor in my decisions most of the time, but I also have a relatively good connection with my thought processes and the kind of feelings I have, if not really the feelings themselves. I'm emotional and sensitive but also rather stoic.
On an actual introversion/extroversion scale, I'm a bit more introverted but not significantly so. Is there a function where you're completely contradictory or in the middle of every scale?
I feel like there's a fairly obvious way to determine your dom cognitive function but I haven't encountered it yet.
How do different dominant cognitive functions react in stress? I've read several descriptions but haven't seen anything about that yet. That'd be a good way to type since I'm better at going off specific information than an entire whole.Stress reactions are a good measure.
Or the 'standard' you feel yourself gravitating towards, even though 49% of the time might be the exception.
Yeah, under stress, a person can either rely on their stronger function... or overcompensate and use their weak function too much. Depends.How do different dominant cognitive functions react in stress? I've read several descriptions but haven't seen anything about that yet. That'd be a good way to type since I'm better at going off specific information than an entire whole.
Here's Jung's interpretation:
The conscious part is very similar to extroverted sensing. The difference is while the extroverted sensor just fully accepts what he senses on all levels, the introverts subconsciousness has to protect itself from outside influence using a few different strategies that strongly subconsciously influence what the person actually becomes aware of:
Unfavorable material objects of any kind could be treated as if they were the devil itself, favorable things as if they were well meaning powerful beings
Subjective level of sensations: the person often reacts to small things as if they were big issues and downplays big issues to a level they are comfortable with. They also value their subjective sensing aesthetics, unlike they extroverted sensor who tries to crush all subjectivity in favor of seeing "what is" and nothing more.
These people often appear to behave very rationally and indifferent on the outside, but that's just because they reject most of reality. "Still waters run deep" and so on.
If you want to see lots of people with this type actually spill out some of their innards, just go to r/intj
Theory says that stress polarizes the functions. There is the main axis (dom, inf) and the secondary axis (aux, ter). If you are an INFJ, stress sharpens Ni+Se and neutralizes Fe+Ti.How do different dominant cognitive functions react in stress? I've read several descriptions but haven't seen anything about that yet. That'd be a good way to type since I'm better at going off specific information than an entire whole.
I hate how Jung writes. 🤣It was really difficult to figure out lol. At the end I just do not get extroversion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/a0nc61
btw in regards to extroversion, I've read on the MBTI website how neuro-scientific studies using brain scans of extroverts and introverts and how extroverts have under-stimulated brains so they seek more sensory experiences. The introverts have over stimulated brains and so spend more time in their thoughts or whatever.At the end I just do not get extroversion.
The thing is, I never noticed I limit the things I take in - exactly as Jung says, Si is not aware of its subjectivity. I think I am probably much close to SP temperament than SJ (when taken at face value). I like new experiences but it's the way that I seek them out that determined by subjectivity (I like free-diving because it literally cuts me out from the rest of the world...I don't mind a rowdy atmosphere or excitement but it does not feel as profound). I notice it when things really sink in deep (leaving a strong impression that I am forever at loss how to convey to other people, knowing they will not understand), or I notice similar things happening over and over (people looove to attribute this to N but anticipating things is something I do a lot; sorta get a sense of what is about to unfold), or in conflicting situations where I refuse to give in to pressure. I think a lot of people are unaware of having this:I hate how Jung writes. 🤣
I take it that he's talking about sensing subjectivity. Rather than just wanting to experience everything without judgement which is how he describes Se.
My ISTJ wife also hates being overstimulated. Hates too much music, smells. Very different to my ESFP son (Se dom) who LOVES music, noise, and all sorts of sensations. He drives her up the wall! lol (I take it that this is what Jung meant by unfavourable?)
So both son and wife are Sensors. But the Se dom seems to want more stimulation. Whereas the Si dom limits stimulation, and more picky about it.
ISTJ wife tries to organise things to make things manageable. I'm happy that the house looks neat (on the surface), but she needs it be organized under the hood. My desk is much neater than hers, and you'd think she's a "messy perceiver", but she simply takes super long to figured out where to put it, and what system is best. Whereas I quickly just chuck it in a drawer in a place that good for now.
ISTJ wife and workmate with her Te, makes them more strict and prickly when it comes to small things... e.g. "forgetting to replace the bin bag" Or when things aren't done the way it's supposed to be done. (combo of Si Te) - This combo seems to have a heightened "Attention to detail" - Not sure if its the Si only or the combo of Si-Te.
But she also always forgets where she put her mobile phone. I don't have great recollection but I give myself a rule to put it in the usual few places (like a valet tray)
I had an ISFJ working for me, and my wife is ISTJ, so I've been studying how their Si is at work.
They both (both Si doms) seem less adaptable at handling new technology, software, etc. Like they like the traditional, good old tools they're used to.
Compared to the ISFJ, who seems to not be as detailed (perhaps coz she was new and inexperienced) - But the ISFJ can also get prickly other details under a smile. Like it really bugs her but she's trying to be friendly and keep composure. But haven't had the chance to study her for long. (I think one of my client is ISFJ). They seem to be more attached to their creature comforts. Likes doing things the usual way. Doesn't deviate much. I want to take his business to new heights, but he just wants to stick to the same old things.
I wish it were so easy for me to tell even what my preference is there. I've annoyed people in the past both by throwing conversations down into wild tangents others can't follow and by continuing a single topic longer than the other person had the patience for. With close friends, I'm both the one throwing the conversation off into weird tangents and reviving topics that were last thought about 10 minutes ago because I'm still thinking about it and can't simply let it rest. ^^;I notice the difference more easily when I speak to INxJs vs xNTPs (The INTPs are Ne).
- In any given amount of time, Ni conversations are also prone to go in more deep on a few topics. Ne conversations like going through many topics lightly.
- I find that xNTPs are more "open minded" and fascinated to hear differing opinions about ideas and theories. And I find it fun to talk to them because they're more open. I find it jarring to talk to INxJs who have differing opinions to myself (INFJ too). Disagreeing is not as fun between INxJs, but more fun with Ne types. so xNTPs, because they'll address it logically and hold it less close to their heart. They tend to be more prone to tunnel vision. Ni wants to zone in or sort out & organize right from wrong, or at least arrive to conclusions rather than just let the ideas sit everywhere. Not that Ne users never come to conclusions, that's for their judging functions to do that, but that they're happy to find as many theories or ideas.
So essentially:
Ne
More diverse conversations topics in a given amount of time.
More open minded and fascinated with all ideas and theories.
Ni
Fewer but deeper conversations topics in a given amount of time.
More narrower focus on ideas and theories.
And you're a normal person for being able to do both, but it's more about what you naturally prefer in the same amount of time. Today I was talking to an INTP about this one topic deeply and he was saturated and wanted to talk about other things. I'd be interested in a study of number of conversation topics per hour between Ni people and Ne people.
Yeah... I'm guilty of all that too. I have a tendancy to want to revive an old topic I'm still thinking about, or go too deep into one topic. I just have to restrain myself from all that.I've annoyed people in the past both by throwing conversations down into wild tangents others can't follow and by continuing a single topic longer than the other person had the patience for. With close friends, I'm both the one throwing the conversation off into weird tangents and reviving topics that were last thought about 10 minutes ago because I'm still thinking about it and can't simply let it rest. ^^;
It is a useful way to think about things, yeah. The only real way I have to avoid that sorta thing is basically mentally double check anything I'm about to say, because otherwise just keeping my goal in a conversation in mind takes focus I don't always have. It... is what it is.Yeah... I'm guilty of all that too. I have a tendancy to want to revive an old topic I'm still thinking about, or go too deep into one topic. I just have to restrain myself from all that.
I try to think about the aim of the social conversation to help me put my conversations into perspective. I mean... what is a conversation anyway? Is it merely uploading/downloading info into one another? Is it a interaction that creates mutually positive feelings and the topics are merely the vehicle? Is it to actually to fully sort out a matter? Do I want the other person to come back and continue talking with me in future? Do I need to get it off my chest at the expese of all relationship?
Also if you perceive yourself to be the "weird" one, is it the case that they're just different to you? Or a different personality type? All my friends were sensors at some stage, and I felt like a real oddball. Then there are some that love these types of conversations, and it's mutually nice.
I thought I had ADHD at some point, but my "analytical psychologist" said, "no, you don't because you're able to improve your outcome by sheer will." (work context, focusing, writing things down, check boxing things to overcome weaknesses in focusing. The lack of focus was actually due to a hyper-stressful environment. Since I left, I felt like my focus was improved.) - So I'm guessing from her statement that people with actual ADHD are "unable to" as opposed to "find t difficult to" focus.That's... uh. Probably a way to say I have ADHD without saying I have ADHD, though. For a lot of people, ADHD a weird mix of being easily distractable and hyperfocusing when something actually catches their attention fully. Makes it hard to easily decide between "Ne with ADHD", "Ni with ADHD" or just "no real preference... still with ADHD".
I don't unfortunately have any good sources to refer right now but I think you're on right path with that - you start to see your dom drive when something disturbs it over prolonged period / takes out of its comfort zone. Otherwise it's so smooth and seamless process (for you haha, not for the others) that it's hard to figure out first timeHow do different dominant cognitive functions react in stress? I've read several descriptions but haven't seen anything about that yet. That'd be a good way to type since I'm better at going off specific information than an entire whole.
This was honestly amazing advice! I'd suspected that I was a Fe dom for a while, and I looked into what an inferior Ti is like in stress, and definitely relate to becoming more critical of myself and others. I'm probably a socially introverted/ambiverted Fe dom, because I need time to recharge alone but then again I also project most of my energy and focus onto the external world.Theory says that stress polarizes the functions. There is the main axis (dom, inf) and the secondary axis (aux, ter). If you are an INFJ, stress sharpens Ni+Se and neutralizes Fe+Ti.
'Normal' stress would be a hyper Ni mode, extreme stress let's loose the inferior Se (= always trouble).
The solution would be to address the suppressed secondary axis. In case of the INFJ: deliberately activate the middle functions Fe and Ti because they are capable of regular reasoning.
That's the theory, anyway.
For myself (INTP) I know tension causes Ti overdrive. Immense tension = spells of Fe rampage. And the way out is through the awaking of The Holy Savior, Ne.