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An ISTJ at work calls me her "mini-me". I've had more than one person wholeheartedly describe me as "diligent", a "workaholic" and "playfully unusual". In my recommendation, my teacher briefly mentioned that he appreciated my "thinking outside the box" but went into 3 paragraphs concerning my "intense work-ethic".

Now, all of these could just as easily apply to an ENTP. But the way people emphasize my traits, I feel society probably labels me a quirky duty-fulfiller more than they do a creative visionary.

The way I think and feel is still very conducive to inspiring a billion ideas, procrastinating, sprinting off planes, and swimming far into the deep ocean... but the way I act is contrary.

I'm happy, but a tired, jaded happy. I'm happy, but feel 30 years old.

Is this healthy? Should I not be working 48-52 hours a week, and instead invest time for my Ne? I feel like I've been suppressing it these days, allotting brain cells only for Si, Ti and Fe whenever I need it.
 

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An ISTJ at work calls me her "mini-me". I've had more than one person wholeheartedly describe me as "diligent", a "workaholic" and "playfully unusual". In my recommendation, my teacher briefly mentioned that he appreciated my "thinking outside the box" but went into 3 paragraphs concerning my "intense work-ethic".

Now, all of these could just as easily apply to an ENTP. But the way people emphasize my traits, I feel society probably labels me a quirky duty-fulfiller more than they do a creative visionary.
The way I think and feel is still very conducive to inspiring a billion ideas, procrastinating, sprinting off planes, and swimming far into the deep ocean... but the way I act is contrary.

I'm happy, but a tired, jaded happy. I'm happy, but feel 30 years old.

Is this healthy? Should I not be working 48-52 hours a week, and instead invest time for my Ne? I feel like I've been suppressing it these days, allotting brain cells only for Si, Ti and Fe whenever I need it.
Okay Yumi, I'm sure you already know what I'm gonna say, but I'ma say it anyway. I think your accelerated aging is due to you repressing your true nature due to socialisation. It's always seems to me that you have an ENTP at the core, but that you've been conditioned into outwardly fixating on traits that aren't natural to you. They may have been trained into you to the point that you are GOOD at them .... but that doesn't make them natural.

I've tried repressing my true self before. It's exhausting. I never recommend it for more than a short period of time (and only then just to serve as a means toward a goal). Even now though, with that said, at work they would prolly suspect me more as a "J" type than a "P" because I'm excessively organised (a very unnatural, but trained trait), not to mention the fact that I'm the boss. Those are two things that don't really go hand-n-hand with our ENTP nature. They are definitely not my natural state though ... if you could only see my car or my bedroom.

My suggestion would be to set aside a place and a time to "cut loose" and just go with the flow. It'll be like a little vacation for your ENTPness from your socialisation. It prolly won't feel natural at first because of the brain washing you've undergone. But it'll be good for you :)
 

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"act like" = persona/behavior =/= Jungian/MBTI type.
I don't necessarily agree with this. I think we can put on a front (whether conscious or subconscious) for a variety of different reasons. I act like "not myself" quite regularly ... just to get what I want.
 

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Okay Yumi, I'm sure you already know what I'm gonna say, but I'ma say it anyway. I think your accelerated aging is due to you repressing your true nature due to socialisation. It's always seems to me that you have an ENTP at the core, but that you've been conditioned into outwardly fixating on traits that aren't natural to you. They may have been trained into you to the point that you are GOOD at them .... but that doesn't make them natural.

I've tried repressing my true self before. It's exhausting. I never recommend it for more than a short period of time (and only then just to serve as a means toward a goal). Even now though, with that said, at work they would prolly suspect me more as a "J" type than a "P" because I'm excessively organised (a very unnatural, but trained trait), not to mention the fact that I'm the boss. Those are two things that don't really go hand-n-hand with our ENTP nature. They are definitely not my natural state though ... if you could only see my car or my bedroom.

My suggestion would be to set aside a place and a time to "cut loose" and just go with the flow. It'll be like a little vacation for your ENTPness from your socialisation. It prolly won't feel natural at first because of the brain washing you've undergone. But it'll be good for you :)
Brainwashing sounds a lot like it. I'm planning on letting my brain completely loose on weekends... but that means I'd have to plan activities on the weekend, something I don't have time to do during the week days. What kind of activities do you recommend for someone who hasn't socialized often with other ENTP's (I actually pretty much avoid them in real life LOL)... so basically friends who wouldn't be okay with me asking them on the fly to go skydiving.

There are times I've had a complete blast just picking up stuff as an errand at Target. But I want something to completely let my brain loose... I feel too cerebral these days. I was thinking of trying smoking or drugs, but I'm not sure how that'd affect my work... lol -_-

I sound too much like a rule follower right now. x.x
 

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...I've had more than one person wholeheartedly describe me as "diligent", a "workaholic" and "playfully unusual"...Is this healthy? Should I not be working 48-52 hours a week, and instead invest time for my Ne?
The moment I was of legal age, I was employed, and by my senior year of high school, I had 5-6 periods alotted to co-op, meaning, I left school around 10 or 11 and went to work. I put in over 40 hours a week whenever I could, and picked up a second job on the weekends. After graduating, I was quickly into 60+hours a week, at a really fun job. That company eventually lost some lawsuit, and overtime was no longer allowed, which really upset me.

My ENFJ friend diagnosed me as a 'workaholic' also, by the way.

I think what's really important to know here is that I felt most alive at those jobs, because I worked with a lot of other people, and we all had a blast even though we were on a clock. As long as you are getting a lot of stimulation from the environment, work can be lots of fun. However, if you are sitting in a cubicle all day answering phones, I could see work not being all that stimulating. I've always tried to make sure I work somewhere with a lot of open space to move around in, where people have leeway to talk and horseplay from time to time.

In simplest terms, a workplace was somewhere I could find a bunch of people who would put in effort to accomplish things, communicate, and enjoy Ne contributions.

I'm from a rural mountain area, where people were, for the most part, intolerant and inactive, and workplaces were a great place to have a blast and meet people of differing backgrounds with varied interests.
 

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I don't know about you all, but I'm content with doing plenty of work when I'm away from my home, but when I'm home is when I tend to procrastinate.
 

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I may have forgotten to mention that my work consists of logistics, making copies, filing, proctoring tests, correcting scantron tests and phone calls. It's insanely busy; I don't really get to socialize until at least half an hour after official office hours. Not exactly Ne-intensive, relying much more on Si overdose.
 

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n.y, go into the mountains in SoCal, find some crazy dudes that'll let you hitch a ride with them on the nearest AmTrak, and get back to work in a week or two.
 

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I think what's really important to know here is that I felt most alive at those jobs, because I worked with a lot of other people, and we all had a blast even though we were on a clock. As long as you are getting a lot of stimulation from the environment, work can be lots of fun. However, if you are sitting in a cubicle all day answering phones, I could see work not being all that stimulating. I've always tried to make sure I work somewhere with a lot of open space to move around in, where people have leeway to talk and horseplay from time to time.

In simplest terms, a workplace was somewhere I could find a bunch of people who would put in effort to accomplish things, communicate, and enjoy Ne contributions.
I agree with this 100% .. It was even MORE fun being the boss, and doing things the right way.

My advice: Nature + fresh air = relaxation.
 

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I was pretty similar to you when I was 12~16. In my head I felt like a spacey INTP but on the surface I seemed so IxTJ and "studious"... but what do you know turns out I am actually ENTP. I didn't get the chance to realize this until I actually got away from schoolwork. So as everyone has already said... go out and play. Honestly, you don't need friends or plans. Plans are sometimes a nuisance, honestly! I recommend trying something you've always wanted to try out during the night/weekends when you're off work. Like a dance/art/cooking/finance/whatever class, community gardening, volunteering, etc... Something with people! Heck, go skydive alone. You actually won't be alone, you'll be connected to somebody on tandem. :)
 

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I was pretty similar to you when I was 12~16. In my head I felt like a spacey INTP but on the surface I seemed so IxTJ and "studious"... but what do you know turns out I am actually ENTP. I didn't get the chance to realize this until I actually got away from schoolwork. So as everyone has already said... go out and play. Honestly, you don't need friends or plans. Plans are sometimes a nuisance, honestly! I recommend trying something you've always wanted to try out during the night/weekends when you're off work. Like a dance/art/cooking/finance/whatever class, community gardening, volunteering, etc... Something with people! Heck, go skydive alone. You actually won't be alone, you'll be connected to somebody on tandem. :)
Thanks for this. Particularly helpful at this point in my life.

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@n.yumikim What are your parents like. Do they push you to do more traditional things and to take responsibility for everything in your life?
She seems to be of typical asian-style upbringing and also being a girl - with all the pressure that implies- will make her more SJ-ish. Even F-ish. Asian work ethics and study-ethics are very different from western style such. Asians are used to compete a lot and work HARD. New science says that 80% are near sighted, suggestedly because of 8-10 hours per day in front of books and computers, focusing hard. Their alphabets require memorization and make use of other parts of the brain than needed when memorizing our phonetic alphabet. This gives asians a upper hand when it comes to some pattern recognitions and also math skills, at first.

In general, if Y. is brought up Asian style, I think that can explain some of her SJ-ishness. (My gf is Chinese, and I have some contacts w Japan too)... Asian study technique awards typical SJ memorization and inside box learning. ENTP challenge systems and think of new ways. I just think that that part is a little suppressed since it is not encouraged enough.... Thinking independently will make you more attractive as decision maker and in other occupations..... I know swedish companies have difficulty finding management material from asians since they are too compliant and are not used to challenge norms.

(Sorry Yumi-san (Kim seems Korean though), I should have directed it directly to you instead. These are just hypothesis')
 
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She seems to be of typical asian-style upbringing and also being a girl - with all the pressure that implies- will make her more SJ-ish. Even F-ish. Asian work ethics and study-ethics are very different from western style such. Asians are used to compete a lot and work HARD. New science says that 80% are near sighted, suggestedly because of 8-10 hours per day in front of books and computers, focusing hard. Their alphabets require memorization and make use of other parts of the brain than needed when memorizing our phonetic alphabet. This gives asians a upper hand when it comes to some pattern recognitions and also math skills, at first.

In general, if Y. is brought up Asian style, I think that can explain some of her SJ-ishness. (My gf is Chinese, and I have some contacts w Japan too)... Asian study technique awards typical SJ memorization and inside box learning. ENTP challenge systems and think of new ways. I just think that that part is a little suppressed since it is not encouraged enough.... Thinking independently will make you more attractive as decision maker and in other occupations..... I know swedish companies have difficulty finding management material from asians since they are too compliant and are not used to challenge norms.

(Sorry Yumi-san (Kim seems Korean though), I should have directed it directly to you instead. These are just hypothesis')
That's what I was kinda trying to get at without sounding presumptuous. I went to a high school with around a 30% Asian population, and this was almost universally the case.

Incidentally, I am going through something that is...tangentially similar in not-at-all obvious ways.
 

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I was pretty similar to you when I was 12~16. In my head I felt like a spacey INTP but on the surface I seemed so IxTJ and "studious"... but what do you know turns out I am actually ENTP. I didn't get the chance to realize this until I actually got away from schoolwork. So as everyone has already said... go out and play. Honestly, you don't need friends or plans. Plans are sometimes a nuisance, honestly! I recommend trying something you've always wanted to try out during the night/weekends when you're off work. Like a dance/art/cooking/finance/whatever class, community gardening, volunteering, etc... Something with people! Heck, go skydive alone. You actually won't be alone, you'll be connected to somebody on tandem. :)
So fucking helpful. Thanks, dude. :)
 
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