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I identify as an INTP but I doubt and question myself constantly. I cannot decide whether Ti or Fi is my dominant function. My views on my personality type are highly influenced by the fact that I want to be a Thinker, so I want to conquer all my cognitive dissonance and find out whether I'm actually an INTP or not.
Why I think I am a Thinker:
1. I am knowledge oriented, learning is very important to me.
2. I value truth, I loathe white lies and lying just to make someone feel better with a burning passion. Irrational optimism and forming opinions based on what feels comfortable and differentiating good and bad based on what we feel is right is what I really hate in people.
3. I do not get easily offended and even when criticism makes me feel extremely uncomfortable I highly appreciate it.

Why I think I might be a Feeler:
1. I have a lot of compassion, understanding and tolerance towards other people. I want to help others and inspire them to improve themselves. I think providing people with harsh criticism that is not sugarcoated at all is just as important as giving them support, care and kindness.
2. I'm interested in topics that are generally considered as typical Feeler interests. For example psychology, writing, poetry etc.
3. Even though I highly appreciate criticism I cannot deny the fact that it usually makes me feel really bad about myself due to the fact that I want to be the best I can be.

Questionnaire:
1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I'm 16, I'm a girl and as far as I know I don't have any mental illnesses, just social anxiety to a certain extent.

2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

I like both, though maybe the first one is a bit more appealing because I love water, mystery, solitude and tranquility, and this picture reminds me of these things. On the other hand the second picture makes me feel more comfortable and at home, but it's too... I don't know... It just isn't as interesting as the other one.

3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

I am a strongly introverted person who mostly enjoys learning, reading and writing and is attracted to new things and new information. I have a contradictory personality, I am confident and insecure at the same time. My traits that I value the most are critical thinking skills, compassion, honesty, curiosity, enthusiasm, ambition, creavitiy, strong willpower, tolerance, open-mindedness, childlikeness and striving to improve. I'm really good at learning languages and writing. My main weakness is that I'm socially awkward and a really bad conversationalist, I have mild anxiety, I'm bad with time management and productivity, I have a short attention span, I'm extremely indecisive, I'm not very entertaining, I'm irritable and I don't think I'm smart enough.

4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

I want to be a productive, successful, intelligent, open-minded and inspirational person who's always honest and outspoken but uplifting as well. I don't want to be the opposite of that. The problem is that I don't know why is it important for me to be a good person. Why don't I just focus on being happy and not care about stuff like self-improvement? I cannot answer this question and it makes me a bit frustrated.

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

Obviously, most people don't know me that well. I think people who don't know me might perceive me as someone who's very reserved, rude (because of my anxiety), socially awkward, always turning inwards and being incompetent at physical activites and "real life" stuff. Some of my friends think I'm just a goofy, playful and annoying person and others might think I'm too serious. That's because some people only know about my "smart" side, while others are only aware of my "childlike" side.


6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.

I talked about this before so I'm not going to write it down again, but what I think I have to mention is that I don't really understand my own values and where they come from and why certain things are more important to me than other stuff, and I find it a bit unsettling.

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

New situations make me uncomfortable and anxious sometimes but I enjoy them at the same time. I like exploring and discovering new stuff despite the fact that sometimes these things are out of my comfort zone.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

I can't deal with stressful situations very well. I tend to get irritable and I lash out at everyone, I either isolate myself or whine about my problems and I have a hard time with focusing on stuff. I need to work on that.

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

Sometimes I get really enthusiastic, motivated and confident. I love that version of myself. There are a lot of situations that I can find enjoyable, for example I really love it when I can talk to someone about my interests, when that happens I get really passionate. I'm very competitive and this might sound bad but I enjoy the feeling of being better than other people. Also I usually find trying new things enjoyable and this isn't restricted to just learning stuff, when I have a bit of motivation I like trying new sports and activities. When I'm happy I can't stop giggling, sometimes I jump up and down and I start talking in a really enthusiastic manner, but besides these things I'm not really emotionally expressive.

10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

I'm your stereotypical socially awkward cringey introvert. My social skills need to be worked on. In a small group interaction sometimes I dominate the conversation but if it's a big grup interaction I'm almost always quiet. I prefer one-on-one interaction but in general I'm much better at expressing myself through writing than talking.

11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

I don't care about social norms or fitting in. I want to impress people I respect and I want to be understood by at least one person in order to avoid feeling lonely, but traditions and social norms don't mean a lot to me. I'm not sure about how I see people as a whole. I usually try to see the good in everyone because I think I can understand, accept and relate to everyone if I want but on the other hand I can be quite misantrophic as well and think that everyone has at least one personality trait I dislike that makes it hard for me to value them as a person.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

Authority figures need to be questioned and they need to earn respect just like everyone else, and we shouldn't trust or believe someone just because they have authority.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

People say I'm a mess because my room is always messy and I'm a bit forgetful sometimes. I don't follow a daily routine, that's not for me. However I'm not a spontaneous person, especially when it comes to socialising. I like planning things in advance but I'm unable to stick to a schedule. My writing is a mess and I'm not very orderly. (I'm a Perceiver though, I'm the least decisive person I know and I need to keep my options open.)

14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

I'm afraid that I won't be able to achieve my goals and that I'll waste my life. This gives me a lot of self-hatred and guilt but it motivates me to act. I'm also secretly afraid that I'll be lonely forever.


15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?


My main goals are to become a better person, learn as much as I can, have an impact on the world around me, become an excellent writer and psychologist.


16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

Energizes me: I don't really know to be honest. Mainly success, constructive feedback and the desire to improve and be better than others are the things that keep me going. Drains me: Doing boring, unnecessary things I don't care about and studying a subject I'm not interested in (Math for example).


17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.


I talked about these stuff before. I want to know my type because MBTI is one of my obsessions and I like labeling myself to be honest. Also I want to understand myself more. My enneagram is either 5w4, 4w5 or 5w6.
 

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I say INFP,

I am too tired and drunkish to explain. (Also in too much doubt, reading what drives you)

Oh, if you are a tyoe 5 INFP, that would explain a lot. The 5 definitly makes you more T-like.

I'd be suprised if you're INFP type 4. I'd say you are definitly not that.
 

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I identify as an INTP but I doubt and question myself constantly. I cannot decide whether Ti or Fi is my dominant function. My views on my personality type are highly influenced by the fact that I want to be a Thinker, so I want to conquer all my cognitive dissonance and find out whether I'm actually an INTP or not.
Ok lemme do this..

"I am knowledge oriented, learning is very important to me." - Can apply to either type. This is like saying that Fs can't be smart.
"I value truth, I loathe white lies and lying just to make someone feel better with a burning passion. Irrational optimism and forming opinions based on what feels comfortable and differentiating good and bad based on what we feel is right is what I really hate in people" - The initial value statement about value could go either way. Differentiating good and bad statement indicates Ti.
"I do not get easily offended and even when criticism makes me feel extremely uncomfortable I highly appreciate it." - Not getting easily offended indicates Ti but a mature Fi might say the same thing.
"I have a lot of compassion, understanding and tolerance towards other people. I want to help others and inspire them to improve themselves. I think providing people with harsh criticism that is not sugarcoated at all is just as important as giving them support, care and kindness" - Harsh criticism actually points to Ti not Fi.
"I'm interested in topics that are generally considered as typical Feeler interests. For example psychology, writing, poetry etc." - This is basically stereotyping and not really relevant.
"Even though I highly appreciate criticism I cannot deny the fact that it usually makes me feel really bad about myself due to the fact that I want to be the best I can be." - This could be inferior Fe or strong Fi.


The key difference between the Fi dom and the Ti dom is that Fi dom is very individualistic. They find it very important to know who they and will constantly contemplate it so that they remain true to self. Everything decision they make must line up with their true self. However, a Ti dom will be making decision through their subjective logic. What feels right or their emotions will not be a desired factor. (I say it that way because I have hard time believing someone can make a decision that is completely detached from their own emotions...but a Ti dom will certainly try). The Ti dom will evaluate everything based on whether or not it logically makes sense in their head. A mature INFP with inferior Te might appear more structured or organized than a Ti dom because they'll take great pride in effectively utilizing their low Te. A Ti dom will be dealing more with inferior Fe which makes them more aware of others emotions than their own.. however since it's low use a younger or immature Ti dom may struggle with accidentally offending people and feeling bad about it after the fact when they recognize the emotional response from the other person. Thus, a Ti dom will take greater pride in their ability to read people and produce desired responses from them.. the ability to not step on toes accidentally and skate through situations unscathed.
 
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Ok lemme do this..

"I am knowledge oriented, learning is very important to me." - Can apply to either type. This is like saying that Fs can't be smart.
"I value truth, I loathe white lies and lying just to make someone feel better with a burning passion. Irrational optimism and forming opinions based on what feels comfortable and differentiating good and bad based on what we feel is right is what I really hate in people" - The initial value statement about value could go either way. Differentiating good and bad statement indicates Ti.
"I do not get easily offended and even when criticism makes me feel extremely uncomfortable I highly appreciate it." - Not getting easily offended indicates Ti but a mature Fi might say the same thing.
"I have a lot of compassion, understanding and tolerance towards other people. I want to help others and inspire them to improve themselves. I think providing people with harsh criticism that is not sugarcoated at all is just as important as giving them support, care and kindness" - Harsh criticism actually points to Ti not Fi.
"I'm interested in topics that are generally considered as typical Feeler interests. For example psychology, writing, poetry etc." - This is basically stereotyping and not really relevant.
"Even though I highly appreciate criticism I cannot deny the fact that it usually makes me feel really bad about myself due to the fact that I want to be the best I can be." - This could be inferior Fe or strong Fi.


The key difference between the Fi dom and the Ti dom is that Fi dom is very individualistic. They find it very important to know who they and will constantly contemplate it so that they remain true to self. Everything decision they make must line up with their true self. However, a Ti dom will be making decision through their subjective logic. What feels right or their emotions will not be a desired factor. (I say it that way because I have hard time believing someone can make a decision that is completely detached from their own emotions...but a Ti dom will certainly try). The Ti dom will evaluate everything based on whether or not it logically makes sense in their head. A mature INFP with inferior Te might appear more structured or organized than a Ti dom because they'll take great pride in effectively utilizing their low Te. A Ti dom will be dealing more with inferior Fe which makes them more aware of others emotions than their own.. however since it's low use a younger or immature Ti dom may struggle with accidentally offending people and feeling bad about it after the fact when they recognize the emotional response from the other person. Thus, a Ti dom will take greater pride in their ability to read people and produce desired responses from them.. the ability to not step on toes accidentally and skate through situations unscathed.

I wasn't trying to say that Feelers can't be smart, but my experience is that NTs are usually more knowledge oriented than NFs. I might be wrong though, this is just anecdotal evidence after all.
I'm individualistic and I dislike conformity. Self-awareness is very important to me because being aware of my weaknesses makes it less likely that harsh criticism is going to hurt my feelings and also you can't improve and develop yourself if you don't even know who you are.
I hate forming opinions based on what I feel is right. Some people say if something feels wrong you shouldn't do it, but I disagree with that. There are many reasons why something might not feel right and those reasons are sometimes completely irrational.
I don't really offend other people accidentally, I guess I'm usually pretty considerate. This is probably because I read a lot of psychology and mental health related stuff, so I am aware that the way I speak to others might have a huge effect on them. Being encouraging and empowering is not something that comes to me naturally but I try to be like that, and I prefer people who are extremely supportive and compassionate but give harsh criticism and never sugarcoat things. Harsh criticism usually hurts me but I prefer being uncomfortable rather than remaining delusional. After someone gives me hurtful constructive criticism I usually need a little time alone to sulk over it but it never offends or annoys me and I highly appreciate it. Another thing is that I write poetry and though sometimes I write about my own problems I mainly prefer writing poems that could help other people. I like to express my views and stuff that's important to me through my writing and even when I write about emotions the poems often depict an exaggerated or slightly distorted version of what I feel, not my genuine emotional state. I have no idea what this might tell about my personality type.
 

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I think you're INTP.

Normally if people ask if they're XXXX or INFP, I'll say it's INFP. But for you, I think you're INTP, and you seem to have healthy use of your auxiliary function, and your entire functional stack seems to be in good use. I think it's just normal use of your Ne leading to uncertainty in your type, and not because (in reluctant INFPs) your Fi is too big for its britches and wants to be known as an *insert cooler type here*. The reluctant INFP would also get super mad about me calling them an INFP, but you're well-balanced :)

Now for my rationale: As you probably know, Fi and Ti are both Judging functions, which means they both seek inner organization and truth. Ne is nice and open, always bringing on possibilities and uncertainties, and Fi/Ti can occasionally panic and try to put a stop to that really quick by finding a frame of truth and sticking to it. Anyway, my Fi feels pretty darn logical, informed, and organized, and my Ne is always hunting down the next bit of info to add in. But I'm an F and not a T, somehow or another, because I just do it differently. You can probably see that in my writing.

You mentioned compassion, tolerance, and understanding towards others. That doesn't make one T or F, but it does make one a productive member of our complex society. Humans have emotions. Emotions and motivation are friends, if not the same thing. I haven't thought about that all the way yet, but emotions and a desire for well-being don't make one a Feeler. Nor does a desire for knowledge make one a Thinker.

Well, that's all I've got. But you can look on the forum and see if you feel more at home with the Ti doms or the Fi doms. We can arrive at the same destination, but we take different paths to get there.


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But what do you want to write about?

You sound like you'd write a pretty thorough book! Would you write about psychology? And what is your take on sociology? :)
 

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"I haven't thought about that all the way yet, but emotions and a desire for well-being don't make one a Feeler. Nor does a desire for knowledge make one a Thinker." But how do you differentiate Thinking and Feeling then? I think I have a pretty good understanding of MBTI and cognitive functions, but the T-F dichotomy is something I still can't completely wrap my head around. Everyone says Thinkers can be emotional and empathetic and Feelers can be rational and logical so I'm not sure what the actual difference is.

I am writing a fantasy novel, but the psychological/philosophical aspect is the most important part of the story. I want to write about mental health and self-improvement related stuff. I don't know much about sociology but I find it interesting.
 

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Everyone says Thinkers can be emotional and empathetic and Feelers can be rational and logical so I'm not sure what the actual difference is.
Fi dom users are value driven. They define and make decisions based on their values. Their values aren't necessarily irrational but their values form their identity and they must do everything in accord with their identity. A well balanced Fi dom will use Te to rationalize and support their Fi values. They tend to be very self reflective and aware of their own emotions and feelings on different matters. Information they take in is compared to their values and rejected or accepted based on their values or used to redefine their values.
Ti dom users are more driven by.. categorization. They form a system inside their mind of all the information they take in and categorize it. They reject or accept new information based upon what fits inside their system and what doesn't. If they find a contradiction, then they have to re-evaluate everything they know, basically. They're basically in a constant state of information sorting, in a sense. The stereotypical conspiracy theorist with the room where they've stuck a bunch of papers and pictures all over the walls and connected them with strings to demonstrate how everything ties together.. is kinda how the Ti mind works.. and stereotypically it's the INTP doing that. XD Ti users are more willing to reject or question established facts based on whether or not the fact makes sense in their own mind.

The Te mind is very different from the Ti mind, and the Fe mind is very different from the Fi mind, so I wouldn't necessarily categorize people into just 2 categories (thinking and feeling), but the 4 instead. The most basic explanation is that a thinker will tend toward making decisions based on cold hard logic, distrusting and squashing their own emotions, while a feeler will make a decisions based on their emotions without the support of logic. However, these are extremes and unhealthy at best. People tend to be somewhere in the middle with a mix of emotion and logic, frequently leaning toward one side or the other, but not necessarily giving in to their tendency. A thinker may want to ignore all emotion and make a decision completely without it or without taking other people in consideration, but that doesn't mean the thinker won't recognize the need to take emotions into consideration and thus factors it in to their decision making process. The same holds true in the reverse for feelers. It really just comes down to how balanced the person is.
 
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I really can't figure out whether I'm a Fi or a Ti dom by this description. Are there any questions I could answer that would make determining my type/dominant function easier?
 

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I really can't figure out whether I'm a Fi or a Ti dom by this description. Are there any questions I could answer that would make determining my type/dominant function easier?
Do you make decisions primarily based on what makes logical sense to you - separate from your feelings, or by what you personally feel is good/bad - separate from pure logical reasoning?
 

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I think I form opinions based on what makes logical sense to me, and I get annoyed when people stay stuff like "this just doesn't feel right"/"this is what feels right for me" when explaining why they support a certain viewpoint. However I'm not a good decision maker (I'm very indecisive). In my everyday life I probably make some decisions based on what would be comfortable for me/what feels better. (For example I wouldn't pick an occupation that is more stable and lucrative but is something I don't care about over one I have an intense passion for but is less profitable.) When it comes to more important decisions I always try to take both logic and my desires into account. (Tell me if I misunderstood the question)
 

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I think I form opinions based on what makes logical sense to me, and I get annoyed when people stay stuff like "this just doesn't feel right"/"this is what feels right for me" when explaining why they support a certain viewpoint. However I'm not a good decision maker (I'm very indecisive). In my everyday life I probably make some decisions based on what would be comfortable for me/what feels better. (For example I wouldn't pick an occupation that is more stable and lucrative but is something I don't care about over one I have an intense passion for but is less profitable.) When it comes to more important decisions I always try to take both logic and my desires into account. (Tell me if I misunderstood the question)
You're INTP. This is exactly whay bugs me about INTP, that they have such mindset (bolded part), while exactly what annoys you is the essense of INFP's being INFP's.

I give it no chance you being INFP. You clearly show to have a dominant Ti that is extremely annoyed with Fi-doms. After my original post I already thought you were INTP anyway.
 

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My vote is INFP without a doubt in my mind. Every now and then I picked up some lower Te, and I didn't pick up very much, if any, Fe. I didn't see much of Ti. A ton of Fi, though. Honestly, all that you wrote could have been taken from my diary when I was 16.

As for your enneagram, I don't think you are a 5 in all honesty, but a classic 4w3. There are maaaaany 5 mistypes, as most people only focus on the "likes information" aspect. 5's are very rare and have a very unique method of dealing with emotions and compartmentalizing. You don't use the 5 mechanism of compartmentalization or detachment at all. Quite the opposite, you seem to react to emotions similarly to a 4w3 (my own type, for the record.)

I can't deal with stressful situations very well. I tend to get irritable and I lash out at everyone, I either isolate myself or whine about my problems and I have a hard time with focusing on stuff. I need to work on that.
This is not a 5 reaction at all.

. I'm very competitive and this might sound bad but I enjoy the feeling of being better than other people
This is a very 4 thing to say. 4w3, specifically.

In a small group interaction sometimes I dominate the conversation but if it's a big grup interaction I'm almost always quiet. I prefer one-on-one interaction but in general I'm much better at expressing myself through writing than talking.
Very 4. Your orientation on success is due to your 3 wing, for the record.

Many INFPs (myself included, mistyped as ENTP briefly) are drawn to the idea of being a thinker and the idea of Ti, but INFPs can be just as rational as anyone else! Thinker/Feeler doesn't correspond with intelligence, and you seem to be a very bright and rational INFP to me.
 

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"I give it no chance you being INFP."
"My vote is INFP without a doubt in my mind."

I'm about to accept that I'll never be able to figure myself out.
 

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My vote is INFP without a doubt in my mind. Every now and then I picked up some lower Te, and I didn't pick up very much, if any, Fe. I didn't see much of Ti. A ton of Fi, though. Honestly, all that you wrote could have been taken from my diary when I was 16.
I'd highly appreciate it if you could elaborate on how Fi manifests in my thinking and the stuff I wrote about.
 

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1, wait until you're around 25 to truly know your type - your brain is still developing and, while it's unlikely you'll change, it's still possible, especially if there are any major events that will happen in your life between ages 16 and 25.

2. INFP 5w4 sp/so is what I'd type you as. You don't come across as an INTP to me at all.
 

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@nolak Why of course! :)

I value truth, I loathe white lies and lying just to make someone feel better with a burning passion. Irrational optimism and forming opinions based on what feels comfortable and differentiating good and bad based on what we feel is right is what I really hate in people.
This, which you stated as being a thinker quality, is actually VERY Fi. The intrinsic and personal value of being authentic, a very emotionally charged statement which reverberates with most Fi doms. An Fe tertiary wouldn't say this.
Similarly is this;
I think providing people with harsh criticism that is not sugarcoated at all is just as important as giving them support, care and kindness.
I don't care about social norms or fitting in. I want to impress people I respect and I want to be understood by at least one person in order to avoid feeling lonely, but traditions and social norms don't mean a lot to me. I'm not sure about how I see people as a whole. I usually try to see the good in everyone because I think I can understand, accept and relate to everyone if I want but on the other hand I can be quite misantrophic as well and think that everyone has at least one personality trait I dislike that makes it hard for me to value them as a person.
This is very Fi oriented. I've written similar things myself before!

I want to be a productive, successful, intelligent, open-minded and inspirational person who's always honest and outspoken but uplifting as well.
All very Fi oriented values, especially the bolded.

I'm afraid that I won't be able to achieve my goals and that I'll waste my life. This gives me a lot of self-hatred and guilt but it motivates me to act. I'm also secretly afraid that I'll be lonely forever.
Ah the quintessential fears of the 4w3 INFP! Note the guilt and self-hatred orientation and the fear of being alone, three cornerstones of a 4w3. 4w3 is a statistically INFP thing, not INTP.

Energizes me: I don't really know to be honest. Mainly success, constructive feedback and the desire to improve and be better than others are the things that keep me going. Drains me: Doing boring, unnecessary things I don't care about and studying a subject I'm not interested in (Math for example).
4w3 again and statistics again.

Another thing: Here is a quote from your former thread

The reason why I don't identify with Fi is because I form my opinions based on objective facts and data and not emotions. Though I don't really know how to determine whether Ti is actually my dominant function or not.
That isn't Ti. At all. Ti doesn't rely heavily on objective facts and data. That's Te that does that.

to quote another source:

Te: “Relies on fact … depends upon the facts of experience … has a tendency to multiply facts.”

Ti: “Values facts chiefly as illustrative proofs of the idea … neglect facts … coerce them into agreement with the idea.”


Even if you value and treasure logic, your logic system isn't Ti, it's Te, so you aren't an INTP.
 

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Do you ever get affected by people in the room? e.g. do they say or do something that makes you lose your thought process?
 
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