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So, I've been looking around the internet and delving into topics about INTJs and it's rare that remarks about INTJ planning and foresight skills aren't made. It makes feel humble and uncertain if I really am an INTJ. If possible, I'd really like some insight and surefire ways to know if one is an INTJ. Have you ever doubted your personality type or feel like You've been mistyped?
 

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I know your feels bro.
When I first stumbled on this forum I tested as an INTJ and lots seemed to fit. However this whole intuitive "knowing without knowing" and the general intense introversion seemed like it didn't fit me. The INTP forum at the time resonated more but as time went on I realized they were a bit too emo and disinterested in domination for my liking.

I fell upon ENTJ despite never thinking I came off like a hardcore extrovert. But looking at myself, I realized that I had always had good people skills, and tended to lead or at least not be led unless I wanted to. I realized that I gravitated to INTP because they too were a thinking dominate type, but it was just more theoretical while I tend to be more empirical. Essentially I am concerned with seeing big picture and with piecing real world examples together and simplifying things to their most essential aspects.

So yes I doubted my type for a long time. Honestly I didn't really read into it too much at first. I just took what seemed like it could help me in my attempt to understand myself better and ran with it. When I started to read more about it and had a better grasp the doubt was no longer there. But it's like any new task - you know you're not an expert when you just start. As you do it more your confidence in your ability grows.
 

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So to give some info to INTJs who may be struggling to accept their identity, I'll give you my retrospection.

I know I was typed as an INFJ for a couple of years, mainly because that is what the tests told me, and I really resonated with having dominant Ni, and inferior Se.
But the more I looked at it, I don't think I ever really used Fe and Ti, at least not to the preferred extent an INFJ does.

First off, I realized that I had the potential to sympathize with people, not necessarily empathize with them (empathy is making the feelings of other people your own). Fe users sometimes have trouble separating their own feelings from others.
I never really had that problem, as I could always know how I felt about something deep down. My time on this forum told me that I had deep feelings (as most INTJs do), but they have a really hard time expressing them. When I get vengeful, I can get vengeful. As such, I sometimes have a habit of jumping to conclusions about someone's intentions with me. I know personally, I've "jumped the gun" a few times, and said quite a few harsh things that could've been explained away with some context from the other party involved.

INFJs are also concerned about ethics, and how other people should behave (Fe).
I primarily judge others by my own morals (Fi).

Second, I realized that I misunderstood what Ti really was.
Introverted Thinking is being able to come up with your own insights, through an internal system of logic.
I never could do that effectively, and I always needed to constantly verify my beliefs and conclusions for me to adopt them. I am far too unsure of my own thinking to be considered a Ti user. I care far more about the conclusions I make, than the actual process of getting there.
Te is also known for categorizing and prioritizing external information. I always had a knack for improvisation (and remaining calm under pressure to get the job done effectively), and I often organize my days to spend the least amount energy possible on things I don't want to do, or things I find time consuming. The quicker I can get those things done, the more content I am.

I also have been verified a few times to be INTJ.
As I became more of a healthy individual (when I am working towards my goals), I realized my testing results began to change significantly. I moved away from INFJ, to INTP and INTJ.
I ended up going to Cognitive Personality Theory (an INFJ with a highly developed Ti, something that I identified with). We exchanged emails for a couple of weeks. At the end, he was very certain that I was an INTJ, even though I described to him that I felt I was an INFJ.

Hell, I'm even a beta tester for C.S. Joseph's personality assessment (despite what some people here think of him), and I've taken the test several times. Each time, I scored as an INTJ.

Once I looked past the INTJ stereotypes, I came to identify with INTJs more and more.
I am still not a huge fan with how INTJs are portrayed throughout the internet. We are not masterminds, nor assholes.
I was never quite as blunt as the INTJ stereotypes make us out to be. It's good to be blunt with the truth, but it is also important to be tactful.
I sometimes fail at this, but I don't see being an asshole as a virtue. It just ends up getting in the way of what you want to do generally.
I also attribute this to life experience. Trust me, where I lived, you didn't want to go around, pissing the wrong types of people off. You could end up getting other people involved in something they never agreed to...

If you foster good relationships with people (even in my case, where it is as little as a handful of people), it makes life a lot easier. I would rather this course of action than getting into fights constantly. Fights are draining.
That being said, I have no problem getting into a fight with someone when I think they are really wrong about something. I've had many former classmates, and even some family members block me on social media because I disagreed with them publicly on a variety of subjects. I can tell that even my father is nervous to get into a entanglement with me, and he noted I can be very aggressive and blunt.

So I guess some of the INTJ stereotypes are not entirely fictional after all.

But that is my story with how I came to realize I was an INTJ. After I realized this fact, I think I became a lot more secure with myself than when I identified as an INFJ.
 

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I am interested in opinions here as well. Anyways I for most of the time, type as INTP on online tests. Going by descriptions, I can see a bit of myself in both profiles. Now due to all that, I seeked some external opinions based on some questionnaires here(people here typed be between these 2 types as well), tried using correlation between personality systems and came to the conclusion that it can't be as simple as that. When I have asked people I know in real life, even then I have actually got varying results. My brother thinks I am INTP, dad thinks INTJ, mother INFP and my uncle thinks I am ISTP, based on profile or so. However I can relate to ILI profile in socionics much better than INTJ in MBTI.
 

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How to know if one is INTJ or not? hmmm!
First one should (rather must) conduct research into different theories such as socionics , MBTI , Jungian theory and what not.( I am not saying that one should get a PhD in all those theories). Then one would be able to select a theory as a standard for testing self. One should test self on that specific theory and if that testing concludes that one is INTJ then one is INTJ according to that theory. If not then not.
It is ridiculous to go around testing oneself on different theories and expect all of tests to conclude that one is INTJ. Different theories have different assumptions and these tests are different.
"Oh !I am aggressive .Guess I am INTJ."
"I am a narcissistic. I t means I am INTJ."
"I have always wanted to dominate the world.Well that makes me INTJ."
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Understand the theory then take the test. Use the tool for what is is and what it measures. Don't associate things with the test what is it not capable of measuring.

"Carl Jung :
There is no such thing as a pure introvert or extrovert. Such a person would be in the lunatic asylum. "
 

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Read a book from the founders ie. Myers with Gifts Differing and those who have been contributing to the development of MBTI recently and take some of the most reliable tests that test you at flow, not at stress between questions.
 

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I’ve been struggling with this too for years on and off. But it’s only because I never bothered to read deeply into each cognitive functions. I’ve always been interested but never fully. It was my mistake not to delve deeper when I should’ve done so years ago. Unlike others here who’ve typed as something else first, I’ve always typed as INTJ no matter what test I take. I also have been typed here years ago through a questionnaire. It was never about mistyping but more about feeling useless and too inferior to accept that I’m even remotely an INTJ. However, at first and for years, I’ve been content with that because I was growing up, heading to the direction I wanted. I was, I felt, succeeding in life; I felt capable, and so I must be INTJ. But now I’m a little stuck in a rut and recently felt so un-INTJ lol. But I couldn’t be more wrong. It’s not about being invincible or feeling confident and capable.

I just made my own type me thread again a few days ago, actually. Afterwards, I had an interesting (and still do, I just suck at replying) talk with @witty regarding cognitive functions and INTJ typing.

Suffice it to say that my doubts are pretty much gone. Those stemmed from insecurity. Much like you, I thought I wasn’t as intensely productive or consistently capable as an INTJ is supposed to be, as portrayed by those profile descriptions online. I felt too mellow to be such an intense type. I’m not as unfriendly and lonesome as the profiles would suggest. But through looking at how I display each cognitive functions, and even how I display Se when I’m not in the best of moods and place in life, it’s telling (just based on what stupid things I indulge in when stressed...). I’m not my best at the moment. I feel a little useless (thanks, pandemic) but it’s okay. We aren’t meant to be robots.

I say don’t rely on the INTJ descriptions or you’ll forever see the type as a character. Some sort of villainous asshole. Instead, study the cognitive functions and be true to yourself when you apply them to you. Don’t just study Ni-Te-Fi-Se, study their counterparts too. Figure out your primary and auxiliary functions. Verify it yourself, you know yourself best. These online tests don’t. It will either feel right or not.
 

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I’ve been struggling with this too for years on and off. But it’s only because I never bothered to read deeply into each cognitive functions. I’ve always been interested but never fully. It was my mistake not to delve deeper when I should’ve done so years ago. Unlike others here who’ve typed as something else first, I’ve always typed as INTJ no matter what test I take. I also have been typed here years ago through a questionnaire. It was never about mistyping but more about feeling useless and too inferior to accept that I’m even remotely an INTJ. However, at first and for years, I’ve been content with that because I was growing up, heading to the direction I wanted. I was, I felt, succeeding in life; I felt capable, and so I must be INTJ. But now I’m a little stuck in a rut and recently felt so un-INTJ lol. But I couldn’t be more wrong. It’s not about being invincible or feeling confident and capable.

I just made my own type me thread again a few days ago, actually. Afterwards, I had an interesting (and still do, I just suck at replying) talk with @witty regarding cognitive functions and INTJ typing.

Suffice it to say that my doubts are pretty much gone. Those stemmed from insecurity. Much like you, I thought I wasn’t as intensely productive or consistently capable as an INTJ is supposed to be, as portrayed by those profile descriptions online. I felt too mellow to be such an intense type. I’m not as unfriendly and lonesome as the profiles would suggest. But through looking at how I display each cognitive functions, and even how I display Se when I’m not in the best of moods and place in life, it’s telling (just based on what stupid things I indulge in when stressed...). I’m not my best at the moment. I feel a little useless (thanks, pandemic) but it’s okay. We aren’t meant to be robots.

I say don’t rely on the INTJ descriptions or you’ll forever see the type as a character. Some sort of villainous asshole. Instead, study the cognitive functions and be true to yourself when you apply them to you. Don’t just study Ni-Te-Fi-Se, study their counterparts too. Figure out your primary and auxiliary functions. Verify it yourself, you know yourself best. These online tests don’t. It will either feel right or not.
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I’ve been struggling with this too for years on and off. But it’s only because I never bothered to read deeply into each cognitive functions. I’ve always been interested but never fully. It was my mistake not to delve deeper when I should’ve done so years ago.
Yes. Right. Research the functions. Clear difference between perceiving functions and deciding functions, clear difference between internal and external directions.
 

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The truth is, that no matter how hard you try, you can't be certain about your type.
First of all, the person who has the most insight into you, is yourself. So asking help from others is much more uncertain, since they can only percieve what you let out. They cannot possibly know your mental framework.
But here is the twist: If your biggest help is yourself, then you rely on yourself, but if someone' primary focus is on themselves, then it is called subjective. Now, What happens when you judge something subjectively? It relfects all of you. Your flaws and biases as well, and no one is free from their own flaws and biases. Thus, the biggest help (yourself) is also biased to some extent. As you can see, no matter where you go, there is no certain answer in this topic.

Because mbti is not an accepted science, mbti does not have any objective measurments, which can shed light to true or false. A field where you can only rely on "what resonates with me most" will always be a biased field. The best thing you can do is to not take this mbti thing too seriously, and don't believe what you see, because it has no evidence. More than 90% of this forum is also mistyped anyways. So I see a person here with a type tag, and I instantly don't believe it.
And I won't say that I'm properly typed either, because I did the exact same thing I just wrote. Not that anyone have better options.
 

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A field where you can only rely on "what resonates with me most" will always be a biased field. The best thing you can do is to not take this mbti thing too seriously, and don't believe what you see, because it has no evidence. More than 90% of this forum is also mistyped anyways.
Right. I agree. It's subjective. And it's pseudoscience.

Look at the thread where people admit to being arrogant: INTJ, INTP, ENTP, ISFP, ENTJ so far. Any person can be arrogant for their own reasons and justify it according to function or type. The responses also depend on which forum the thread gets posted to, who reads it, and who relates to the premise enough to reply.

Did you ever look up objectivepersonality.com? Costs money to join. Claims to offer peer review of videos (of you) until the group concludes (objectively) what your type is. It's supposed to remove self-bias, but it can't succeed because you choose how to act in your videos.

The organization then proceeds to ruin its credibility by inventing an additional theory (blast, sleep, consume, play) that is just as much pseudoscience as MBTI.

I think all of this is bull****. The only value I find is this: You choose a type based on self-evaluation and personal preferences, then you stick to those sets of behavior in order to present yourself in a consistent manner to other people.

(BTW you cannot prove that 90% of the people here are mis-typed. That statement comes across as purposely provocative.)

I'm tired of it. It's ridiculous that people come here and beg strangers to tell them who they are, ask them to solve their personal problems. Eh...
 

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(BTW you cannot prove that 90% of the people here are mis-typed. That statement comes across as purposely provocative.)
I can't prove it, but do I need to?
Anyone with just slightly more knowledge of type theory than the basic, can tell this, if they look around.
Why would I dumb myself down, and say that "It isn't measured so we don't know" while this phenomenon is perfectly noticable for literally anyone who is not an ignorant post modern trash?
Society suffers really too much because of this mindset. A large amount of shit would be avoidable if we wouldn't be so accepting and trusting.

Like there is this analogy: You see two masked man, with guns, approaching your house at night. So, yes, we can't prove it that they are not here for a surprise party, and their guns fire confetti, but it is highly unlikely according to previous cases like this and the signs we can see crystal clearly. I for myself, would not be so trusting to let them in, just because I don't have an official document that they came because they want to party hard. The same can apply to this forum as well. There are obvious sings of acting like a certain type, there are obvious signs that they are pretending, there are obvious signs that they don't know shit about this type theory, and there are obvious signs that they don't know shit about themselves. Flip it: Why don't THEY prove to ME that they are not mistyped? After all, I'm the one who noticed these signs, and I'm the one who they want to cooperate with their self image. And I won't do it until I don't have a reason to do it. The untrue won't be true because people feel good about it.

Aside from this, this part is:
I'm tired of it. It's ridiculous that people come here and beg strangers to tell them who they are, ask them to solve their personal problems. Eh...
really true. And pissing me of for a long time. This phenomenon killed this forum for me. You know what's more ridiculous? I tried to help typing people. Writing analysis to them, since I read an insane amount of things about type theory. And people here refuse to accept their type if they don't like it. There are obvious signs that they using certain functions, but if they don't like the answers they get, they just start another thread and stating that the previous thread was wrong, because they answered the questions while they were sleepy and bullshit like this. I quitted trying to help people here. This is why not knowing yourself is dangerous, and they worsen their case by adapting characteristics and workings from the wrong types, and this leads to much more unhealthiness than they already have. So it is just hopeless. It is better to be an asshole on this forum, who stand up against misinformation and ignorancy in an ugly, and cruel way. After all, most people don't deserve any kind of support and kindness here. They don't even want it. They want to use others to justify their false beliefs and wrong typing. It is quite ironic that a forum, which is about self knowledge, has nothing to do with actual self knowledge and people happily neglecting the tinyest amount of learning.
 

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Empirical evidence supports your hypothesis in general, but I haven't counted the number of suspected mis-types in the population. Perhaps you have determined the exact percentage. I'm not that interested in proving what it is.

I tried to help typing people. Writing analysis to them, since I read an insane amount of things about type theory. And people here refuse to accept their type if they don't like it. There are obvious signs that they using certain functions, but if they don't like the answers they get, they just start another thread...
Waste of time. They don't want to read and learn about the theory.

Same thing with personal problems. You give advice, but they don't return and post an update after trying your suggestion -- because they didn't try it. Some people don't want to solve their problems, they just want to complain.

They want to use others to justify their false beliefs and wrong typing. It is quite ironic that a forum, which is about self knowledge, has nothing to do with actual self knowledge and people happily neglecting the tinyest amount of learning.
And if you try to engage them in debate, they get angry.
 

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Having established the above conclusion, shall we offer some constructive discussion regarding the original post? Like I said, MBTI gives me a framework for consistent behavior. INTJ resonates with me inside. However, I don't limit myself to that behavior. I use whatever skills I have with cognitive traits, depending on the situation. Why not? So, I break all those stereotypes of INTJ. I can be E or S or F or P if I want. I can flip my "e's" for "i's.". I do it purposefully. So, does that make me less of an INTJ? Or more? It doesn't matter. Learning and using the theory to improve my understanding has been worth the effort, but getting stuck on an ideology is limiting and therefore foolish.
 

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The truth is, that no matter how hard you try, you can't be certain about your type.
First of all, the person who has the most insight into you, is yourself. So asking help from others is much more uncertain, since they can only percieve what you let out. They cannot possibly know your mental framework.
But here is the twist: If your biggest help is yourself, then you rely on yourself, but if someone' primary focus is on themselves, then it is called subjective. Now, What happens when you judge something subjectively? It relfects all of you. Your flaws and biases as well, and no one is free from their own flaws and biases. Thus, the biggest help (yourself) is also biased to some extent. As you can see, no matter where you go, there is no certain answer in this topic.

Because mbti is not an accepted science, mbti does not have any objective measurments, which can shed light to true or false. A field where you can only rely on "what resonates with me most" will always be a biased field. The best thing you can do is to not take this mbti thing too seriously, and don't believe what you see, because it has no evidence. More than 90% of this forum is also mistyped anyways. So I see a person here with a type tag, and I instantly don't believe it.
And I won't say that I'm properly typed either, because I did the exact same thing I just wrote. Not that anyone have better options.
This is untrue for most.
 

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If you are honest with yourself, you know yourself better than anyone else because you know your thoughts and feelings, even those you hide from other people. You can put on an act for other people, and most of us do, because it works to our advantage.

But I think I know how ponpiri might be correct:

Most people are dishonest with themselves. They believe that the act they put on is their real self. They cannot admit they are less admirable than the person they pretend to be. They are ashamed to admit their weaknesses and attempts to manipulate others. They are too lazy or stupid to correct their behavior.

Why, if not for admitting and correcting our errors, do we study psychology? It is a search for wellness.

The person inside -- the self-concept -- may be distorted by delusion or fear of accepting the truth. The person outside -- the behavior -- is always an act, to some extent, but it defines who we are to others. Both are important.

Do they need to be in perfect congruence? That is open to debate. Personally, I don't think so. I approve of acting. It gives me social attractiveness. But I hold my inner self to be honest and accountable to me.
 

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How? You don't own your own mind? Do someone exist, who know your inner thoughts and feelings before you know them yourself? Please don't be ridiculous. Thanks
You're in need of imagination or more contact with others so you can learn from their experiences.

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This phenomenon killed this forum for me. You know what's more ridiculous? I tried to help typing people. Writing analysis to them, since I read an insane amount of things about type theory. And people here refuse to accept their type if they don't like it. There are obvious signs that they using certain functions, but if they don't like the answers they get, they just start another thread and stating that the previous thread was wrong, because they answered the questions while they were sleepy and bullshit like this. I quitted trying to help people here. This is why not knowing yourself is dangerous, and they worsen their case by adapting characteristics and workings from the wrong types, and this leads to much more unhealthiness than they already have. So it is just hopeless. It is better to be an asshole on this forum, who stand up against misinformation and ignorancy in an ugly, and cruel way. After all, most people don't deserve any kind of support and kindness here. They don't even want it. They want to use others to justify their false beliefs and wrong typing. It is quite ironic that a forum, which is about self knowledge, has nothing to do with actual self knowledge and people happily neglecting the tinyest amount of learning.
The What's My Personality Type subforum is more like the Intros subforum. It's a nice place to start on PersonalityCafe. Yes, you're right in that there are many who either do not care enough or are just opposed to learning a bit more about typology theory, but to extend your perception of their thoughts onto the rest of the forum's members might be overreaching. Quite a few people here have done, and continue to do introspection on who they really are; some even realize that they are mistyped.

Many on that subforum are just starting to visit this forum, hence, you can see that they have very few posts made. Those that you talk about who do not accept their typing often just never read the rest of the information so available everywhere else. Just look through their latest activity :)
 
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