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So there is this place in Vegas called the "Heart Attack Grill".
If you are over 350 pounds you eat for free and you sign a waiver because of how bad the food is.
The owner is a former personal trainer who seemingly got sick and tired of peoples inability or will to get healthy.
Now some people might go for novelty and visit once in a while. However, there are people who go frequently and people who are already very heavy going and have died there because of how bad the food is.

He is very transparent about his intentions. He has gone on interviews and said "Do not eat here, fast food is bad for you. This place will kill you and if you want to live please make a healthy decision. But if you insist, I will take your money".

There is a list of what is referred to as the 7 deadly sins and if you believe this will actually send you to damnation or not there is clearly consequences for them.

Vegas for this reason has earned the title "Sin City". As Vegas is a place where people can indulge in their fantasies.

This man forces no one to come to his glutton Factory and yet people will flock there. People who are already severely over weight will flock there and some will eat there reguarly knowing the food will send them to an early grave. Now many can say hes Evil but he has basically just made a playground for gluttons and people are given the option to kill themselves with his food if they truly wish to do so.

So ethically do you believe this man is really the bad guy? That he should be held ethically/morally/finanically responsible since people have made the discussion to eat themselves to death? Also under this logic every strip club or casino in vegas should be charged for people gambling away the deed of thier house, or losing 2 months paycheck since they were watching pretty strippers at the club.
 

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I find the patrons more disturbing than the guy who made the restaurant. They are willfully choosing to go to a place with a warning label.

I’m a cig smoker, I don’t blame the cigarette companies for making them. I blame myself for being the consumer. Actually you know who I resent more than myself or the cig company, is Sin taxes. Fuck that. Yeah smokers should not have to flip the bill in jacked up taxes of everything in the state. Why is it my job to pay for a stadium for baseball players because I smoke? That tax doesn’t even make sense considering most baseball players chew and guzzle beer (maybe their fricken products should get sin taxed).
 

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So ethically do you believe this man is really the bad guy? That he should be held ethically/morally/finanically responsible since people have made the discussion to eat themselves to death? Also under this logic every strip club or casino in vegas should be charged for people gambling away the deed of thier house, or losing 2 months paycheck since they were watching pretty strippers at the club.
There's blame enough to go around.

The people going there to eat are being foolish. They're unhealthy, eating food they know to be unhealthy. That's unwise. Not evil, but unwise.

The owner of the restaurant is doing evil. He's providing a product that he knows will harm the customers. This isn't like a car dealer who sells a product that CAN be harmful if improperly used. This is a guy who is not only selling unhealthy food, but to me the tipping point is that he's giving it away for free to people over 350lbs. That is encouraging the people who are at the highest risk to eat a product that is known to be bad for them. At least fast food places charge the same for everybody regardless.

Now, I'm not saying that this guy should be charged with a crime or anything. This is still a bunch of adults exercising their free choice to do stupid things, but I do think this restaurant owner is acting unethically by encouraging the very people who should be avoiding that place to come there and eat their fill.

Side note about cigarettes because it came up... I DO blame big tobacco companies, because they aren't just selling tobacco cigarettes. They're putting in additives to increase the potency and addictive properties of a product known to kill people. That's unethical as hell, to put it mildly.
 
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I would never support his business.

Imo you help people and if you're not willing to do that then just leave them alone.

I also agree the kicker is that he's offering food for free to people who are at highest risk of having health complications from it.

I don't believe he should be charged with a crime either, but I definitely believe his business is unethical and that he's untrustworthy and destructive.

I don't believe in wasting food or else I'd say that another idea is for someone who's 350lbs to just order a shit ton of his food for free and take one bite out of it, and then throw the rest away so that he loses money.

But I just looked at the website, and tbh I don't see how anyone could actually finish some of those foods in one sitting, so I bet plenty of people actually do waste a lot of food there (regardless of their physique). Yay for pretending that taking a bite of food and then throwing the rest out is somehow more virtuous because you'll stay thinner that way.

I imagine there's fine print that doesn't allow this, but ideally someone could be 350 lbs, order a bunch of free food from the restaurant--like tons of it, and then give it away to people who are lacking in food. So that, despite his intentions, his food actually goes towards helping people.
 

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@WickerDeer Plus if you don’t finish your plate you get a spanking. :sneaky: Some mixed messages here…

I saw a bumper sticker that said, “Eat well, stay fit, die anyway.”

Now that’s a perspective.

However, if I want to abuse my body, I’ll find some way to do it. That restaurant owner is a supremely bold nihilist, but his point has apparently been proven.
 

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I’m a cig smoker, I don’t blame the cigarette companies for making them. I blame myself for being the consumer.
Hmm. Reading this changed my initial thoughts to give in response to this thread. I actually blame both in this case, which made me realize it's no different than OP's example, so it's a contradiction in my views if I don't see it as the fault of both the consumer and supplier. Originally, I was going to attribute the responsibility to the consumer.

I still do see it as primarily the consumer. If the suppliers stopped supplying, it would only result in the consumers forming a black market. So...arguably, it may actually be BETTER that there is a supplier. Not sure.
 

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The owner is a former personal trainer who seemingly got sick and tired of peoples inability or will to get healthy.
As much as I find this relatable, I think that this is a rather ridiculous motive. I relate in matters of the mind, rather than the body...imagine if I started a domestic violence institute where people can go be abused because I got tired of people not caring about their own mental health, lol. What a piss poor way of coping.
 

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As much as I find this relatable, I think that this is a rather ridiculous motive. I relate in matters of the mind, rather than the body...imagine if I started a domestic violence institute where people can go be abused because I got tired of people not caring about their own mental health, lol. What a piss poor way of coping.
While I get your point entirely. I would like to point out in deffense of victim's, is that many victems can not escape so easily when they are essentially made a hostage. People prone to this happening are children, or those with abusive relatives who make sure to keep them hidden, remove support networks, and often those people prey on already vulnerable people. Which by that I mean those without a good network/support system/stability.

Yes there are those who willingly go into and you can not knock any sense into it since they want to delude themselves but there are many smart enough to realize the situation is bad just not really in a position to escape.
 

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While I get your point entirely. I would like to point out in deffense of victim's, is that many victems can not escape so easily when they are essentially made a hostage. People prone to this happening are children, or those with abusive relatives who make sure to keep them hidden, remove support networks, and often those people prey on already vulnerable people. Which by that I mean those without a good network/support system/stability.

Yes there are those who willingly go into and you can not knock any sense into it since they want to delude themselves but there are many smart enough to realize the situation is bad just not really in a position to escape.
No worries, I'm aware of all of that. Most of my life I was abused by parents. I wasn't trying to go too deep into it, just wanted a comparison that was psychological instead of physical.
 

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I have based the traits people need to watch out for or manage on the Emotional Repressions:


Anger - Destruction
Sadness - Laziness
Fear - Timidity
Envy - Greed

Love and Belief Emotional Repression Releases can also be thought of as traits:

Love - Judgemental, or liking others based on certain conditions
Belief - Selfishness, or wanting others to do what one desires, not what the other person thinks

In this case, Greed is a result of repressed Envy. Lust is a result of repressed Sadness and Love. Gluttony is a result of repressed Sadness and Belief.
 
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