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How vivid are your imagination?
what senses can you feel or use when thinking about something ?
Is it more visual /verbal/audio ?
Do multiple thoughts play out at once or are you more singular focus
When conversing with somebody - what thoughts crosses your mind- do you have any thoughts at all
If you speak more than one languages- which language do you verbalize in your mind





I guess I'll start- my thoughts are mainly verbal with specks of visualization - however when indulging in my imagination I can close my eyes and visualize /feel and somewhat smell where I'm at - I can even recall tastes but only up to 33 percent of reality .
My mind talks nonstop- and I have 3 or 4( maybe more) thoughts running all at once
For example- one part of my mind will be making a movie , another recalling a conversation with somebody but it's faded out , and then the main part would narrate or introspect itself.
My thoughts are always in English - when conversing in Vietnamese with my mom and relatives ( I can speak, read and write fluently in Vietnamese )
When conversing with somebody - my main focus will be talking to them - however my mind does jump around in visual thoughts and other false fantasize memories all at once . I tend to recall and remember what the other person is saying - however I find myself quite talkative- yet when the conversation is over I could only remember what the other party said .
When writing- my mind goes blank and I just write , sometimes it feels as if my writing junp out before my thoughts - same with reading and watching a movie I enjoy, it's as if my mind took a break for a while- however if I'm not fully captivated then random thoughts would occur.
My mind doesn't stop and I can easily introspect myself and make pro cons list in my mind- yet have soft melody of music ( only 25 % effective I can't actually hear the music out loud ) in the back ground . I replay conversations nonstop , and it's easy for me to drift off into daydreaming- more so if I'm listening to music .when certain emotions hits me- flash back of visual memory would occur- for example- I kept on seeing me as a four years old asking my dad who gave him his Picasso painting and he will say " you did" and for that brief moment I'll feel like I travel back in time


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How vivid are your imagination?
Very

what senses can you feel or use when thinking about something ?
Visual and auditory

Is it more visual /verbal/audio ?
It's whatever fits the train of thought.

Do multiple thoughts play out at once or are you more singular focus
I wasn't aware multitasking was humanly possible. I thought we just rotated focus at a rapid rate.

When conversing with somebody - what thoughts crosses your mind- do you have any thoughts at all
It's usually fluid. Sometimes I have a pointer I wish to share, but it's inspired by the middle of a long story someone is telling. These points can get backed up sometimes in excited exchanges. They might get brought up the next time.
 

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Okay, Ai. I'm like you, but I've got some specific stuff just like you.
Looking at my thought process like it's a "scene" is a good idea. It's all "gists" mostly. In the visual department think of shadows colors and shapes moving. Although, I'm a very visual thinker. I see math as very visual. The big one for me is, I always have music running and it comes into the forefront or goes into the backdrop, in and out depending on how much I love it. Sometimes music is so clear for me, it almost seems clearer and more intense than listening in real life and sometimes I have a hard time listening to anyone in real life. The music is louder. I had to give it a break.

Sometimes I'll see flashes of art. Like flashes one after the other, very strong images. Paintings and sculpture. For some reason the first time this happened it kind of scared me. I didn't like the images just flashing uncontrollably. Also this art is something my brain is making, its not a memory. Usually this only happens like once a year or something. I can ask my brain to do this. I am getting better at that. Actually, I just tried and right now I can't ask my brain to do this. I might work on that, but I'm concentrating on composing music now.

If I'm learning a new language then the music and a background of that language playing (like people speaking it in lowered voices) is going on interchangeably. By this I know my subconscious is working on learning that language.

I guess I'm fairly close to my subconscious and it's my "backdrop". Images (memory) are like shadowy yet colorful movement in the middle and my conscious thought is the foreground. I can detect those 3 things at once. If I'm talking to someone it creates a 4th level, actually. Even closer than my "conscious" it will connect what people say to my memories and the connections come quick and like small flashes or sparks almost of concept. Research does the same thing. Self-reflection does the same actually. I guess this is why ENFPs get so absorbed?

My memories of the tangible world are all not very good. When I'm connecting thoughts, they are all in the abstract and like I said, like small flashes of concepts. But could I ever remember a raspberry taste? And that's my favorite taste, btw,... I can remember the color and the dust on it if I'm picking it outside and the sun on it, but not clearly. All more like a painting--- not even a clear painting. More like an abstract painting that symbolizes the warmth and includes the colors of the raspberry. When I was younger I used to ask my brain to take a photo of something and I'd memorize it. I hardly even do this anymore very well. Also directions to get to destinations are really hard for me to visualize. I can't seem to remember landmarks well either. So getting lost is a possibility if I don't have my cell phone. And I'm saying this about places I've driven to 2-3 times (very poor Si, I guess)

Writing... it's kind of in that 4th area. Forefront and the thought happens as I write.
 

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Ai.tran.75 What about emotions and memory?
Good follow-up question.
Emotion memory: Very strong but abstract and in a visual way, again like an abstract painting. My first strong memory is of when they brought my sister home from the hospital. I was 2 3/4 years old. I remember feeling like the room was full of light and that a small angel was in the room-- I felt she was sacred. I loved her immediately and in an all-consuming way. I could actually paint all these things--- I could make them abstract but with some forms. I haven't tried to do that. I usually paint from off of pictures.
 

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Sometimes I'll see flashes of art. Like flashes one after the other, very strong images. Paintings and sculpture. For some reason the first time this happened it kind of scared me. I didn't like the images just flashing uncontrollably. Also this art is something my brain is making, its not a memory. Usually this only happens like once a year or something. I can ask my brain to do this. I am getting better at that. Actually, I just tried and right now I can't ask my brain to do this. I might work on that, but I'm concentrating on composing music now.

If I'm learning a new language then the music and a background of that language playing (like people speaking it in lowered voices) is going on interchangeably. By this I know my subconscious is working on learning that language.

I guess I'm fairly close to my subconscious and it's my "backdrop". Images (memory) are like shadowy yet colorful movement in the middle and my conscious thought is the foreground. I can detect those 3 things at once. If I'm talking to someone it creates a 4th level, actually. Even closer than my "conscious" it will connect what people say to my memories and the connections come quick and like small flashes or sparks almost of concept. Research does the same thing. Self-reflection does the same actually. I guess this is why ENFPs get so absorbed?

My memories of the tangible world are all not very good. When I'm connecting thoughts, they are all in the abstract and like I said, like small flashes of concepts. But could I ever remember a raspberry taste? And that's my favorite taste, btw,... I can remember the color and the dust on it if I'm picking it outside and the sun on it, but not clearly. All more like a painting--- not even a clear painting. More like an abstract painting that symbolizes the warmth and includes the colors of the raspberry. When I was younger I used to ask my brain to take a photo of something and I'd memorize it. I hardly even do this anymore very well. Also directions to get to destinations are really hard for me to visualize. I can't seem to remember landmarks well either. So getting lost is a possibility if I don't have my cell phone. And I'm saying this about places I've driven to 2-3 times (very poor Si, I guess)

Writing... it's kind of in that 4th area. Forefront and the thought happens as I write.
Yeah with flashes of art - sometimes mine would creep me out as well- bc it's odd abstract images that I've never seen before
- however I can paint in my mind and play with coloring just vaguely

With tastes- I can remember quite vividly - for example since we're talking about raspberry,
I can feel the soft bubbly soft texture, it's fuzzy skin and the soft burst of sweet and sour tart ( but not overpowering)- there is a hint of floral taste and smell to it , the raspberry taste leaves a tingle sensation on the tip of my tongue- for some odd reason I kept on pairing this thought with an image of me in a white dress walking barefoot outside my old neighbor garden with a hint of soft breeze but my skin is kinda itching.

With directions - yeah it depends on the place I'm going to. My istp husband- can drive somewhere once and remember everything- I can't do that - same with picturing my room- if somebody was take something from my room or replace something- I'll barely notice.

How does your brain take photo work ? Are the images in color like everyday or pastel?

Oh yeah - do certain music make you more imaginative or run different thoughts ? What kind of music do you orchestrate?
Can you remember someone voice ? Or are they all your own voices ?

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How vivid are your imagination?
Feels too subjective to answer... but I like to think fairly vivid.

what senses can you feel or use when thinking about something ?
None. I guess I see and hear things and imagine other senses but none of it is a real simulation. At least never real enough for me to associate it with senses.

Is it more visual /verbal/audio ?
It becomes more visual and surreal when I'm exhausted, as if my mind is already creating dreamlike imagery. Generally my everyday thoughts are purely verbal unless I am daydreaming or trying to imagine art (story/drawing whatever it is, when I'm struck with inspiration it's visual).

Do multiple thoughts play out at once or are you more singular focus
It's linear. I can jump from point to point but it's always a progression. Sometimes I will get sidetracked and lose my trail of thought but that annoys me.

When conversing with somebody - what thoughts crosses your mind- do you have any thoughts at all
That's all dependent on the conversation, the person and my mood. My mind isn't constantly running in conversation but if it's not I'm often not that engaged with the conversation. I suppose the more common thoughts are "Huh, that reminds me of something, I should tell them about."


How does your brain take photo work ? Are the images in color like everyday or pastel?
Do you mean remembering things visually? It's kind of neither... like I suppose the best way to describe it would be like if I were to project an image using a projector onto whatever I'm currently looking at, the colours blend with that. When it's darkness or my eyes are closed the image is still faded, fuzzy.

Oh yeah - do certain music make you more imaginative or run different thoughts ?
Definitely. I often rely on that. It gets me into the moods of characters I'm writing/designing or it motivates me into certain moods... like working out or hyping up for meeting up with friends or evoking whatever emotion I need.

Can you remember someone voice ?
Yes.

Or are they all your own voices ?
Both, it's not consistant. Sometimes my thoughts might end up all being the voice of someone else... which is weird.
 

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Both, it's not consistant. Sometimes my thoughts might end up all being the voice of someone else... which is weird.
Yeah my thoughts are mainly verbal as well , constant conversations. When drawing or reading does your mind space out for a while or is it constantly active?

Interesting that sometimes the voice in your mind is not your own, it happens to me sometimes as well now that I think of it . Sometimes when I hear my recorded voice I'm shock by how foreign it sound compared the voice in my head

Does music play in your mind?

Most sense and visual I can recall a good 40-60 percent of the actual image but never fully exact

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My first strong memory is of when they brought my sister home from the hospital.
My 1st memory was at 2. I was on a merry go round. I noticed everything about the moment. I remember the colors of the grass, sky, and ponies. I remember a brown haired toddler in a white frilly dress in the outside lane to my right.
 

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My 1st memory was at 2. I was on a merry go round. I noticed everything about the moment. I remember the colors of the grass, sky, and ponies. I remember a brown haired toddler in a white frilly dress in the outside lane to my right.
My first memory of a merry go round was when I was 2 or 3- it was foggy and cold outside, I remembered being pushed in a maroon velvet stroller, then I hear music and saw the merry go round- there were different zoo animals on the merry go round ( not all horses) and kids were in heavy jackets and snow cap. I even remember the blonde kid that kept on waving at me .


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Oh yeah - do certain music make you more imaginative or run different thoughts ? What kind of music do you orchestrate?
I'm highly affected by music, so I've become selective. I like modern and vintage lounge. It helps me be productive. The music I write helps me zone out.

Can you remember someone voice ? Or are they all your own voices ?
I remember voices and can imitate them. In the past, I would hear my father's voice being hateful to me.

Does music play in your mind?
I hear it as if it's being played.
 

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I remember voices and can imitate them. In the past, I would hear my father's voice being hateful to me.
Same here - I too can hear voice and imitate them. Most of the thoughts in my head are conversational

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Yeah my thoughts are mainly verbal as well , constant conversations. When drawing or reading does your mind space out for a while or is it constantly active?
If I am copying something (i.e. drawing a still life or a portrait of someone) then my mind is going a million miles an hour thinking about where to put the next stroke... but I can't zone out and think about other things with that. If it's purely from my imagination or a more impressionist piece then I can think about anything including just reflecting on my day. When reading, I can zone out... but when I say 'zone out' I'm still very much active, I just picked up on a part of the story and ran with it like '"It's raining," he said -- that's a pretty image, I could draw that, reminds me I need to fix my umbrella, I wonder if he has the same problem... blah blah' then I get to the bottom of the page realising I didn't absorb a word.

Interesting that sometimes the voice in your mind is not your own, it happens to me sometimes as well now that I think of it . Sometimes when I hear my recorded voice I'm shock by how foreign it sound compared the voice in my head
I feel like my recorded voice doesn't work with my personality... I wish people could hear me like I do.

Does music play in your mind?
Often.

Most sense and visual I can recall a good 40-60 percent of the actual image but never fully exact
The only thing reliable about my recall is that it's never accurate.
 

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How vivid are your imagination?

Probably not as vivid as the others here. My imagination, even in dreams, is usually vague and is more of internal feelings than anything physical. At best there is a lot of audio, some video. No matter how vivid my dreams get, it is the emotional impact that stays with me. Nightmares are usually about feeling lost and confused. Good dreams involve connecting with other people.


what senses can you feel or use when thinking about something ?

Mostly verbal/ auditory, but having a visual helps. I learn and remember things in the form of story-chunks. It is much like "last song syndrome" or how I can remember and sing a whole song just from hearing the first line. But if you asked me to pick it up from the middle I might not remember as much. When I read, I play out whole scenes in my head like a movie. So when I think about what I've read, sometimes it's the feeling of the movie that I remember and not the exact words. It is very personal and might not be accurate because it's already my interpretation at that point.


Is it more visual /verbal/audio ?

Verbal with lots of audio. I'm musically inclined, but I actually have a bad sense of pitch. My musical memory is more logical, I remember the patterns and not the individual notes themselves. That's why as I said above, I can recall whole tunes/ songs with the first line as trigger, but not without any obvious sequence. Visual, not so much. I'm bad at remembering faces and places. If something does not have emotional significance to me, it will probably not register. So I need verbal-logical with audio plus feeling-memory to think about and remember something.


Do multiple thoughts play out at once or are you more singular focus

Singular focus, so that even when there are several ideas they relate to one thing. This may be consciously or subconsciously. You'd be surprised at how many seemingly disconnected things I can relate to each other with my weird brand of logic (Ni). I'm bad at multitasking. The only time multiple thoughts played at once for me was when I was on antidepressants. It was distracting and might cause me to get run over by a car while crossing the road. Oh, that reminds me, I can't think or talk while crossing the road. It is very difficult for me to talk to someone while simply walking, I find it exhausting as well as distracting. Needless to say, I have no confidence that I would drive a car. Nope, not gonna risk that one. If I were to take meds again and drive, I'll be in a car wreck in no time.

That said, if I have plenty of time to work on multiple thoughts, I could string them together in such a way that I find weird connections and I don't forget anymore. My short term memory might be bad but my long term memory is extremely good. When faced with a lot of ideas, I kinda "throw" them at my subconscious - "hey, chew on this, will ya?" and a solution would show up within several days, sometimes seemingly from the middle of nowhere. Like, "oh I just remembered reading/ watching something years ago that might relate to your topic/ problem". My subconscious is always at work on some problem and my dreams, although not vivid, are emotionally charged as a result, and are often just as exhausting as waking life. Sometimes I end up waking up already tired.


When conversing with somebody - what thoughts crosses your mind- do you have any thoughts at all

Depends. If it's verbally in real life, I prefer to have all my attention on that person. Sadly that is almost never the case as they don't bother to wait for a good timing. So they usually catch me by surprise while I'm doing something else, or confuse me by interrupting my train of thought. Worse is having more than one person talk to me at the same time. I can avoid this by putting myself in "standby mode" where I do nothing except wait and observe my surroundings in case someone wants to communicate with me. I only discovered this recently, when I noted that I have a tendency to wait for a person to be completely "free" before I talk to them - that is what I prefer for myself but nobody does for me.

Most of the communication problems are "solved" if it is online, and in longhand as in forums and emails. I can take the time to read entire threads before responding, and come up with a well-thought out reply. Mostly I think about the topic and what the person I'm replying to means to me, but I end up typing an emotional and subjective response anyway. The feeling-memory is the logical glue that holds my thoughts together. It helps to have a list of ideas and things to do so I don't lose data while following one train of thought/ activity. Because once I'm engaged in one train I tend to forget about all the others.


If you speak more than one languages- which language do you verbalize in your mind

I speak Tagalog and English. My mind is in Taglish by default. When I talk to someone in real life, my thoughts are in Tagalog. When I write, my thoughts are in English. When I think to myself, my thoughts are in English, music and song lyrics (English, Japanese, some Chinese), or pure emotions. I'd learned to think in English early on to cope with school, because classes were mostly in English. What is funny about my subconscious thoughts is that they are sometimes in Japanese or Chinese because of the anime and dramas I've been watching. If I were into Korean dramas I might have been able to pick up their feeling-language. Sometimes I remember a phrase or lyric, but I have to google for the translation - and it would be spot on, exactly what I'm feeling at the moment.
 

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How vivid are your imagination?

Probably not as vivid as the others here. My imagination, even in dreams, is usually vague and is more of internal feelings than anything physical. At best there is a lot of audio, some video. No matter how vivid my dreams get, it is the emotional impact that stays with me. Nightmares are usually about feeling lost and confused. Good dreams involve connecting with other people.


what senses can you feel or use when thinking about something ?

Mostly verbal/ auditory, but having a visual helps. I learn and remember things in the form of story-chunks. It is much like "last song syndrome" or how I can remember and sing a whole song just from hearing the first line. But if you asked me to pick it up from the middle I might not remember as much. When I read, I play out whole scenes in my head like a movie. So when I think about what I've read, sometimes it's the feeling of the movie that I remember and not the exact words. It is very personal and might not be accurate because it's already my interpretation at that point.


Is it more visual /verbal/audio ?

Verbal with lots of audio. I'm musically inclined, but I actually have a bad sense of pitch. My musical memory is more logical, I remember the patterns and not the individual notes themselves. That's why as I said above, I can recall whole tunes/ songs with the first line as trigger, but not without any obvious sequence. Visual, not so much. I'm bad at remembering faces and places. If something does not have emotional significance to me, it will probably not register. So I need verbal-logical with audio plus feeling-memory to think about and remember something.


Do multiple thoughts play out at once or are you more singular focus

Singular focus, so that even when there are several ideas they relate to one thing. This may be consciously or subconsciously. You'd be surprised at how many seemingly disconnected things I can relate to each other with my weird brand of logic (Ni). I'm bad at multitasking. The only time multiple thoughts played at once for me was when I was on antidepressants. It was distracting and might cause me to get run over by a car while crossing the road. Oh, that reminds me, I can't think or talk while crossing the road. It is very difficult for me to talk to someone while simply walking, I find it exhausting as well as distracting. Needless to say, I have no confidence that I would drive a car. Nope, not gonna risk that one. If I were to take meds again and drive, I'll be in a car wreck in no time.

That said, if I have plenty of time to work on multiple thoughts, I could string them together in such a way that I find weird connections and I don't forget anymore. My short term memory might be bad but my long term memory is extremely good. When faced with a lot of ideas, I kinda "throw" them at my subconscious - "hey, chew on this, will ya?" and a solution would show up within several days, sometimes seemingly from the middle of nowhere. Like, "oh I just remembered reading/ watching something years ago that might relate to your topic/ problem". My subconscious is always at work on some problem and my dreams, although not vivid, are emotionally charged as a result, and are often just as exhausting as waking life. Sometimes I end up waking up already tired.


When conversing with somebody - what thoughts crosses your mind- do you have any thoughts at all

Depends. If it's verbally in real life, I prefer to have all my attention on that person. Sadly that is almost never the case as they don't bother to wait for a good timing. So they usually catch me by surprise while I'm doing something else, or confuse me by interrupting my train of thought. Worse is having more than one person talk to me at the same time. I can avoid this by putting myself in "standby mode" where I do nothing except wait and observe my surroundings in case someone wants to communicate with me. I only discovered this recently, when I noted that I have a tendency to wait for a person to be completely "free" before I talk to them - that is what I prefer for myself but nobody does for me.

Most of the communication problems are "solved" if it is online, and in longhand as in forums and emails. I can take the time to read entire threads before responding, and come up with a well-thought out reply. Mostly I think about the topic and what the person I'm replying to means to me, but I end up typing an emotional and subjective response anyway. The feeling-memory is the logical glue that holds my thoughts together. It helps to have a list of ideas and things to do so I don't lose data while following one train of thought/ activity. Because once I'm engaged in one train I tend to forget about all the others.


If you speak more than one languages- which language do you verbalize in your mind

I speak Tagalog and English. My mind is in Taglish by default. When I talk to someone in real life, my thoughts are in Tagalog. When I write, my thoughts are in English. When I think to myself, my thoughts are in English, music and song lyrics (English, Japanese, some Chinese), or pure emotions. I'd learned to think in English early on to cope with school, because classes were mostly in English. What is funny about my subconscious thoughts is that they are sometimes in Japanese or Chinese because of the anime and dramas I've been watching. If I were into Korean dramas I might have been able to pick up their feeling-language. Sometimes I remember a phrase or lyric, but I have to google for the translation - and it would be spot on, exactly what I'm feeling at the moment.
I really enjoyed reading your responses, I can relate to the book being like a movie memory - to a certain extent movies books and stories will eventually interplay into memories and fantasy of mine.
I find it interesting that you can remember music in different languages and catch up on the emotions of it . Pretty impressive

Can you recall taste- like if I were to ask you to recall the scent of honey Jasmine or taste of tonkatsu ramen broth

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I really enjoyed reading your responses, I can relate to the book being like a movie memory - to a certain extent movies books and stories will eventually interplay into memories and fantasy of mine.
I find it interesting that you can remember music in different languages and catch up on the emotions of it . Pretty impressive

Can you recall taste- like if I were to ask you to recall the scent of honey Jasmine or taste of tonkatsu ramen broth
My cousin is even more impressive with languages. She worked in a call center, and sometimes her clients were Chinese or Korean descent and she could overhear them discussing in the background. She studied a little Korean, not Chinese but understood the Chinese also. So she was able to make suggestions based on the comments, and convince customers to upgrade or not to cut off their internet/cable.

I mostly cannot recall taste or smell unless it is memorable for some reason (too bad or too good).

Do you get deja vu (feeling like something has happened before)? I get that a lot.
 

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Do you get deja vu (feeling like something has happened before)? I get that a lot.
When I was younger maybe?
Sometimes I'll get psychic vision like I envision something will happen and suddenly it occurs but I tend to associate that with the fact that we as human tend to notice patterns and coincidences .


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When reading, I can zone out... but when I say 'zone out' I'm still very much active, I just picked up on a part of the story and ran with it like '"It's raining," he said -- that's a pretty image, I could draw that, reminds me I need to fix my umbrella, I wonder if he has the same problem... blah blah' then I get to the bottom of the page realising I didn't absorb a word.
I completely understand this. It's got to be some amazing fiction for me to not want to go off and do something more inspiring.
 

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In the SP thread, same topic @blueRaspberries brought up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
I wonder what other terms there are for how people experience their thoughts?
I have met a person who sees music notes as color.

If I have this (I'm not sure just from reading their examples), then I have the spatial-sequence synesthesia--- how do you all experience math and numbers?
 
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In the SP thread, same topic @blue Raspberries brought up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
I wonder what other terms there are for how people experience their thoughts?
I have met a person who sees music notes as color.

If I have this (I'm not sure just from reading their examples), then I have the spatial-sequence synesthesia--- how do you all experience math and numbers?
@Hellena Handbasket has chromesthesia if I remembered correctly - also Hellena I'm very curious about how you think

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