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Who else has felt before like the gap between INTP's and "normal" people is so large that we might as well be aliens?

Seriously, maybe it's just me, but I kinda think, the rest of humanity is over there doing thier thing, and we're this little group of strange freaks who's brains work in a completely different fashion.

No i don't honestly believe we are genuinely genetically different to everyone else - but in terms of thought, I often feel like other personality types at least have common elements, and we have much less in common with others. Maybe cuz we're rare? (intp is rare right? i'm sure I read that somewhere?)

Please feel free to blast this apart with well-informed logic if you so wish, I haven't researched at all. I was just intrigued to see if anyone else felt similar and whether it might be a plausible notion that this feeling of alienation occurs with greater frequency and with a greater weight of evidence amongst INTP's than it does in the general population. (obviously the vast majority of people feel isolated at SOME point in thier life)



TL;DR: INTP - genuinely more alienated and isolated from the rest of humanity than other personality types? Discuss.
 

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"People who don't think cannot be considered humans. I'm not sure what they are, but they are not human."

Jeremy's Journal 9/3/10



I am not making this post up. I'd take a picture of my journal entry and post it here if my handwriting were actually legible.
 

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I should point out while i'm here, that I wasn't venting about feeling excluded or anything. I generally get on pretty well with other people, I certainly have no issues communicating or socialising - but I don't pretend for a second to actually understand a lot of the things people say and do. And I've long since learned that questioning them about thier motivations usually elicits offence or garbled rambling gibberish, rather than the logical sequence of events and decisions one might expect.
 
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@Nate, I feel the same as you do, but I'm an ISTP. I don't think INTPs have the monopoly on alienation. :)
 

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Ya I totally agree with your personal observations Nate. Even us INTP's are pretty different from each other. The term 'beat to your own drummer' is not deep enough to describe it. Wherever I go, or whatever I do, there is still a feeling like I am a nation of one. Luckily I have learned of some diplomacy and war.

I've found many people are drawn to novelty, and it's an amazing experience once you open up and see people truly appreciate who you are.
I agree with this statement. It's how I convince girls to like me and excel at work:p The crappy part is whenever everyone recognizes it and you get put in a leadership position. Then everyone come to you with their personal problems. I liked the power to set things right that management brought, but I did not enjoy the experience of constant decision making for other people. I would have to be paid pretty well to endure the event again.
 

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in my favorite type profile, the author does in fact use the word "alien" for the INTP. i think it's absolutely the word for it. i think an INTP is the alien because the world is kept at an emotional distance. the world is just data for inner theories and thought systems. i feel less a part of the world than an observer of it. "the INTP reduces the world into a raw form that can be shaped to his/her liking"
 

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I browse through this subforum once in a while and don't see anything significantly different discussed here with respect to human experience than on other subforums. I think it is just a sense that you have internally.

My theory is that people who are lower on feeling function feel more separate from other human beings, as is the case of all the MBTI subtypes that have feeling in 4th place. It is the feeling functions that allow us to bond with others, to feel good from helping them achieve their potential or making them laugh, to feel affection or even love, feel a need to have friends or belong to some group of people, and ultimately take on other people's emotion states or at least understand them and empathize. If ability to sympathize of empathize is not strong in a person, I can see how one would feel very separate from others.
 

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I browse through this subforum once in a while and don't see anything significantly different discussed here with respect to human experience than on other subforums. I think it is just a sense that you have internally.

My theory is that people who are lower on feeling function feel more separate from other human beings, as is the case of all the MBTI subtypes that have feeling in 4th place. It is the feeling functions that allow us to bond with others, to feel good from helping them achieve their potential or making them laugh, to feel affection or even love, feel a need to have friends or belong to some group of people, and ultimately take on other people's emotion states or at least understand them and empathize. If ability to sympathize of empathize is not strong in a person, I can see how one would feel very separate from others.
What about the TheHigher?

I don't think ESTJs feel separate from others, do they? They're collectivists, but have Fi as their least function.

Plus, INTPs are often referred to as seeming weird. I think it has to do with motivations and thought process differences.
 

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What about the TheHigher?

I don't think ESTJs feel separate from others, do they? They're collectivists, but have Fi as their least function.

Plus, INTPs are often referred to as seeming weird. I think it has to do with motivations and thought process differences.
It is not entirely impossible for F-types to feel very isolated from other people but it will be a more common state for those whose emotional side isn't strongly developed.

ExTJs are extraverts so they are bound to come out of their homes and interact with environment more, and in this environment they will meet people. I don't think they do it because they feel especially connected, loved, and understood by others. In addition extraverts tend to be less introspective, so you probably won't see a lot of ESTJs sitting on this forum and contemplating about what they feel towards other people. They are out there Te-ing something into submission >.<
 

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Interaction on my part is role-playing most of the time.. I don't often feel connections with people. I see that many seem to genuinely connect. I feel like an observer. I can -seem- like I am connecting because I have learned to act so well (which I used to do, to prove to myself that I could - and now its just for my own personal entertainment unless I need something from them), but whats going on internally is so detached.. so much so that I have wondered if there is something wrong with me. When I was younger I wondered if I was a sociopath. My feelings aren't normal like theirs. My responses aren't. It doesn't actually bother me.. not anymore. I just think its interesting.

I have connected sort of, on some levels with some people. Its rare and awkward. Once I realize it has happened, I can choose to embrace it (and I do so too strongly), or I can distance myself (also do so too strongly). I don't know proper psychological distance. I get into someones head and make a real mess at times because I want to see whats in there and fuck around with it. I feel no remorse for the discomfort that it causes them for some reason. Its one of the only ways I even know how to genuinely interact without faking interest in things that I don't care about. I typically abandon the case study after I have figured them out, and they wonder if they did something to upset me. Typically no. I Just don't know what to do with people after I reach a certain point. What can I do with people, really. I don't bowl. Sex, amusement, or information, I suppose. Distractions when I need to get out of my head. I do end up caring about people if they are around me long enough. Its hard to say why or how. I just know that time spent around me has something to do with it.. familiarity. I can only care as much as I can though, really. I don't think its as much as others do somehow. After I have exhausted my efforts troubleshooting their problems, I want to put them back in their case and observe more. I don't like to extend any interaction that involves seriousness.

And I don't really feel much of a connection to most people who are similar to me either. They, of course, feel the same need for psychological space that I need. Then there are the ones who are not similar. They don't understand me well enough to have any real connection. The connections that I mentioned taking place on some level happen with people who are unlike me in many ways, and like me in parts. There is compensation for a lack of some things in these instances where we can sort of fit some pieces together like a puzzle. I get bored or frustrated and end up disconnecting again though. :bored:
 

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Interaction on my part is role-playing most of the time.. I don't often feel connections with people. I see that many seem to genuinely connect. I feel like an observer. I can -seem- like I am connecting because I have learned to act so well (which I used to do, to prove to myself that I could - and now its just for my own personal entertainment unless I need something from them), but whats going on internally is so detached.. so much so that I have wondered if there is something wrong with me. When I was younger I wondered if I was a sociopath. My feelings aren't normal like theirs. My responses aren't. It doesn't actually bother me.. not anymore. I just think its interesting.

I have connected sort of, on some levels with some people. Its rare and awkward. Once I realize it has happened, I can choose to embrace it (and I do so too strongly), or I can distance myself (also do so too strongly). I don't know proper psychological distance. I get into someones head and make a real mess at times because I want to see whats in there and fuck around with it. I feel no remorse for the discomfort that it causes them for some reason. Its one of the only ways I even know how to genuinely interact without faking interest in things that I don't care about. I typically abandon the case study after I have figured them out, and they wonder if they did something to upset me. Typically no. I Just don't know what to do with people after I reach a certain point. What can I do with people, really. I don't bowl. Sex, amusement, or information, I suppose. Distractions when I need to get out of my head. I do end up caring about people if they are around me long enough. Its hard to say why or how. I just know that time spent around me has something to do with it.. familiarity. I can only care as much as I can though, really. I don't think its as much as others do somehow. After I have exhausted my efforts troubleshooting their problems, I want to put them back in their case and observe more. I don't like to extend any interaction that involves seriousness.

And I don't really feel much of a connection to most people who are similar to me either. They, of course, feel the same need for psychological space that I need. Then there are the ones who are not similar. They don't understand me well enough to have any real connection. The connections that I mentioned taking place on some level happen with people who are unlike me in many ways, and like me in parts. There is compensation for a lack of some things in these instances where we can sort of fit some pieces together like a puzzle. I get bored or frustrated and end up disconnecting again though. :bored:
Are you describing me? :tongue:
 

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in my favorite type profile, the author does in fact use the word "alien" for the INTP. i think it's absolutely the word for it. i think an INTP is the alien because the world is kept at an emotional distance. the world is just data for inner theories and thought systems. i feel less a part of the world than an observer of it. "the INTP reduces the world into a raw form that can be shaped to his/her liking"
Exactly. I see people doing all those things around me- hitting bars all the time (having "fun"), chit-chat, emotional stuff, gossip etc... and I feel as if I'm living in a paralel universe... I can't really relate to anyone. I'm there but as if there is an invisible wall between me and the others... an observer.
 
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copypasta from a blog I wrote as it seems relevant to this topic's interests-

The human mind can be thought of like a house. Some are as massive estates filled with hidden chambers and complex passages. Others are like modest, yet well kept apartments. They range from McMansions to secluded woodland cabins to empty refrigerator crates as well. They might be located deep in the bowels of a forest, able to be found only by those who know were to look or get prior directions. Some others are right out on a crowded neighborhood where anyone can find them.

Then there are individuals who do not have minds of their own and are content to move from hotel to hotel or who get by crashing on various other peoples' cerebral couches for brief periods.

The complexity of one’s mental dwelling is one factor. The other factor is the degree to which they allow access of the outside world. There are impenetrable fortresses where access is granted only by special permission or through a secret passage or vulnerable entry point. Some are public abodes open to all 24/7, where every room is on full display. In certain houses the hosts are apt to take guests on an all-inclusive tour and show off each nook and cranny. Others will only receive visitors in the living room or dining area, or maybe even just speak to them through a cracked open door still tethered with a security chain.

Let too many people in and show them where everything is kept and you’ll wake up one morning to see all the fine china gone and the name brand potato chips eaten. And of course there are the guests that overstay their welcome, trying to take up residence on your floor, giving your address as their own.

One’s own mind is about the only form of truly private property that still exists. And trespassers on my neurological lawn get shot on site. Sometimes I give out spare keys and the code to disarm the alarm, but plenty of doors stay locked and bolted.
 

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lol, sometimes I identify more with INTPs than with ENTPs. I have a bad habit of referring to people as "humans" too. I even accidentally blurted out "human offspring" when referring to children, yielding the most priceless WTF look from my companion.

I have this demented fantasy that I was sent to Earth from the Juicy Way Galaxy on a secret mission from birth to observe the sapiens and plot various ways of performing invasive procedures on them. And to discover the appeal of golf.

When I sleep at night, there's always this flash of light outside my window, in my yard, with no traceable cause. I fancy it as a way of taking photographs of the pot I'd stirred among the creatures on Earth. :laughing:

heh. But seriously though, when humans engage in behavior that is so predictable, programmed and without logical basis (such as displays of aggression and mating calls in dive bars, females emitting noises similar to agonized piglets over the sight of a neonate, chat about the weather (which I see as akin to dogs sniffing each other's assholes), it's hard NOT to stand back and watch.
 

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Has anyone here been in a social/work group with, say, 3 or 4 or more INTP? It strikes me that it could end up being one extreme or the other - buzzing or quiet...
 

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Has anyone here been in a social/work group with, say, 3 or 4 or more INTP? It strikes me that it could end up being one extreme or the other - buzzing or quiet...
I am not good at typing people, but I think that I may have dated an INTP once. We would chat, there was several "I agree" and "I know" moments, then complete silence. It was the quietest date I have ever been on, and I did not enjoy the date really.

If there was a group of INTP I think it would likely be just as you describe.
 

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I often feel like I'm not only something different than human, but something less than human. That I'm missing several key ingredients necessary for being a complete human. It seems like huge portions of the human experience are lost on me. Most other people seem connected on this completely different level, like their's this whole other dimension that I'm not aware of. So like a blind man who has developed excellent spatial awareness I've become great at the few things I'm good at, but that doesn't matter because without that essential dimension of communication the only person I'll ever share my successes with is myself. Maybe this has nothing to do with being an INTP, but whatever the cause I am far from these aliens that I am surrounded by.
 

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Is there a way to become un-detached completely? Something other then the temporary barely effective substitute of using adderrall or some alcoholic beverage. I sometimes find instances of being close to nature in all its abundance, forming a soul binding connection with a significant other,and perhaps meditation are the key to honing the reality "on switch" that is so elusive.
It's hilarious that I get so close sometimes and then it just takes less then the blink of an eye...a nanosecond to slip back into detachment. Then I think "who can blame us?" this is pretty sweet after all, sit back and enjoy :cool:

I've heard of this phenomenon called "reality".....they say we are least aware of it when we are deeply immersed in it, yet protected by the bubble of our consciousness....
 
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