I'd say it depends on the context. Some of it is just group-think. But, do people ever really say "I'm proud to be Ecuadorian? ... I'm proud to be a Syrian? No, because either the government is oppressive or inept, and everyone's given up the will to make it better. So anyone who wants to accomplish something with their lives ends up fleeing to another country.Patriotism sucks.
Because being born on this side of a line drawn in dirt shouldn't be important in my life.Now, I view "love" to mean that you strive to help something or someone grow, not the "I'm happy soandso does so much for me" line of reasoning. I guess my question to you is, in that context, why don't you give a crap about your countries?
But unfortunately, when it comes to working or going to school or living a life on the other side of that line, it is very, VERY important. Even if the people on the other side of that line have the same culture and language as your side of the line, the truth of the matter is, you were born on your side of the line and "don't belong" on the other side (unless you fill out a shrimp-boat sized load of papers, appeal to the right bureaucrats and wait a long time...then finally you can get a sticker put on a piece of fancy paper in a fancy book with your side of the line's fancy emblem on the front and be "officially" accepted).Because being born on this side of a line drawn in dirt shouldn't be important in my life.
Scratched the first paragraph...I can't say I'm proud to have been born an American, as I don't believe I had much say in the matter (though who knows, we may have). But, can I say I'm proud to be an American? On a personal level, yes.. I believe I can.
This country was founded on the values of individualism and individual achievement (among other important things), which is something I can agree with wholeheartedly (and I think many INTJ's would). I'm not particularly fond of what my country has been transforming into, so I do get involved in the opposition. I am proud of the efforts I have made so far, and will make more and more efforts in the future.
Now, I view "love" to mean that you strive to help something or someone grow, not the "I'm happy soandso does so much for me" line of reasoning. I guess my question to you is, in that context, why don't you give a crap about your countries?
What they really mean to say is that they are proud to be part of a certain group. Being born into a group is the strongest connection people can feel. It's like family. (for many people that's really important.) It's something that can't be taken away, no matter what you do.It perplexes me that people can be proud to have been born in whatever country. Happiness due to this fact I can understand but its not like you actually achieved anything being born wherever.
Anyone out there able to explain to me what makes people think like this?