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What's the main difference between J and P? I'm trying to find my type and I figured out that I'm ISFx. My enneagram is 6w5 (if that tells something).

- I have always been good at timing, I mean that I have never been late and at school I have always done my homeworks at time.
- I don't like if someone is late from appointments.
- I'm always prepared.

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- I'm not very good if I have to make a decision. I always look things from many angle and that's what makes it hard.
- I don't set long term goals and I'm more go with the flow-type (let's see what happens if I do that).
- I'm procrastinator
- I can't keep my room clean more than one week.

I know that those are just stereotypes, so if someone would like to explain a little bit differences between ISFP and ISFJ and their cognitive funcions, I appreciate that :happy:

And feel free to ask questions of course.
 

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ISFP and ISFJ have totally different cognitive functions.

ISFP ---> Fi, Se, Ni, Te

ISFJ ---> Si, Fe, Ti, Ne

- I have always been good at timing, I mean that I have never been late and at school I have always done my homeworks at time. This seems J
- I don't like if someone is late from appointments. This seems J, but Fi in ISFP could also value more that someone is not late for appointments.
- I'm always prepared. Seems J

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- I'm not very good if I have to make a decision. I always look things from many angle and that's what makes it hard. This could be both ISFP or ISFJ. ISFP because Se could perceive various real-time possibilities. ISFJ because Si is a dominant perceiving function, that could delay the decision making in ISFJ i.e. Fe.
- I don't set long term goals and I'm more go with the flow-type (let's see what happens if I do that). Could be ISFP.
- I'm procrastinator Could be both but ISFJ is more focused in accomplishing it's desired task.
- I can't keep my room clean more than one week. Leaning ISFP

From all that you have posted, I assume that you are an: ISFJ.

I have a few questions to clarify this further:

a) How do you like to approach social situations and how do others react to you in conversation?
b) What's the reason you cannot keep your room clean for more than a week?
c) Who are the types of people you most want to have in your life?
d) How do you deal with rules and regulations?
e) Do you prefer time constrains in various areas in your life?
 

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ISFP and ISFJ have totally different cognitive functions.

ISFP ---> Fi, Se, Ni, Te

ISFJ ---> Si, Fe, Ti, Ne

- I have always been good at timing, I mean that I have never been late and at school I have always done my homeworks at time. This seems J
- I don't like if someone is late from appointments. This seems J, but Fi in ISFP could also value more that someone is not late for appointments.
- I'm always prepared. Seems J

But

- I'm not very good if I have to make a decision. I always look things from many angle and that's what makes it hard. This could be both ISFP or ISFJ. ISFP because Se could perceive various real-time possibilities. ISFJ because Si is a dominant perceiving function, that could delay the decision making in ISFJ i.e. Fe.
- I don't set long term goals and I'm more go with the flow-type (let's see what happens if I do that). Could be ISFP.
- I'm procrastinator Could be both but ISFJ is more focused in accomplishing it's desired task.
- I can't keep my room clean more than one week. Leaning ISFP

From all that you have posted, I assume that you are an: ISFJ.

I have a few questions to clarify this further:

a) How do you like to approach social situations and how do others react to you in conversation?
b) What's the reason you cannot keep your room clean for more than a week?
c) Who are the types of people you most want to have in your life?
d) How do you deal with rules and regulations?
e) Do you prefer time constrains in various areas in your life?
Thanks for answering, and asking :happy:

A) I'm very shy, but I'm one of the most talkative person if I'm with my family or friends. But if I'm with strangers or big group of peoples I barely talk. If someone asks my opinion I agree, I avoid conflicts. Others usually listen what I have to say and let me finish. I feel, however, always more "outsider" in all conversations.

B) I just throw my stuffs everywhere. I don't have spesific order or place to them. I'm also very lazy to clean up, so I just don't care that much.

C) Only the closest ones. Family and relatives. And few close friends. (Is that was what you meant? English is not my fluent)

D) I'm a real perfectionist what comes to rules. I follow recipes and instructions step-by-step. I get nervous if someone tries to make an exception to recipe etc.

E) I'm very exact of time. It doesn't depend from area.
 
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Thanks for answering, and asking :happy:

A) I'm very shy, but I'm one of the most talkative person if I'm with my family or friends. But if I'm with strangers or big group of peoples I barely talk. If someone asks my opinion I agree, I avoid conflicts. Others usually listen what I have to say and let me finish. I feel, however, always more "outsider" in all conversations.

B) I just throw my stuffs everywhere. I don't have spesific order or place to them. I'm also very lazy to clean up, so I just don't care that much.

C) Only the closest ones. Family and relatives. And few close friends. (Is that was what you meant? English is not my fluent)

D) I'm a real perfectionist what comes to rules. I follow recipes and instructions step-by-step. I get nervous if someone tries to make an exception to recipe etc.

E) I'm very exact of time. It doesn't depend from area.
A) Fi
B) Don't know - that answer just says N or P. You either don't clean up because it's a stereotype for P or you don't respond visually (S ) as much which makes you N
C) introvert
D) Te
E) doesn't answer the question


IxFP
 

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A) Fi
B) Don't know - that answer just says N or P. You either don't clean up because it's a stereotype for P or you don't respond visually (S ) as much which makes you N
C) introvert
D) Te
E) doesn't answer the question


IxFP
Thanks for answering too :happy:

I'm not sure about INFP. N is possible, I find both N and S qualities in me, but I think Sensing is more accurate. I have never been good in theories or artistic, but I like philosophing everything and philosophy in general. I like more living at the moment and I'm down to earth type also. I'm not living in fantasies even I like thinking a future a lot. At least I'm not stereotypical INFP.

And about cognitive functions. I found good website where was simple examples and explanations from each function. I relate most to Ne, Si, Fi and Te. And that's makes me INFP or ISTJ depending from order (I'm 100% introvert, so I'm not ENFP or ESTJ). I'm more confused right now. Is it possible that I'm INFP...or ISTJ. Oh my God this is getting hard :confusion:

E: Does this infromation help? Today I heard that I have very angry looking face in general and I don't look like person who is easy to approach. Does face or physical appearance influence to MBTI somehow. I think no, but I want to ask. (That's actually very stupid question, but who knows)
 
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Thanks for answering too :happy:

I'm not sure about INFP. N is possible, I find both N and S qualities in me, but I think Sensing is more accurate. I have never been good in theories or artistic, but I like philosophing everything and philosophy in general. I like more living at the moment and I'm down to earth type also. I'm not living in fantasies even I like thinking a future a lot. At least I'm not stereotypical INFP.

And about cognitive functions. I found good website where was simple examples and explanations from each function. I relate most to Ne, Si, Fi and Te. And that's makes me INFP or ISTJ depending from order (I'm 100% introvert, so I'm not ENFP or ESTJ). I'm more confused right now. Is it possible that I'm INFP...or ISTJ. Oh my God this is getting hard :confusion:

E: Does this infromation help? Today I heard that I have very angry looking face in general and I don't look like person who is easy to approach. Does face or physical appearance influence to MBTI somehow. I think no, but I want to ask. (That's actually very stupid question, but who knows)
Some people are easier to type than others. And some are also more or less stereotypical examples of a certain type.
I'd suggest you start looking into more than one description. Se and Ne can be alike on surface for people new to this theory.
Can you tell me what is that you relate to in description of those functions?
 

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Take this Test, Socionics is more accurate than MBTI. If you score ESI you're ISFP, if you score EII you're INFP.
 

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Some people are easier to type than others. And some are also more or less stereotypical examples of a certain type.
I'd suggest you start looking into more than one description. Se and Ne can be alike on surface for people new to this theory.
Can you tell me what is that you relate to in description of those functions?
Fi: I have strong sense what is right or wrong.
Ne: I see many sides in many situations and in people.
Si: I remember a lot of my past experiences very spesificly.
Te: I like order

Short, but those are parts that I can relate.

Take this sociotype.com/tests/, Socionics is more accurate than MBTI. If you score ESI you're ISFP, if you score EII you're INFP.
I got EII-2Ne (INFj). Other possible types are LII-INTj 88%, IEE-ENFp 77% or ILE-ENTp 73%.

Well, that was an interesting result.
 

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I can't edit last post, but I made a socionics test again with better time and I got EII-2Fi (INFj). I also made another mbti test. Page is scottmunson.info and result was INFP.

Preference Clarity Categories:
(Slight, Moderate, Clear, Very Clear)

Very Clear Introversion: 21/21
Slight Intuition: 13/26
Clear Feeling: 21/24
Moderate Perceiving: 14/22

I have also made cognitive functions test yesterday. Result was: (numbers are %)

Fi 82,2
Te 77,5
Si 77,5
Ni 71,9
Ne 70,0
Fe 65,5
Se 62,5
Ti 40,0
 

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From what I read: INFx, leaning towards INFJ
 

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Hi Pear. Enneagram 6 is one of the most common enneagram types and can be paired with a number of MBTI types, so I can understand your frustration. The 6w5 is going to make for a more knowledgeable person. A 6w5 Perceiving type could be typically disorganized but a stringent rule follower. Your use of the word nervous points to the Enneagram 6. You feel anxiety if the rules aren't followed. It doesn't seem as much about wanting to do it right as fear of doing it wrong, which is a difference between 6s and 1s perhaps. It can appear the same outwardly, but the motivations are different.

There is typically a flip between the J and P in Socionics for introverts. The one possible exception being ISTJ and ISTP. Some Socionicists seem to get those types confused in descriptions, but there should be a flip.

The Socionics and CFs test indicates your Fi is very high and so is your Te. I wouldn't typically expect Te to be so well developed in an INFP. I am half leaning toward ISTJ with well developed Fi. Having your tertiary function so well developed is going to be far more likely than your inferior function. Se, Fe and Ti being low basically rules out ISFP and ISFJ.

I see no reason to think INFJ at all. Besides Ni they have all of your weakest functions.
 

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From what I read: INFx, leaning towards INFJ
Hi!
Okay, I don't know about INFJ, but it's possible too :)

Hi Pear. Enneagram 6 is one of the most common enneagram types and can be paired with a number of MBTI types, so I can understand your frustration. The 6w5 is going to make for a more knowledgeable person. A 6w5 Perceiving type could be typically disorganized but a stringent rule follower. Your use of the word nervous points to the Enneagram 6. You feel anxiety if the rules aren't followed. It doesn't seem as much about wanting to do it right as fear of doing it wrong, which is a difference between 6s and 1s perhaps. It can appear the same outwardly, but the motivations are different.

There is typically a flip between the J and P in Socionics for introverts. The one possible exception being ISTJ and ISTP. Some Socionicists seem to get those types confused in descriptions, but there should be a flip.

The Socionics and CFs test indicates your Fi is very high and so is your Te. I wouldn't typically expect Te to be so well developed in an INFP. I am half leaning toward ISTJ with well developed Fi. Having your tertiary function so well developed is going to be far more likely than your inferior function. Se, Fe and Ti being low basically rules out ISFP and ISFJ.

I see no reason to think INFJ at all. Besides Ni they have all of your weakest functions.
Hi to you too!
ISTJ is very accurate for me so far and so is ISFJ.

I'm little bit confused from difference between thinking and feeling. What is that difference? I have thought that Thinkers can't express their emotions as well as Feelers, but of course they have emotions.
 

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Hi!
Okay, I don't know about INFJ, but it's possible too :)



Hi to you too!
ISTJ is very accurate for me so far and so is ISFJ.

I'm little bit confused from difference between thinking and feeling. What is that difference? I have thought that Thinkers can't express their emotions as well as Feelers, but of course they have emotions.
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ISTJ and ISFJ difference...

ISTJ is more concerned with efficiency of systems
ISFJ is more concerned with how people feel

Both are very detailed.

ISFJs are much more considerate and tend to be very gentle when they type things??? HAHA uhh like when they're in forums or writing e-mails they seem to be very appropriate and mellow? Gentle, etc. Very good communicators.

ISTJs imo are more opinionated... like we'd rather say something even if it's not going to be liked and an ISFJ wants harmony.

ISFJs seem to keep quiet and think more... ISTJs just say things.

Did that help?
 

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ISTJ and ISFJ difference...

ISTJ is more concerned with efficiency of systems
ISFJ is more concerned with how people feel

Both are very detailed.

ISFJs are much more considerate and tend to be very gentle when they type things??? HAHA uhh like when they're forums or writing e-mails they seem to be very appropriate and mellow? Gentle, etc. Very good communicators.

ISTJs imo are more opinionated... like we'd rather say something even if it's not going to be liked and an ISFJ wants harmony.

ISFJs seem to keep quiet and think more... ISTJs just say things.

Did that help?
Yes, thank you.
I'm turning that i'm ISFJ. I'm always very careful what I write or say to people in email or face-to-face. I don't want to hurt others with my words.
My brother is ISTP and he can say very rude words to others. And he doesn't know that it might hurt someone, he's like "that's the truth!"
I'm opposite of that.
 

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- I have always been good at timing, I mean that I have never been late and at school I have always done my homeworks at time.
- I don't like if someone is late from appointments.
- I'm always prepared.

But

- I'm not very good if I have to make a decision. I always look things from many angle and that's what makes it hard.
Hello! I'm ISFJ and I actually have a hard time making decisions too, so I don't think that's just a P thing. For example, just a few weekends ago we were going to have friends over (usually my sis, who is ISTJ, plans these things but without realizing it I was the one to plan it.) And it's not like it would be that hard right? You just pick a time and invite everyone over, get some snacks, pick a movie, whatever. Haha nope. The whole, Oh no, this person will be late at that time but if I make it earlier this person won't be able to come at all, oh shoot do I have to drive and pick up that person he doesn't have a ride, etc. Plus like three other small problems that were festering in my mind about that weekend too :laughing: I stressed myself out so unnecessarily, I know it's ridiculous.

That was my most recent example. But usually I have problems making decisions because I take into consideration everyone's feelings and thoughts, like I won't want to decide anything that will possibly make a certain friend of mine uncomfortable, while being aware that it's something another friend of mine will really want to do. We ISFJs strive for win-win situations with no conflict haha.
:) oh and my room is always messy too haha, I procrastinate on cleaning it all the time. (...should probably do that now instead of reading these threads... Nah!)
 

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I'm not sure about INFP. N is possible, I find both N and S qualities in me, but I think Sensing is more accurate. I have never been good in theories or artistic, but I like philosophing everything and philosophy in general. I like more living at the moment and I'm down to earth type also. I'm not living in fantasies even I like thinking a future a lot. At least I'm not stereotypical INFP.
These theories you refer to are likely thinking rather than intuition. You show interest in intuition with your focus on perspective. You could have tertiary Ne, for example, but I doubt it's inferior.
 
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