Subjectivlely....I'm smarter in soem ways maybe not as samrt in other ways, I don't care about the typicla idea of intelligence being soely based on logic and mathematic and whatever.
How do you measure your own 'intelligence' ? ('Objectively'/'subjectively')
Just curious
What kind of proofs do you yourself personally look at when measuring your own intelligence (be it emotional intelligence/ interpersonal intelligence/ logical/ determination whatever that's valuable to you)? Is it in external achievements, how you converse with others or in your own moments of reflection or all of the above? Do I make sense when I ask this (lol)?
How do you measure yourself in this sense (in other words)?
What kind of proofs do you yourself personally look at when measuring your own intelligence (be it emotional intelligence/ interpersonal intelligence/ logical/ determination whatever that's valuable to you)? Is it in external achievements, how you converse with others or in your own moments of reflection or all of the above? Do I make sense when I ask this (lol)?
How do you measure yourself in this sense (in other words)?
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I'd say I measure my intelligence by my thoughts 
If intelligence was to be measured subjectively it won't be very reliable as it's just one opinion. The best way to calculate how successful you are in a particular field is to do it and prove it.
However, saying this, there are many things in society these days that are inaccurate and has very limited views on intelligence. For example, the way most schools are structured to cater the learning method of a particular type of skill, measuring only how well you can take in information, remember it and recite it. It rarely gives room for creativity or even emotional intelligence (they don't even teach you how to deal with taxes, insurance or any financial skills unless you're taking something like business!)
However, saying this, there are many things in society these days that are inaccurate and has very limited views on intelligence. For example, the way most schools are structured to cater the learning method of a particular type of skill, measuring only how well you can take in information, remember it and recite it. It rarely gives room for creativity or even emotional intelligence (they don't even teach you how to deal with taxes, insurance or any financial skills unless you're taking something like business!)
I measure it relative to others. When I was in college I felt like such a dunce next to all of the smart people raising their hands and giving their instant articulate opinions. It used to take me a lot longer to put my thoughts into words (I later found out this was common among introverts).
Out in the real world I feel like a fucking genius. If we didn't live in a cotton-wool society, half of these people wouldn't have survived past adolescence.
At any rate, it's definitely external.
Out in the real world I feel like a fucking genius. If we didn't live in a cotton-wool society, half of these people wouldn't have survived past adolescence.
At any rate, it's definitely external.
I agree with you but being intelligent and being successful often aren't the same. Also, learning how to do your taxes, personal finance etc etc are things you should be able to teach yourself.If intelligence was to be measured subjectively it won't be very reliable as it's just one opinion. The best way to calculate how successful you are in a particular field is to do it and prove it.
However, saying this, there are many things in society these days that are inaccurate and has very limited views on intelligence. For example, the way most schools are structured to cater the learning method of a particular type of skill, measuring only how well you can take in information, remember it and recite it. It rarely gives room for creativity or even emotional intelligence (they don't even teach you how to deal with taxes, insurance or any financial skills unless you're taking something like business!)
I think school does definitely tend to educate the creativity out of a person if they're not careful though.
On a personal level though I've always been viewed/perceived as "intelligent" and I've never felt compelled to show it off or prove it but I guess I'll go with external validation. Either through tests or by perception I guess.
Objectively.
When intelligent people tell me I'm intelligent, or when I have an idea that people around me don't understand and then I find an article or something written by a professor or doctor or someone and they are talking about the same idea.
When intelligent people tell me I'm intelligent, or when I have an idea that people around me don't understand and then I find an article or something written by a professor or doctor or someone and they are talking about the same idea.
I reckon the educational system heavily influences our views of ourselves and each other. Smart people go to some university, others don't. Still, I think of myself I as just north of average when it comes to being smart. I deduce this from comparing myself to others. I see that some are less smart than me, while others are way smarter. One of my measuring techniques is how fast a person can read. I don't know if this is fair, but I figure a slow reader is also a slow thinker. Man, I am so biased.
Still, it doesn't do me much good knowing how I compare to others since we all lead our own lives. I have to make sense of mine and deal with the cards that are being dealt to me - and others have lives of their own. I just hope I am smart enough to make my own life worthwhile. If I look at how smart I am this way, I could do with some fresh ideas.
Finally, I like how Howard Gardner speaks of multiple intelligences. He describes how people are smart at different things, including linguistic, logic-mathematical, musical, spatial, bodily/kinesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, and naturalistic. What fascinates me is that Howard doesn't care too much about individual IQ levels, but looks at ways in which people are smart. His theory has helped me to build a new appreciation for people and the different ways in which they contribute.
Still, it doesn't do me much good knowing how I compare to others since we all lead our own lives. I have to make sense of mine and deal with the cards that are being dealt to me - and others have lives of their own. I just hope I am smart enough to make my own life worthwhile. If I look at how smart I am this way, I could do with some fresh ideas.
Finally, I like how Howard Gardner speaks of multiple intelligences. He describes how people are smart at different things, including linguistic, logic-mathematical, musical, spatial, bodily/kinesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, and naturalistic. What fascinates me is that Howard doesn't care too much about individual IQ levels, but looks at ways in which people are smart. His theory has helped me to build a new appreciation for people and the different ways in which they contribute.
My intelligence can be seen when by reading some of my research papers, or having a discussion with me. I'm also really good at music, so if anyone hears my music they will know I have musical intelligence.
I measure my own intelligence in the ability to find answers to things without facts related to that question...sort of like how base 60 was used for.
having a question needing answered, and by your knowledge of being able to figure out 2 different answers, it leading to a truth or fact about the other one
having a question needing answered, and by your knowledge of being able to figure out 2 different answers, it leading to a truth or fact about the other one
I measuremy intelligence by my accomplishments, either external or internal. Being able to build something for instance, or to grasp a new concept
Well, it all depends on how you define intelligence. One definition is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
It's very broad. Somehow in today's society, generally our view of intelligence is extremely narrow. I suppose you could say our definition of intelligence is rather subjective and it is reflecting what we view as "valuable". Is the acquiring and application of [insert something here] reflecting intelligence? Even if we were trying to measure such a thing objectively we'd have a hard time considering, well, just about everything.
Is intelligence something you can figure out by taking a test? Any sort of test? I don't think so. Is the person who dropped out of high school to learn a trade unintelligent? Does their job reflect that they weren't "good" enough to do something else seemingly more "respectable"? Sometimes we think in those terms too, sadly.
The world as we know it relies upon the fact that people have different sorts of intelligence and think in different ways. I don't try and measure intelligence. I find that looking at a person's good qualities and strengths, the talent that person holds inside, gives a more accurate picture.
Edit; Ah, I suppose I should mention that as for myself, I don't exactly know how much "intelligence" I have. I know I have been called intelligent. I can articulate things. I can grasp new knowledge and apply it. So many factors have played into this, though. The education I have received, my parents who have taught me good skills, and all the things that have influenced me. Compared to other people I may seem more "intelligent" at first glance. I don't think I can place all that credit upon myself. I'm probably just fairly average. I pay no attention to IQ.
It's very broad. Somehow in today's society, generally our view of intelligence is extremely narrow. I suppose you could say our definition of intelligence is rather subjective and it is reflecting what we view as "valuable". Is the acquiring and application of [insert something here] reflecting intelligence? Even if we were trying to measure such a thing objectively we'd have a hard time considering, well, just about everything.
Is intelligence something you can figure out by taking a test? Any sort of test? I don't think so. Is the person who dropped out of high school to learn a trade unintelligent? Does their job reflect that they weren't "good" enough to do something else seemingly more "respectable"? Sometimes we think in those terms too, sadly.
The world as we know it relies upon the fact that people have different sorts of intelligence and think in different ways. I don't try and measure intelligence. I find that looking at a person's good qualities and strengths, the talent that person holds inside, gives a more accurate picture.
Edit; Ah, I suppose I should mention that as for myself, I don't exactly know how much "intelligence" I have. I know I have been called intelligent. I can articulate things. I can grasp new knowledge and apply it. So many factors have played into this, though. The education I have received, my parents who have taught me good skills, and all the things that have influenced me. Compared to other people I may seem more "intelligent" at first glance. I don't think I can place all that credit upon myself. I'm probably just fairly average. I pay no attention to IQ.
I would say I'm book-smart and rather street-smart, but when it comes to talking to people I'm clueless. I'm emotionally detached from most things, and it's later when I realize I was being too sarcastic or dry. Often I don't understand why people obsess over the things they do. I just don't understand teens my age, but I connect well with adults.
1. My mind is my playground, the only thing I really love about myself. I think non-stop, about everything I find interesting, and I love digging through my thoughts as deeply as possible. I'm constantly daydreaming. I see my thoughts very vividly, as if they were tangible. I organize them very complexly, connecting everything I've ever placed in my mind. It's all very graphical. Also, I absolutely love challenging everything, from universal ethics to my simplest thoughts.
2. Comparing myself with how others think. I think faster and deeper than almost everyone I know. This is useful, but mostly just annoying; slow and superficial people drive me crazy, and unfortunately, they're in the majority. People either admire my quirky way of thinking or they laugh at me. I also think quicker than I can physically react. If I didn't control myself to sloooow down, I could easily be mistaken for a chipmunk on caffeine.
To sum it up, my thoughts are very fast, vivid, I'm curious and uninhibited, I make connections which make normal people question my sanity and I create huge imaginary worlds in my mind and play with them when I'm bored with reality. I'd think I was crazy if I weren't so blatantly sensible.
I hope this will be helpful to someone; my subjectivity proved to be objective, since I've tested around 145 on a standardized IQ test. I'd feel better if some of you can identify with me. I'm not terribly smart, but I still feel like an alien.
2. Comparing myself with how others think. I think faster and deeper than almost everyone I know. This is useful, but mostly just annoying; slow and superficial people drive me crazy, and unfortunately, they're in the majority. People either admire my quirky way of thinking or they laugh at me. I also think quicker than I can physically react. If I didn't control myself to sloooow down, I could easily be mistaken for a chipmunk on caffeine.
To sum it up, my thoughts are very fast, vivid, I'm curious and uninhibited, I make connections which make normal people question my sanity and I create huge imaginary worlds in my mind and play with them when I'm bored with reality. I'd think I was crazy if I weren't so blatantly sensible.
I hope this will be helpful to someone; my subjectivity proved to be objective, since I've tested around 145 on a standardized IQ test. I'd feel better if some of you can identify with me. I'm not terribly smart, but I still feel like an alien.
It's hard to define intelligence. :\
Let's take me and my brother for example: I'm well-read and can easily grasp a new concept. I can do abstract thinking very well and I'm good at finding the general idea hidden behind the details. I'm a decent writer, know two languages. I don't have much people skills but I've got empathy and can easily see why people do what they do. Also, I'm very bored by routine. The downside is that I don't have a good grasp of reality and I lack method in doing everything.
My brother is great at all the everyday things. He's good at finding connection between events, at getting organized, at crunching numbers, at running a business. He's sociable, proactive, has a clear view on things and little room for doubt in whatever he does. The downside is that he can't see farther than his nose and he's very resistant to change he doesn't understand, like using the internet to do some of his everyday chores, or finding out a new and cheaper method to do something he already does.
Which would you consider more intelligent? Thought without application or application without thought?
Let's take me and my brother for example: I'm well-read and can easily grasp a new concept. I can do abstract thinking very well and I'm good at finding the general idea hidden behind the details. I'm a decent writer, know two languages. I don't have much people skills but I've got empathy and can easily see why people do what they do. Also, I'm very bored by routine. The downside is that I don't have a good grasp of reality and I lack method in doing everything.
My brother is great at all the everyday things. He's good at finding connection between events, at getting organized, at crunching numbers, at running a business. He's sociable, proactive, has a clear view on things and little room for doubt in whatever he does. The downside is that he can't see farther than his nose and he's very resistant to change he doesn't understand, like using the internet to do some of his everyday chores, or finding out a new and cheaper method to do something he already does.
Which would you consider more intelligent? Thought without application or application without thought?
Well would you call what your brother does application without thought? To me, it doesn't seem like he's applying his skills without thought. He's definitely actively thinking about things - pros, cons, the best thing to do in the situation. What has worked for me before in a similar situation? Etc. Both of you are intelligent in your own ways. ^_^ At least from me, an outsider, looking in.It's hard to define intelligence. :\
Let's take me and my brother for example: I'm well-read and can easily grasp a new concept. I can do abstract thinking very well and I'm good at finding the general idea hidden behind the details. I'm a decent writer, know two languages. I don't have much people skills but I've got empathy and can easily see why people do what they do. Also, I'm very bored by routine. The downside is that I don't have a good grasp of reality and I lack method in doing everything.
My brother is great at all the everyday things. He's good at finding connection between events, at getting organized, at crunching numbers, at running a business. He's sociable, proactive, has a clear view on things and little room for doubt in whatever he does. The downside is that he can't see farther than his nose and he's very resistant to change he doesn't understand, like using the internet to do some of his everyday chores, or finding out a new and cheaper method to do something he already does.
Which would you consider more intelligent? Thought without application or application without thought?
Definitely thought without application. That's imagination. Application without thought is mindless stagnation.kagemitsu said:Which would you consider more intelligent? Thought without application or application without thought?
And I agree with @Julia Bell, your brother is definitely not acting without thinking, he just sounds very down-to-earth, conservative and organized. I'd say your fluid intelligence could be higher than your brother's, but it alone won't get you anywhere, trust me. Personally, I'd like to swap it for some self-discipline and motivation, I'm too lazy to do anything useful.
I just consider myself to be quite clever, but with raw intelligence I don't see myself much above average. The cleverness allows me to to hang with the best of em, but there's just a difference in function.
I'm probably more novelty over function. Overall it's subjective, the only objective means I have is an IQ score from WISC, and I don't care about IQ.
I'm probably more novelty over function. Overall it's subjective, the only objective means I have is an IQ score from WISC, and I don't care about IQ.
The more I am able to apply my knowledge/understanding to a given problem/situation.
Application in itself is what makes knowledge so significant. And because we always have a goal when we think, technically we're also using application. Therefore, application in itself should be the road we go down.
Though if we wanted to look at specifically how intelligent we are, we would need to build our own telescope that can only be interpreted by us, and therefore provide no universal result.
Application in itself is what makes knowledge so significant. And because we always have a goal when we think, technically we're also using application. Therefore, application in itself should be the road we go down.
Though if we wanted to look at specifically how intelligent we are, we would need to build our own telescope that can only be interpreted by us, and therefore provide no universal result.
I need something tangible, so I use my metric ruler.
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