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long over due for a response to this thread.............




<<<<<<------------------------take it frum a koon!

Murahka IS getting what it deserves. It has long sustained a culture driven by making money for the sake of money all while living a completely delusional, decadent & unhealthy lifestyle while trying to shove its policies & lifestyle on the world at gunpoint.

In just a couple weex a complete financial/economic crash coupled with a population wide Health threatening pandemic.........

when the dust settles, My hope is that Murahka will begin to care about its Health as a Society as opposed to its monetary motivated delusions........
 
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Actually, my version of hell is more like this:

Except the difference is, every time I don't hug Ned, he multiplies by two.
I would probably be more aggressive to him. This guy is too nice but yes that could equate to hell for me.
 

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Idk--I think we're all interconnected, and rather than getting what we deserve, we get some benefit of the relationships that we put into and have.

So my small part of the world functioning? I'd probably get some kind of hell for lazy people who procrastinate too much.

But the world would be a lot more boring if we all got that sort of thing, since we can do a lot more for the world if we receive the help of others. Most successful people weren't totally unprivileged, and they did receive help from others.

We must be able to give back to the world, but it may not be the same thing we need for ourselves.

I can't tell you what I deserve--because it's not important and its largely arbitrary and subjective. But what I would hope for is a world that is harmonious, that is compassionate and valued, and in which we heard each others voices.

My personal slice of hell would probably look like a dark place of helplessness, where people could not do anything to change the system or their environment, and everything they value suffered because of their failure (so basically like how I view my life a lot of the time).

I think 'what I deserve' would be the lessons I have to learn, so I would learn about how to motivate one's self in isolation, and how to manage time better and plan better. And to have more self-confidence, probably.

Idk. But I view 'deserve' as sort of negative, when really it's kind of a silly concept.

"Should have" is a better one, and it considers the higher good for everyone, as well as the individual. "Should" and "ought to" should consider the best scenario, and not be stuck in the muck of vengeance or the idea that the best solution is more of the problem.
 

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It's weird - I already think, for the most part, we get what we "deserve". It's hard to define what is "deserved", you know?
 

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Idk. But I view 'deserve' as sort of negative, when really it's kind of a silly concept.
If I rewrote the question to read: "If everyone got what they are owed, what would your portion look like?", would you feel differently about it?
 

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Although obviously not in the way you think...
Would you mind sharing how you felt before/after I posted the Groundhog Day clip?
 

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Would you mind sharing how you felt before/after I posted the Groundhog Day clip?
The clip (Groundhog Day) is about becoming aware of your loops:


So why are you asking me...?
 

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Because the only thing worse than being a non-venomous snake, is having to bite them to prove it.
A. So are you saying you're biting a non-venomous snake to prove it's non-venomous?

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B. Or that you're a non-venomous snake who doesn't want to bite because it shows you are in fact non-venomous?

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How odd...
 

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Because the only thing worse than being a non-venomous snake, is having to bite them to prove it.
Doesn't look that bad.........
 

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If I rewrote the question to read: "If everyone got what they are owed, what would your portion look like?", would you feel differently about it?
I guess--"owed" suggests that there was already some kind of agreement about payment.

"Deserved" seems a little more like an ethical judgment.

I still think it's pretty complicated, as what we get paid is part of an agreement, and people can agree to be owed less than the value of their contribution, or they can agree to be owed more.

But people can argue on the value of the contribution, though usually, eventually, it becomes clear that there is some consensus and usually one of them is lying, and just trying to pay less than what they know the contribution deserves.

Like childcare works like that, and other underpaid labor--you know, we can all pretty much agree that it's valuable, but no one can agree to pay much for it--some because they just don't have the money, and others because they don't care.

But someone could do some kind of rarer 'job' for another--something illegal, and get paid a lot more money just because of the scarcity of workers--or even something legal but that most people might not want to do. Something like being an escort or producing pornography, and they could get paid more, even if most people would argue that children are more valuable than men temporarily feeling horny and not wanting to deal with it themselves (I would argue that).

But then I can also see why something like the sex industry should be more expensive, because it can be valuable to the individual, what they are selling. So I'm not saying that it shouldn't be expensive, but it is really annoying how we tend to let some really important jobs be so undervalued.

Idk.

Why are you asking this question?

I have a hard time answering the question, because what someone wants to give me depends on how they value my contribution. I decide a limit based on how I value it, myself, but ultimately it's something negotiated between a lot of people--two people doing the exchange, as well as the rest of society and how they decide what is valuable or what things are worth.

But I would hope I was owed basic human rights and to live and ideally to be able to give what I want to give, and to also be able to sustain my life that way. I think I tend to want to feel equal to the people around me, so be given a lot of the same courtesies. I don't know how to answer a question about what I'm owed--I guess it'd be based on the agreements I make in my society, like I am owed not to be a victim of crime or freedom of speech or something. : /

What I feel I should deserve is to be able to contribute to making the world a better place and in return not have to worry about being homeless, getting access to health care, starve, or experience acts of violence or aggression. And to see more community gardens...

I have the things I wish and desire to have or to give, but what I am owed is a lot less clear. And I would also have a hard time figuring out what I owe other people.

Sorry I haven't made any coffee, and I hope I don't owe it to the forum to drink coffee and post coherent thoughtful posts, instead of this kind of thing I'm writing here. : /
 

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...what I deserve according to who?

Some folks would have me become a red stain on pavement, some think I deserve everything I could possibly want and then some.

As for me, "Deserving" is kind of a nebulous, pointless concept.
 

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One of the biggest applause lines of Johnny Carson's tenure, he was doing a bit where he completed the line, "If we all got what we deserved...," and he led off with, "If we all got what we deserved, we'd all be in jail." The applause was deafening. Even Johnny was surprised.
 

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I detest the word deserve. In the sense that one is owed something. Anyone who believes they are owed something can go suck it, as far as I'm concerned.

In regards to a person "getting what they deserved", I don't really care for this either. It's too subjective.
 

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A. So are you saying you're biting a non-venomous snake to prove it's non-venomous?

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B. Or that you're a non-venomous snake who doesn't want to bite because it shows you are in fact non-venomous?

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How odd...
My background is in supply chain and logistics, and my most recent stint has been in the grocery sector.

With the recent pandemic scare, the increased demand has required me to ramp up to working 80+ hours a week.

I was tired and frazzled when I made that post. It was a really dumb thing to say, and I didn't mean it.

My apologies.

(Offers latex-gloved handshake.)
 
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