That's kind of the point. It seems draining because your thinking is off-kilter, and the only ways to fix it are to either let it play through until Ti-Ni wears out (which can take years), or force Se/Fe back up even though it's out of character for you. On the upside, you'll actually feel refreshed and clearheaded after you change things up a while.@JB Nobody
Wow. Very good examples. But I have few questions.
Okay, say I have a cold shower today and eat spicy food? But then what? My mind will go again to the Ti-Ni loop. So I guess the right thing would be to engage a full day with those kind of activities? Sounds quite draining....
Also, regarding the social activity to call a person who I havent seen for months or listening to shit I am not interested...doesn't sound too attractive. Whats the take on it?
Still. Awesome input!
Intresting post again.That's kind of the point. It seems draining because your thinking is off-kilter, and the only ways to fix it are to either let it play through until Ti-Ni wears out (which can take years), or force Se/Fe back up even though it's out of character for you. On the upside, you'll actually feel refreshed and clearheaded after you change things up a while.
EDIT: Also, don't torture yourself by trying to do everything at once. Alter one or two of your routines, see how it goes for a day or two. If you're still struggling with the loop, add another item or two. Repeat until the loop breaks. Try to balance the Se ones with the Fe ones, too.
How do you know when you're in the Ti-Ni loop?So how do you know when you are out of the Ti-Ni loop?
If you think previous examples are great but aren't long lasting, doesn't that automatically mean going back into a loop is inevitable?Is it true that it can come back from one day to another? If yes, then taking so much Se actions for a year seems "worthless"
So what you're saying is that breaking the routine helps you to snap out of your loop but certain situations(like meeting attractive women) put you back or into a different loop.it triggers my Ti-Ni loop. Specially with some women I find attractive. It's like all these things that I do out of routine seem useless when certain women show up. Whats happening here?
When you stop overthinking things, and asking the questions you're asking now. You'll feel more confident with your hunches, answers to your own problems will come naturally. You'll feel "in the moment", and not so stressed out by "what-ifs". You'll flirt with the women you're interested in (and some you're not), without really even trying.Intresting post again.
So how do you know when you are out of the Ti-Ni loop?
Not really come back one day to another, but it can ebb and flow, from being an annoyance to seriously crippling your ability to accomplish anything. It seems worthless, because your Ti-Ni loop is focused on the hopelessness of your efforts, and won't let you see the benefits. If it did, you wouldn't be stuck in the loop in the first place.Is it true that it can come back from one day to another? If yes, then taking so much Se actions for a year seems "worthless"
Going to a place isn't the same as exercising your Se/Fe. You're going to the club, but instead of embracing the environment and the people, you're hiding inside your head, talking with yourself instead of those around you. Same with shopping or going to the cinema, you need to interact and absorb the environment with enough effort to quiet that voice of negativity/failure in your head. You don't have to be the center of attention, just immerse yourself in the environment. A good start is to tap your foot to the music, savor your drink, make eye contact with others, tell war stories and jokes, even if they seem hopelessly lame.Its funny. Because sometimes I alter my routine by going alone to nightclubs, going alone to shopping, going alone to the cinema and shit like that but when certain things happen, it triggers my Ti-Ni loop. Specially with some women I find attractive. It's like all these things that I do out of routine seem useless when certain women show up. Whats happening here?
Oh my God I'm saving this note. Very practical.This comes up regularly, so you'll find a ton of examples by searching the ISTP forum and reading older threads.
In a nutshell, you're going to have to find ways to stimulate Se and Fe at every opportunity. That's a pain, but recognizing that you're in the loop is usually the most difficult part. Most of the solution will seem pretty alien and "not like you", but that's kind of the point. You have to emphasize them in order to break the strong grip of a Ti-Ni loop.
Don't assume you have to take up skydiving or jump into the "life of the party" role, because that's more likely to discourage you. It's usually easier and more successful to adjust your everyday routines. A few simple changes can pull you out of a loop just as effectively as drastic "mid-life crisis" changes.
Of course, the effective adjustments depend on whatever your current routine is, but some easy ones:
- Take teeth-chattering cold showers instead of warm ones. Warm ones let you spin up the squirrel cage in your head, and start your day off with a whole list of unnecessary negativity. Cold ones force you to focus on getting clean and getting out rapidly, and charge your Se even while you're finishing your morning routine, as you try to warm up.
- Eat spicy foods (especially if you normally avoid them). Throw some horseradish or cayenne into your mac 'n cheese. Put taco sauce on your burger instead of ketchup. If you normally eat spicy foods, eat something different, outside your usual routine. It shouldn't be something repulsive (dancing squid!), just outside your comfort level. If you're not a big fan of mustard, add mustard to things. If you normally pass on pickles or onions (but they don't make you gag), order pickles or onions on items. If you normally pass on a certain ethnic food (or have never tried something), consciously add it to your weekly menu.
- Break the daily work/home routine. Walk places you normally drive (take a cab, bus, etc.), but aren't unreasonable to walk. You don't have to make it a marathon, just make it different. Use stairs instead of elevators. If you regularly stop for milk at the corner store, go home first, and walk to the store instead. Walk to a nearby restaurant for lunch, if you have time at work. Go inside instead of drive-thru. Park your car instead of picking up your mail from the driver's window. If you have a small shopping list, use a basket instead of a cart. They're small things, but they add up, and force you to think about your body and environment more than the loop.
- Exercise in a different environment. If you normally walk or run with music, take the earbuds out and listen to the world around you. If you don't normally listen to music, add it to your walks, preferably with nostalgic songs that trigger strong emotions. If you normally avoid people while walking/running, make a point to nod, wave, or even stop and chat with a neighbor.
- Call your relatives/friends. As an ISTP, you probably don't do that enough anyway, so make a point to call your parents or siblings twice a week. You don't have to talk about whatever's bothering you (it's usually better if you focus on more external events), just converse about anything. Be an active participant in the conversation, don't do the usual ISTP "listen and grunt" thing, even if you could care less about grandma's dilemmas at her crochet club. Same with that old friend you only talk to once every 6 months. Better yet, drop in and spend time with that person.
- Sleep on the floor. Seriously. It's uncomfortable at first, but falling asleep and waking up in a strange location stimulates the senses, even if it's in your own home. Grab a couple blankets for padding, and sleep in the kitchen. Grab your SO and "camp" on the balcony of your apartment or in your backyard.
- Have fun "differently". If you play a lot of video games or are on the computer a lot at home, either break those habits for a while, or move from your usual comfortable spot to something more stimulating. Swap your recliner for a stool, so part of your brain has to keep focused on balance. Play standing up for a few minutes every hour. Play with a different group than you usually play with or against. Apply similar ideas to your other interests and hobbies.
- Play "I Spy" at work. Work's often so routine that it can be challenging to tamp down on your Ti-Ni. At the same time, you don't necessarily want to go overboard with unusual work-related social activities that will haunt you later (like office gossip). Try to notice and memorize what your coworkers are wearing each day (try not to be creepy about it). Make the morning coffee, if you normally don't. Rearrange your desk, or add an item to your cubicle that you've been hesitant to add before (within reason). If you're on the factory floor or working a service job, make an extra effort to notice details, clean your area, or spend more time helping customers. As much as possible, change your work environment and routine enough that you're not doing it in your sleep, so to speak. This is often just doing your best not to gloss over the detail.
Focus on your environment and interactions, and sooner or later you'll notice that you're out of the loop. You can't "think" yourself out of an introverted thinking loop, or wait until your introverted intuition gives you a thumbs up, because they're the problem. You have to break your routine enough to stimulate your senses and feelings to the point where they draw energy from Ti-Ni, and the loop's squirrel cage spins down to normal levels, allowing you to enjoy a balanced life again.