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i know someone will disagree, but i believe it is totally possible. Humans are not computers to begin with, there's no way you can assertively tell that a person behaves exactly following the logic of Jung and MBTI theorized models. This would mean that even the cognitive functions system which constitutes the basis of a personality type is not as strict and rigid as we like to think it is.

Is there someone who believes they've changed their functions (and types along with em), perhaps during growth? What do you think about my statements? As far as i'm concerned, i think i could have changed them myself. I'm sure i've at least changed their order at some point (i even display a lot of looping behaviors). I think that when i was a child i was closer to the ENFP type, but then i started growing more and more introverted to the point that functions switched places, and right now there's no doubt i'm an introvert. Anyone with similar experiences?
 

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I don't think it is very likely... I'm not a computer either, but I can't use my legs to eat (yet :p)

But, as you grow up, you develop. And so do your functions. First you use your main functions, and later in life you start using the other functions more and more.
For example: I was very talkative and a clown when I was a kid, but the older I got, the more quiet I became around people.
I actually did mistype as intp a lot, and still do.
Maby we Enxp types start out as fun, talkative kids using Ne (which is a strange Extroverted function) later, when we start developing Ti/Fi more, we start to become more quiet. Since Ne doesn't realy need people, and Ti and Fi don't either.

Also, your environment, childhood, friends, etc. Do influence your personality, not just your cognitive functions. They are just some base building blocks.

Ah well, that's just the way I look at it, and I'm no Carl Jung
 

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I wouldn't say that functions change per se, but everyone has all functions to some extent and you can develop some more than others. The ones in your stack are those that you naturally lean on and will develop of their own accord, but studies or work might cause you to develop other talents as well (my major preferred Ti and elements of my job prefer Si; I can use these after a fashion, but they are definitely not preferred and are much weaker than they would be in dominant users of these functions). It is possible that an xNFP could have stronger Ne at a young age, and over time shift to have stronger Fi.
 

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I believe that your functions are not really shaped til you are a teen.So many people get completely different (in terms of functions) as they grow up. But I don't think that there's actually room to change after you are 15-16.You develop other functions better and you get more mature,but the main functions are stable.
For example my older brother was a VERY extroverted ENTP as a child.But now he is a VERY introverted INTP.
Personally I was always an INTJ but I was a lot more Fi as a child than I am now.. My functions were like Ni Fi Te Se.
Also when I was 13-15 I had a phase that I was a lot more extroverted than I normally am.Then suddenly I became a total introvert
 

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I agree with you that the cognitive function theorem is taken a lot more rigidly than it probably should be, and as people develop the new experiences they go through will lead them to behave in different manners as they grow and develop. Still, outside of trauma, I don't believe that functions change. While a person develops over time, they may obtain new traits, new flaws, new talents and new skills, but deep down they're still them unless they've undergone a traumatic experience that literally changes the way their brain processes information. The experience that you suggest sounds more like maturation than actual type changing, although if a type were to change, it would most likely change from introverted to extroverted and vise versa, since that doesn't really mess with preferences too much.
 

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I can use every cognitive function with equal strength, my ability to tap into every avenue of the brain unparralled. It's a blessing and curse, and my initials are JC, so I've come to some pretty obvious conclusions.

 
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It's just not natural, you'll feel exhausted and want to go back, it's hard to maintain functions you don't naturally use. Also you have to concentrate to tap into them in the first place.
 

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Humans are closer to computers than you think.

Anyways, I don't think someone can change functions. Believing in such seems like wishful thinking of someone who doesn't like the functions attributed to their type. Now using functions aside from your four main functions, sure, I can get behind that, but that is a different thing from "changing functions".

I also don't have evidence nor interest in proving my point of view, so I will just leave it at that.
 

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Humans are closer to computers than you think.

Believing in such seems like wishful thinking of someone who doesn't like the functions attributed to their type.

no no, i didn't mean anything of that. The reason why i started considering this eventuality is because i was thinking about looping and other occurences in which functions switch places. I thought that if the places are malleable, maybe the other aspects are too, but i obviously understand that it would be more difficult. Also, i must admit that one reason why i wanted to know your opinions is because i was trying to understand if this theory could partially explain how the hell i turned out to be what i am now lol
 

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I can use every cognitive function with equal strength, my ability to tap into every avenue of the brain unparralled. It's a blessing and curse, and my initials are JC, so I've come to some pretty obvious conclusions.
:laughing: Please hold on a minute while I grovel in worship! [To the reader: count one minute in solemn reverence for @rpmcmurphy47]

In response to the OP: I think the answer to your question really depends on the theory you subscribe to. I originally tested (consistently) as an INTJ, then (consistently) as an INTP, and eventually as an INFJ (again, consistently). There are several ways of explaining it:

One possibility is that my order of preference for the functions changed from Ni, Te, Fi, Se, to a more prominent Ti, to a tertiary Ti and more prominent Ni-Fe. If this is your way of reasoning it out then that means that I would have basically changed functions.

Another possibility is that I have a set of strong functions (say Ni, Ti, Fe, Fi, or something...) that have changed order and affected my test results. This could explain the different results to an extent, and wouldn't require any momentous/pivotal change in the ordering of all my functions.

It also could be that the tests focused more heavily on dichotomies and that my F/T and J/P dichotomies are not pronounced, so changes in my environment were enough to nudge me into a different type.

I personally am not sure that it makes sense to talk about all 8 functions in a single individual. The reason I say that is because the functions are not fully dissociated and tend to overlap quite a bit. This means that Fi-like thoughts and behavior can be achieved by an Fe-dom simply by combining Fe with an introverted perception function. I'm not convinced that each of the 8 functions corresponds to an identifiable pattern of brain activity or anything of the sort, and short of that there's no way of telling whether one person's Fi corresponds to another's in any concrete way.

That was a long-winded way of saying that I don't buy any of the 3 explanations that I've outlined above.

I think that functions build on themselves from an early age. If you, for whatever reason, start using Te as a toddler, then that part of your brain will develop, people will praise Te behavior in you, and you will be able to meet an increasing number of your daily needs with Te, so why bother with Fe? or Ti?

As you mature though, you'll gain self-awareness, and that will lead you to try to compensate for the short-comings of Te by looking first to Si or Ni, (not Ne/Se and Fi since the tert and inf functions emerge as shadows alongside the dom and aux), and then eventually you will seek to emulate the benefits of Fe, Ti, etc that you see in others. Over this period of self-criticism/self-discovery you're likely to identify more with the functions that you're paying the most attention to. BUT Te is so deeply rooted in your thought process that it's still at the core of your personality, even though you might not see it.

TL;DR I think most people are stuck with a system of only 4 functions by the time they're teenagers. I'm not saying it's impossible for functions to change, but I do believe that there's a self-reinforcing mechanism that makes it very unlikely. Changes in type are more likely a result of self-discovery and/or mistyping.
 

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i know someone will disagree, but i believe it is totally possible. Humans are not computers to begin with, there's no way you can assertively tell that a person behaves exactly following the logic of Jung and MBTI theorized models. This would mean that even the cognitive functions system which constitutes the basis of a personality type is not as strict and rigid as we like to think it is.

Is there someone who believes they've changed their functions (and types along with em), perhaps during growth? What do you think about my statements? As far as i'm concerned, i think i could have changed them myself. I'm sure i've at least changed their order at some point (i even display a lot of looping behaviors). I think that when i was a child i was closer to the ENFP type, but then i started growing more and more introverted to the point that functions switched places, and right now there's no doubt i'm an introvert. Anyone with similar experiences?
I don't think it is possible for functions to shift and types to change IF you have been typed correctly in the first place. Even if you have grown more extroverted or introverted over the years, it doesn't mean you have suddenly change type. You could have become more sociable/reclusive due to environmental changes/maturing but you are still "you" at the core (this should not change). For e.g., I'm definitely much more sociable than when I was younger but I'm still an INFJ. I'm still introverted.
 

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I don't think one can tap into shadow functions. If you went from ENFP to more of an INFP, you didn't tap into new functions. You simply developed the Fi that was already there as you got older.

Functions develop along with us. When I was a kid I was very imaginative, so it would seem that I used my Ne more than Fi. I also spent a lot of time alone and read fantasy, so I was using my Fi but not in a "personal ideal" sense but in an introverted sense. I was also very bossy up until my teens, so I always thought I was a T. I was just relying a lot on my Te, that's all. I "related" to different MB types but they all shared the same functions: Fi, Ne, Si, and Te in some order. I never related to Fe/Ti or Ni/Se.

I don't think I would know how to use Ni/Se. Or Ti/Fe. It's such a foreign way of thinking, and my own functions already keep me busy enough. As an enneagram 4, I am already prone to self-rejection and I want to focus my energies on accepting myself and not spending time wishing I had other functions. I'm not saying you're doing that but that's how I look at it for myself. :)

Ultimately, I wasn't satisfied with my type until I truly found my "home" in the INFP. We aren't the rainbow idealists that we seem to be in some profiles but I can't imagine myself being any other type and I have tried! Maybe you're not an INFP? :)
 

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I don't think one can tap into shadow functions. Maybe you're not an INFP? :)
I had some doubts at first, but now i'm sure. If i don't accept myself is not cause of my type, and even if i don't like the way i am i still find it very important to continue understanding more more who i am deep inside, even if the answer displeases me. What i meant before is just that by looking at how my younger self behaved in a more Ne dominant way (a lot similarly to your experience as you described it, actually) i have found a pretext to explore the way i change, and how human beings change in general, by applying Jung
 

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Nope.

I understand that people may find function theory a little too restrictive but it actually isn't. The four functions you have are more than sufficient for you to do anything you want or think up anything you want. But this whole ''I'm an ENxP with well developed Ni'' is total crap. You don't know what Ni is (except on paper) and you never will. And that's actually okay, your Ne/Si axis takes care of your entire perception process and you don't need Ni (or Se). If you came up with a single revolutionary abstract idea, that wasn't Ni, it's your Ne/Si being capable of much more than you think.

Oddly enough, I find that ''Oh I used this specific function for this specific thought or action'' to be actually much more restrictive in nature than being bound to four functions. It makes it sound as though all 8 functions are neat little, separate buttons you can push on your brain when time calls for it.
 

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Nope.

I understand that people may find function theory a little too restrictive but it actually isn't. The four functions you have are more than sufficient for you to do anything you want or think up anything you want. But this whole ''I'm an ENxP with well developed Ni'' is total crap. You don't know what Ni is (except on paper) and you never will. And that's actually okay, your Ne/Si axis takes care of your entire perception process and you don't need Ni (or Se). If you came up with a single revolutionary abstract idea, that wasn't Ni, it's your Ne/Si being capable of much more than you think.

Oddly enough, I find that ''Oh I used this specific function for this specific thought or action'' to be actually much more restrictive in nature than being bound to four functions. It makes it sound as though all 8 functions are neat little, separate buttons you can push on your brain when time calls for it.
Sounds plausible on the surface of theory, but I'd counter that with objectively subjective truth, because I'm certain my particular functions go in this order: Ni-Ne-Fi-Te. However, I have a 5th "main" function as well and it's a strange, intertwined Si/Se combo that my brain subconsciously calls upon when needed. I don't know if maybe there's an extra sliver or attachment within my brain that allows this strange process to ensue within me, but it's a wild ride.

Sometimes I'll be sitting pensively, pondering something random and suddenly, without warning, I'll see myself standing over myself--some paradoxical, existential duplicity, where I can converse with another corporeal version of myself. This only happens when I'm deep in thought, inactive, inertia near paralyzing. I've tried to create this scenario consciously, but an active, aware mind prevents this possibility. I'm sure there are others who have 5 "main" functions, or maybe 6, 7 or even all 8. It's just a matter of us tapping into the secret compartments of our brain, and allowing our incredible potential to flourish and expand--but the doubt halts this manifestation. I think we all have this ability, but the supposed "reality" within reality is a veiled construct of imprisonment.
 

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@rpmcmurphy47:
It's not about ability. There aren't any super-humans with 8 main functions. In fact, that doesn't fit with any of the rest of the theory.

If it helps you to think in terms of distinct functions as "abilities" then that's ok, but it doesn't make much sense to me. But I'm wondering what makes you say that you are a strong Ni user and whether you might want to revisit that...
 

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I too would have to disagree.

For example, I know how Ne works when I'm talking to my Ne using friends, and I can use it in a similar way to keep the conversation going, but it's not something that comes as natural to me. The word 'natural' is something to pay attention to, as it's the word that is essentially vital to understanding why we have four functions. I believe we use all the functions, but as many pointed out, there is an obvious bias towards the main four, we a slightly weaker indicator for the 4th one, it rears it's head, but just not in a positive way until you learn how to incorporate it. I don't think you'll enhance the function as well as someone whom has it as a dominant function, mind you, but to me, the idea of developing your four functions is akin to improving through your experiences in life.
 

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I don't think one can tap into shadow functions.

I was also very bossy up until my teens, so I always thought I was a T. I was just relying a lot on my Te, that's all.
agreed

i have Ti... i wonder why thats i dont come off as a bossy 8... er... at least... i dont think i do... and if i do... its got 'couth'... at least i think it does... haaha... (ugh... im so terrible at self perception unless one catches me in the act and raises the issue... fuckin 5th Si)
 
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