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Im almost done with theory. For about 3 weeks straight I was working on my new love formula and I guess I finally made the math and what to say in what situation.

However I am so burned out that I just dont feel like practicing my lines right now. Its hard to imagine the girl in front of me when I didnt have any human contact for the last 3 weeks. Other people just feel so abstract to me. Its like they do not really exist.

I just feel so tired and burned out and now that I am almost ready again to get on the field, I actually dont care. I feel so burned out and tired. Today I saw a really beautiful girl, but it just didnt trigger me.

I also didnt eat healthy the last 3 weeks and I guess its partly because of this.
 

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Wine buzzed
Read this and chuckled
Not in a mean way
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What are we talking about
So many words and thoughts

Just breath and rub one out please
I found your post exceptionally humorous. I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I really like your style. Thanks for brightening my evening. ;)
 

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Im almost done with theory. For about 3 weeks straight I was working on my new love formula and I guess I finally made the math and what to say in what situation.

However I am so burned out that I just dont feel like practicing my lines right now. Its hard to imagine the girl in front of me when I didnt have any human contact for the last 3 weeks. Other people just feel so abstract to me. Its like they do not really exist.

I just feel so tired and burned out and now that I am almost ready again to get on the field, I actually dont care. I feel so burned out and tired. Today I saw a really beautiful girl, but it just didnt trigger me.

I also didnt eat healthy the last 3 weeks and I guess its partly because of this.
So you are such a predator and player that you practice pickup lines? Why not just strike up a conversation and be genuine and authentic? I think P-girls would appreciate that more than some contrived manipulation formula. I highly recommend that you really need to spend some time in your own skin and get your self right before you look for someone else to share your life with.
 

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Hey guys.
Greetings!

I'm one of you. I guess, I spend more time analysing personality types, than actually interacting with people.
Well I do a ton of both. I'm not really sure anymore which I do more. Morality is more my gig than personality, but it just so happens the two are intimately related.

Actually all I want is to have people in my life that fit to me.
That statement is ridiculous. Everyone can fit anyone. It's all a matter of choices.

But here I am sitting in my 30s, all alone in front of my PC, still thinking about what I did wrong almost 2 weeks ago, when I talked to this insanely beautiful girl on the street. And it wears me down. I want to go out. Enjoy the summer. Find my dream girl. But I can't. Because my mind forces me to always plan everything through and that makes me fucking lonely.
Your mind forces you? Are you some crazy woman now? The opposite? Tied to mind as they mostly are to desire? Anger will balance your foolishness. Be mad at yourself. Your self deserves more from you.

You idolize beauty and have no idea of its real (moral) value. It is only an oddity to you, an addiction. And your bizarre analysis is pointless. Each new situation is unfathomably different than the last, so general strategies do not work unless they include intuition (anger), confidence (anger), solid morality (anger, fear, and desire), some general planning (fear), and the will to be good for its own sake (worthy desire).

You CANNOT actually enjoy an addiction. It's in the math that this is impossible. You are forever chasing a joy that the addiction is a substitute for.

So, I thought to start a little diary about my journey of improving myself until I got all the skills ready to face my dream girl and be the man for her I want to be.
Eliminate this ridiculous thinking. Be the man that is GOOD for yourself first, because it is right. In all ways. Then women will come,one way or another. Many will leave you immediately because you are good and they hate that pressure. And that is awesome. You want them gone, and the beautiful crazy ones, the most gone. If you know yourself well and you are mature you will be so happy when they flake out and hate you. It shows the ugliness that is juxtaposed.

Im writing this here, because I guess, you guys are similar to me.
Not really. If you mean that everyone has trouble with relationships and love and especially maturity, ok, yes.

Right now I feel really depressed. I just dodged a deadly bullet. A girl almost moved in and I thought she might be the one. She was very high in P, while surprise, I am fairly high in J. But guess what, after spending 2 month with me she suddenly decided to meet another dude and 1 day later she moved in to him.
You dont know her. She doesnt know herself. You dont know yourself. The blind leading the blind is really not at all likely to result in success, even in a short term.

And the desire types can be flippant and pretend not to care easier than a serious fear type like you.


I really need a girl high in P, but WTF. Thing was, because of the corona hysteria the buses at my area dont drive, so we were waiting a while, because she was moving in from another town. And that other dude happened to live in her area. I guess I am the better catch overall, but he just had the better position. Sucks.. But good thing was, her P mind made her a hardcore liar. She used to say, she just lives in the moment, which enabled her to dodge all responsibilities.
Do not waste time trying to figure out desire. It is chaos. It is random. It is the destroyer of analysis and defies it completely, even as the prisons of reason and fear occlude desire.

Self-restraint is founded first in fear. It is predicated on a mistrust of desire, in its colloquial meaning. As people have mentioned P and J mean nothing in relation to lying. Order and fear lie for serious reasons and they do so systematically. Desire lies more often for passion and hedonism.

Yeah and my history with girls does not look much better. I am actually fairly good looking. At least when I approach girls at the night on the street, they tell me, normally they would be afraid, but since they found me attractive, they are okay with it.
Beauty of this kind is LESS relevant than moral beauty, the beauty of maturity. Physical beauty is compelling but fleeting. And the rot of desire and too much patterning (repetitive stress) of fear will destroy life, and beauty anyway. Wisdom preserves beauty and the inner and outer compliment. Seek truth and flow with love and reality.

And yet I didnt fuck for several years now. Why? Because I strive for perfection... Actually my character is pretty balanced.
What is this perfection to you?

But in terms of relation, I am totally IxxJ. Thats why I spent most time searching on the internet. But I failed hard. Its tragic. You know, I was a hardcore user back in the early days of the internet. In the past I had some big successes. I was able to get 2 major relationships from another town to my area. But then generation Z happened and my old tactics failed hard. Im going for 18-23 girls, if the character is perfect I also take 25+, but hey, as long as I look young, I want to date young. Anyway most girls from gen z were totally crazy. But to be fair: I had a tendency towards them. I usually went to places where you would encounter the more emo type. I never used stuff like tinder, because I feel so exposed. I dont want ppl from my area to see my profile. That made online dating much harder for me. And in the end I have to admit defeat.
I am older than you even but I agree entirely. Gen Z is insane. As in even more women from that generation are crippled in terms of maturity. They are creatures of lost desire and even the fear ones are bent too much to order as a bizarre affectation, rather than real discipline. They play at morality but it is deeply one-sided, desire leaning, chaos-apology, chaos-love.

Now I am a day gamer, which means, I go out on the street and approach girls there. I did not do it that long yet, but results are promising. Most girls like me, I already got a few numbers and I know my weak points and where to improve. But still... I feel so burned out.
It is because you exhaust your mind and not your body or your passion. You are super imbalanced to fear and order. You must learn to use the other two emotions well to arrive at wisdom and balance. You really NEED the calm and confidence of anger that demands that no plan is needed, that demands you can say the wrong thing in the right way and still win, that demands your share from all of life and existence.

I know I can make it. But at what price?
In terms of maturity and wisdom no price is too great. Death is acceptable. Fear has trouble admitting this.

I am at a point where I am pretty much asexual. I try to do it once per week because its healthy to do so. But I do not have a single fantasy, that stimulates me.
Stimulation and excitement are choices. fear is actually properly defined as an excitable state that arises as a pattern from one's past. Further fear is about the business of calming that state. So this ennui you feel is the over abundance of fear. It can lead to nihilism, jaded joylessness, and indeed analysis paralysis. You are VERY there.

You DO NOT need anymore of the path of mind.

All girls I ever loved cheated on me.
A cheater cheats themselves really with lies and the inconsistent rot of immoral desire. They are all creatures of addiction. It with avail them not. Feel sorry for them and you will properly balance your own issues, better.

Porn is full of cheap sluts and that is the opposite of what I want. So, what is left?
You must be prepared to forgive a slut that is contrite and asks genuinely for forgiveness. you must eventually forgive yourself for your over thinking, and paralysis, your so far failing struggle to understand morality, etc.

Right now the only thing I truly enjoy is talking to the most beautiful girls and just look at their angelic faces.
Basking in addiction strengthens rot. Refuse it when you can and grow in strength. Own your choices and do not let them own you. But stop planning and demand more attentiveness from yourself to the moment, to truly taking it all in, to living.

I must conquer them. But how long will it take? Today my hair was so fluffy. I could have gone out and maybe find the right one. But instead I was lying in my bed, thinking about tactics to get her if she has a boyfriend.. Because most beauties have. If things work well, maybe I can start another run next week. But sldkknfsdlknfsdlkn I want them in my bed now!!!!!!!!!!!1
This impatience and resentment is very enneatype 1. How tedious. That enneatype is to me, from what I have seen, the LEAST likely of all types to build a success in relationships. No one loves the critic, the judge, the harsh resentful anger. Best learn yourself and be ready to work with desire and anger more properly.

Lets see what is planned for tonight... I will create a plan when I allow my self to destroy her relationship. If she really loves him and they are a couple for years, I will respect that and dont go between them. If she says she really loves him, but knows him for 3 days, then I know she has no plan about her life and I need to plan it for her.
You are wrong here. Love is the only conclusion in existence. It is everything. It is in all moments to any depth. Love can be instantaneous and in fact the only reason it is not always there is that we fight it immorally.

It is totally a waste of time that will backfire to try to sabotage their thing. It will endear her to him to protect what you wish to destroy or harm. You will make their thing MORE, not less precious.

If she doesnt love him, then of course I will try to make her mine. Well, thats a little peek on what I usually think about. Sounds pretty logical and simple, but its the MASSES of informations, that make it so hard for me.{/quote]
Fear has to count and judge. Anger just intuits and throws itself at the world. Anger is standing against all existence only as you, your choices.

Its really tough to think about killing other people relationships. Still most people do it all the time. But the difference is I am the one thinking about it to make it morally acceptable.
The way you speak of it is nowhere near moral or balanced. You are merely and egregiously self interested and rationalizing.

I wish so much, that my future girl will love me for that kind of mind set. But sadly I only want young girls and they are very often very naive and just have no clue how good I really am.
Only a broken women, and there are many, would love that sort of selfish pragmatism. You should learn that this is not a wise path.
 
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@series0 That was a well-thought out response. I thank you, and also in behalf of my friend.
That was extremely eloquent and elegant. Your mind is a gem.

I would love to learn more about your philosophy/worldview. Yes, it's been scattered here and there on the forums but the topic/situations weren't so interesting to me, haha.

Some brief definitions might be in order:
morality, addiction, anger (especially in a positive light), fear (especially in a positive light), passion, maturity and the relation of it all to beauty.
But I would really like to know about addiction, anger and passion in particular (at least as of this writing).

For the record, I like enneagram 1s, even those that identify as 5 but might be 1. They are difficult people for sure, but when I get to know them, I get more sympathetic instead of resentful. With some other types, that goes the other way around.

If this is too off-topic, feel free to PM me.
 

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@series0 That was a well-thought out response. I thank you, and also in behalf of my friend.
Hopefully, he does not find it too challenging. It is meant to challenge but not too much.

That was extremely eloquent and elegant. Your mind is a gem.
I try and I do not always succeed. But forgiving myself is a thing also. The model is something I am excited about and can get over excited about upon occasion. My friends all have standing allowances to ask me to stop if I get carried away.

I would love to learn more about your philosophy/worldview. Yes, it's been scattered here and there on the forums but the topic/situations weren't so interesting to me, haha.
Ha ha, so, my model suggests that being interested is ... moral duty. This is even in the most bland cases, as love is still present in all its glory and only the decision to accept it, to notice it in that situation, is possibly wrong or missing. I myself fall short of this lofty goal all the time. But I am working on it, being always caring, about everything.

Some brief definitions might be in order:
morality, addiction, anger (especially in a positive light), fear (especially in a positive light), passion, maturity and the relation of it all to beauty.
But I would really like to know about addiction, anger and passion in particular (at least as of this writing).
Morality is the subject matter surrounding wisdom, or the pursuit of objective GOOD. This is a monstrous sticking point with some people, usually misled by desire. They are thus desire/chaos apologists. They want to avoid too much order, too much restraint of their ... wants. As such they prefer a particular type of delusion which is - subjective morality. This is the idea that FINALLY, morality is subjective. I do not hold to that belief.

All truths are true for all or they are not truths. That is the definition of truth. In this sens the words truth, perfection, morality, and even love are all actually synonymous, if one understands.

It is delusion to expect or suspect or believe that a subjective opinion is objective.

This delusion leads chaos apologists to assert incorrectly philosophically that morality itself is subjective. They do not realize or refuse to accept that whereas we do live subjectively, we can postulate and affirm and within reason 'prove' that reality is objective, not subjective. Third party consensus is one testing ground that assists us in this 'proof'. This is as simple and risky both as affirming that amid people most people would usually agree are wise, there is a perhaps alarming and repetitive pattern as to what wisdom is, what is moral. Over time this changes but the articulation of such changes is very small, very detailed, very ramified. It is exceedingly rare that large branches of accepted truth are pruned as delusional or mostly delusional.

That SAME delusion leads order apologists to assert that certainty is possible, e.g. that things, anything at all, can be known, or proven (without quotes). The reason I say 'proven' above is because there is no such thing as final proof. As such certainty is ridiculous and a very unwise position. We MUST morally maintain doubt towards everything. But fear based order apologists like to feel comfortable and their fear doesnt let them. So, fear is coupled with a need for certainty in the unwise.

So, you can see that both sides, the chaos/desire side and the fear/order side are deluded in specific ways.

Anger is an interesting third emotion. It is concerned with being, with essence. Essence has as its basis, a fundamental dependence on cause and effect. You can consider that discussion one about BALANCE. As a result all causes and effects balance each other because fundamentally they must. If you consider desire and fear opposed forces, that must balance, you get the idea. But anger is interesting in that it can be its own thing. It is thus a tension, a third force between fear and desire and each of these three primal emotions acts on the other.

The three primal emotions are all related directly to tenses of time. Fear is ONLY directly related to the past. Fear is an excitable state arrived at by matching patterns from one's past. Al thought is only sourced in fear. The meta concepts or virtues of awareness, preparation, and joy are all fear. Thus all intelligence is only fear. Fear is deeply related to order as a meta concept. Amid the three sub fears I mentioned preparation is the most orderly. Awareness is neutral, and joy is actually desire infused fear.

Desire is a wish to become. This wish is not rational, or let's say need not be. Desire is random seeming. It can be in any direction for any thing or situation, any wish. As such desire MEANS you are not worthy. This odd truth about desire is very worth noting. It reflects unworthiness upon you. If you want something you sense that you are not enough unto yourself and that is VERY dangerous. Anger steps in to demand that fairness requires you belong, you are worthy by being a part of the unity, and finally that any and all desires are not required. You are already whole.

Fear by contrast with desire, causes a refection of delusional worthiness. It is sourced in order and separation, hierarchy. So it draws lines between things and incorrectly asserts 'lesser' status in worthiness to things. Anger again demands that each part belong and thus in that sense, in some final sense, each part is equally worthy. So anger is about unity, defying the separation of fear.

For the record, I like enneagram 1s, even those that identify as 5 but might be 1. They are difficult people for sure, but when I get to know them, I get more sympathetic instead of resentful. With some other types, that goes the other way around.
I agree, but, you are a person of fair wisdom and distinction, I can tell based on your responses and such. Most people are NOT that capable of wisdom. Wisdom is the pretentious product of the type 1. However, they are actually order and fear infused anger. So they often fail as order apologists. They fail in the fear way. That is to say they assert some delusional certainty, effectively. This certainty is FELT by partners and just others. It is judgmental. Over time, this seems 'holier than thou'. That is a particularly damning broadcast. All teachers, all judges, and indeed all the wise run a great risk of being at least mildly hated. People all inherently sense that wisdom is where its at. Failing at a game is one thing. Failing at the game of games is quite another. Defensiveness arises rather rapidly. Wisdom demands that we judge against an implied or projected perfection. That is immensely hard. It is infinitely hard. Especially desire types refuse to do that to themselves. They flee into hedonism and subjective morality to avoid truth.

You asked about addiction and that is merely immoral desire that becomes a pattern for the person. Remember the way I defined desire? It makes you feel worthless. So as long as you feed your addiction, you feel more and more empty and worthless. It is a law of love and truth and morality. To heal you must DENY your want. This is tricky to do correctly.

Love is only fear, anger, and desire. That is all there is.

So what is the GOOD? The GOOD is perfection, the best choice. It is the goal of the universe, and the system of love. Alignment with GOOD (it is objective, so you can align with it), causes happiness. The more you miss alignment and to the degree you miss it, you WILL be unhappy. That is a law of the universe. Morality is the law. Even if the person says they are happy doing evil, they are not. It is delusional. Perfect happiness is objective. It is only and always one thing. Opinions do not matter. If this were not true as a minor 'proof' we COULD NOT sense progress at all. If morality and the GOOD were subjective as many deluded people believe, nothing could be in balance. From one moment to the next within ANY timeframe reality would fall apart. Only the fact of objective truth allows any reality.
 

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Respect, old man. Its very rare, that some people can teach me a lesson, that I am willing to accept. But its a tough one and I dont know how far I am willing to go with it.

You were right, I was very imbalanced. Always have been. Always tried to escape it. I felt like I had to walk the Mind path to the end, before I started with the passion path. Even though I know its not effective. I dont know why, but that was how I was. I have to think about that.

Anyway I am set now. Alone the last 2 days I approached about 40 girls on the streets. This is more than other men do in their entire lifespan. And I have the confidence to do it, because I know what I do now.

You just taught me this model about mind, body, passion, fear and so on. I have to think about it more. But I guess, you are right. I need more anger. However what you also should know is, that I already had a phase in my life full of anger. But I failed, because I lacked the mind. So, it was partly my anger, that was keeping me sane while I was alone and just thinking. It was more that my mind tried to jail my anger, because in the past it did not work. But know I feel like finding my balance. I just wonder why I was not born with it. But who is perfect in this world..

People keep telling me: I should focus more on myself, dont depend on others, especially not on the beauty of young women. But am I not focusing on myself by isolation and thinking about myself? Can it not be my life purpose to claim beauty? It is common that one would find its profession, some become bus driver, some become doctor. Why cant I work with beautiful women?

I feel like everyone tells me to live an introverted life, where happiness comes from within. But I am only 50% introvert. But it seems like that those people I get along with are very often very spiritual people, that are about to leave the material world behind and just feel like meditating the whole day. Its not what I want, at least not now. A few days ago I was alone in the forest, trying to calm down, meditating myself. Yes, I can do it. But I dont need much of it. Once I am totally calm, I start my extroverted life again. And I enjoy it. But still.. when I really like a girl she is so introverted and spiritual, that she almost has no need for me. I feel like there is no one at my balance point. Maybe just bad luck so far. But it bothers me. They either dont want to spend much time with others. Some do drugs, whereas I feel like they try to compensate their loneliness. Especially this type of girl that is pansexual.

I am going to write more, but I need to let it sink first.
 

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I think I came to an important conclusion. I think, there is some balance in the design of humanity. I believe, that in society we may differ as individuals, but in general we find balance through others. However the problem I am facing now is, that since I am high on J and need a high P counterpart, they usually all do drugs. And that is why I do not find a counterpart. Because they fuck their brain up, so they are not capable of leading relationships anymore. Ps just have no fear of longterm consequences, which is why drugs are so attractive for them. But the more they depend on them, the less they need relationships.
 

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Respect, old man. Its very rare, that some people can teach me a lesson, that I am willing to accept. But its a tough one and I dont know how far I am willing to go with it.
This is the truth of all will, all desire. Are you willing? Until you are, you will suffer your own excess of desire, and that is good, because you will then have experience to earn wisdom, the wisdom that I spoke of.

The duty of guidance is to offer you the right wisdom first, but, often enough youth will need to feel it first, the pang of suffering, before belief is made firm enough.

Still, being aware of the truth, even perhaps knowing that when you sense what I referred to has happened you can come back and re-read this, or that simply put, the three emotions must be in balance for wisdom's sake, you will be pre-armed with truth. This is the role of the wise. To pre-arm the inexperienced such that suffering is minimized to what is necessary only.

You were right, I was very imbalanced. Always have been. Always tried to escape it. I felt like I had to walk the Mind path to the end, before I started with the passion path. Even though I know its not effective. I dont know why, but that was how I was. I have to think about that.
We are all a bundle of strengths and weaknesses. Desire is so unstable, so revealing, that people want to format it, control it, let it out only with a few.

Desire types however are very comfortable being vulnerable in this way. They fling themselves at their desires and risk the rot and exposure all the time. It's self indulgent and addictive and it will destroy a person if they do not learn to balance with anger and fear.

The bodies and minds of desire types pay for their excesses as can be predicted. Anger is the emotion of the body and fear that of the mind. Neglect the emotion and the somatic part will rot. So, be careful of neglecting desire, as what is then rotten is what is commonly called the soul. My claim is that the soul if it is a thing is all three emotive somatic parts combined. I would offer the word 'will' for the desire somatic component.

Anyway I am set now. Alone the last 2 days I approached about 40 girls on the streets. This is more than other men do in their entire lifespan. And I have the confidence to do it, because I know what I do now.
You DO NOT know, because there is no knowing. Knowing and certainty are delusional fear.

You have confidence because of raw anger, you exist and you have the right to do. THIS is where confidence properly comes from, NOT knowing.

Of course having proper judgment and knowing many patterns (from fear) DOES assist in success. This is pragmatism, the path of fear and order.

And clearly, you WANT female attentions or companionship. That is desire invoking you to act.

Your path as described is effectively the numbers game, reflecting a lower degree of passion, though. The high passion (and fear) person would spend a great amount of time feeling out a person for being 'right'. Such a person often has too many fear hoops for a target to jump through. They would wait until bells were ringing in their minds. The high passion (and anger) person is a whorish body lust fiend. They are so busy slaking their anger lust in their body that they ignore everything else. Oddly, the best approach with passion is the neutral denial of self gratification spoken of in things like the marshmallow experiment. This time anneals the passion process, forcing the body to wait, and the mind to attend other matters or analyze in the background, rather than making things imminent. This lack of rush, or over-expressed will, is wise and will assist you in finding a lasting relationship. It is NOT the numbers game you are now playing, although a numbers game as we all know can work by chance.

You just taught me this model about mind, body, passion, fear and so on. I have to think about it more. But I guess, you are right. I need more anger. However what you also should know is, that I already had a phase in my life full of anger. But I failed, because I lacked the mind. So, it was partly my anger, that was keeping me sane while I was alone and just thinking. It was more that my mind tried to jail my anger, because in the past it did not work. But know I feel like finding my balance. I just wonder why I was not born with it. But who is perfect in this world..
Exactly! No one is perfect. All of experience is the path of earning wisdom. It has no other purpose. Were you to die alone, poor, and without kids, but wise, your life would be more of a success than a rich person with many children who had earned no wisdom. This is a hard truth for a pragmatic person to accept, yet it is true.

People keep telling me: I should focus more on myself, dont depend on others, especially not on the beauty of young women. But am I not focusing on myself by isolation and thinking about myself?
Your phrasing here is odd, but, within understanding the GOOD, objective moral truth, your GOOD is the same as everyone's GOOD, so focusing on being GOOD yourself is really the only thing you have. That is to say, even if you are a social genius you cannot actually FORCE others to choose as you would have them choose. So, you are mostly responsible for yourself alone. Still, ultimately, you are responsible for everyone else's choices, because you are them and they are you.

Can it not be my life purpose to claim beauty?
Claim is an odd word, a wrong word mostly. Ownership is delusional. You are literally already them and they are you. So, there is no need to 'claim' them. Respect is allowing every moral agent its choice. So, any 'claim' must be mutual to be wise. Are these 'claims' mutual? Are you fooling them? Are you overwhelming them with your power, your beauty, your pattern? These are unwise paths. Again, time allows the temperament to quench its reckless passion more properly.

It is often a combination of over-expressed desire - addiction, wanting something to badly, which causes one to debase oneself in the pursuit, losing integrity, dignity; and over-expressed anger - demand for immediacy, NOW NOW NOW, that ruins things. Instead of 'claiming' them, you control them, and they break. 'Twisting and turning, your feelings are burning, ... you're breaking the girl ...' - Chili Peppers

It is common that one would find its profession, some become bus driver, some become doctor. Why cant I work with beautiful women?
You bounce all around with these statements. First it was claim, now it's work with. What does that mean? What is 'claim'? What is 'work with'?

Of course you can. But if you are weak to this temptation, you are abasing yourself. And you will rush towards the candy jar, and break it and everything in it.

I feel like everyone tells me to live an introverted life, where happiness comes from within.
YOU have misdefined introverted.

Everything DOES come from within and without. But that is NOT introversion or extroversion.

To be in balance, you must have everything come from within, AND without.

So, this changes nothing in their request to you. They are effectively saying, you need some work within to balance what you want without.

This is ACCURATE mostly. The extrovert must learn to be more introverted just as the introvert should learn to be more extroverted. It's not really hard to understand that.

But I am only 50% introvert.
The percent here is confusing. You are mixing apples and oranges, so to speak. I explained above, and if needed I can explain in another way, just let me know.

But it seems like that those people I get along with are very often very spiritual people, that are about to leave the material world behind and just feel like meditating the whole day. Its not what I want, at least not now. A few days ago I was alone in the forest, trying to calm down, meditating myself. Yes, I can do it. But I dont need much of it. Once I am totally calm, I start my extroverted life again. And I enjoy it. But still.. when I really like a girl she is so introverted and spiritual, that she almost has no need for me.
Ah, young man, trust me, you are on the right path saying these things.

It is a wise person that needs no other. But the wise are happier and they consort only with other wise for mates, in general. They feel and relish that glowing happiness. It is confidence. It is preparation. It is will. It is everything combined the RIGHT way. And YES, it is a lack of need. Need is provided by love. They have it already, for themselves. That is wise. You are not needed. That is wise.

Needy people become codependent, addicted to one another, and they rot one another. That is not wise.

The feeling you feel from them is the RIGHT thing to feel in a mate.

Further, I will say that these meditators you speak of are NOT necessarily wise. This way you speak of it is anti-anger, left wing, and a moral failure. It is a strong tendency these days, especially in women of the left. They are anger deniers in general, and only use anger to support their deluded passions. They have lost balance and in many cases this means lacking anger, they retreat from the physical world. They are less sexual, less active, less, less, less. The only thing that flares their presence is their causes, their triggers, and that is also then immoral over-expression. I am not saying they are not worthy, as all people are, but it is very hard to convince a person who believes they are morally superior that they are failing morally. Yet they are. It can be a long and failing battle to get these women to re-engage their physical selves. To re-enter the NOW. They may even be yoga types and still they are retreating from the NOW. It's very tricky and quite common.

I feel like there is no one at my balance point. Maybe just bad luck so far. But it bothers me. They either dont want to spend much time with others. Some do drugs, whereas I feel like they try to compensate their loneliness. Especially this type of girl that is pansexual.
Yes, pansexuality is often a lack of being in touch with the self. It is often an appeal to the ideals, rather than what is. This is desire. The imagination prefers the ideal. So, it flees from what is. This then denies the self as worthy. It cannot help but result in a lack of dignity for the self. Often such women find themselves as mere cells in their groups (women, as oppressed, and guilty due to worthlessness (white guilt especially)). So each piece plays on the other and they are trapped in a world of retreating essence.

I am going to write more, but I need to let it sink first.
Sink in, I hope, and not really just sink.
 
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The kind of bullshit that passes off as "intellectualism" on PerC always a fucking hoot loool.
The delusion of 'intellectualism' is just as much BS. Your attitude offers me a real hoot as well. Maybe in time you will become wiser. And then again, if you keep your attitude, maybe not. More's the pity.
 

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I think I came to an important conclusion.
Do not do this.

Conclusions are for fools. Instead come to a non-conclusion. This is phrase, the meaning of which I have refined.

A non-conclusion reminds you that there is no such thing as proof and you could be wrong. It admits within its wording that error is expected within the so far accepted result or belief. This keeps belief open to being questioned. Many pragmatics prefer the delusion of certainty. But that is immoral error, in all cases.

'Doubt may be an unpleasant condition, but certainty is absurd!' - Voltaire
'It's not what you don't know that get you in trouble. It's what you do know for certain, that just ain't so!' - Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

There are parts of Twain's comment that I disagree with, namely that what you don't know does not get you in trouble, it does; but his sentiment is really the same as Voltaire's overall, and both are true.

I think, there is some balance in the design of humanity. I believe, that in society we may differ as individuals, but in general we find balance through others.
I am a stickler and I apologize, but this wording is NOT in balance. We find balance in ALL WAYS, both within ourselves and with respect to everything else in our lives including others. THAT statement is in balance. Do you understand why?

However the problem I am facing now is, that since I am high on J and need a high P counterpart, they usually all do drugs. And that is why I do not find a counterpart. Because they fuck their brain up, so they are not capable of leading relationships anymore. Ps just have no fear of longterm consequences, which is why drugs are so attractive for them. But the more they depend on them, the less they need relationships.
There are many untruths in this set of statements. You would do well to be mindful of them. Here goes.

P people are indicated by their willingness not to judge up front. They let things happen and see how it went. That DOES NOT mean they do not learn and earn wisdom. So your very black and white pragmatic judgment of them is incorrect. (I myself am almost 75% P)

The difference between P and j IS NOT the reason you have not found a counterpart. That is way spurious thinking for too many reasons to write here.

'Drugs' is a broad category. Most DO NOT fuck up the brain any more than life in general does. That is to say, for instance, playing football fucks up the body and the brain with impact after impact. Martial arts does the same. Also, as we discussed yoga and meditation suggest a retreat from life that can become addicting. Reading is the same way. Escapist fantasy like online games and video games in general is the same way. Even work can become an addiction that tempts one away from moral growth. What then are these things?

Drugs are not really the issue. They are just something to experience. Wisdom teaches us the VALUE of experience. So drugs are actually in many ways wise in terms of risk. The depth and breadth of experience is important. It is addiction that we must attend to in these matters. That is to say watch for the pattern of too much this or that. Watch for the train of excuses and rot that follows the addiction. Suggest kindly that such a person try a walk in the woods. Suggest kindly that they avoid their addiction to do so. Suggest kindly that they get enough of x, where x is their addiction and that it is healthy to miss x occasionally and in fact NOT TO NEED it. Do you see now the link between not needing and wisdom is profound. The wise, in general, do not need as much. Need is a hard word. An addict needs.
 
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The delusion of 'intellectualism' is just as much BS. Your attitude offers me a real hoot as well. Maybe in time you will become wiser. And then again, if you keep your attitude, maybe not. More's the pity.
:ROFLMAO:

You could have just typed "No U" instead of your typical word salad that pretends to contain a lot more than it actually contains, but I guess you have a gimmick to live up to.
 

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:ROFLMAO:

You could have just typed "No U" instead of your typical word salad that pretends to contain a lot more than it actually contains, but I guess you have a gimmick to live up to.
Yes, a 'gimmick', if that is offering the best I can towards wisdom, genuinely, in a way that people can actually understand, even if it is a complex subject, then ok.

Word salad is often used as a term to imply meaningless addition of words. I do not find my arrangements of words in any way meaningless, and in fact, that is precisely my point in their arrangement, to BEST convey the specific meaning.

Your suggestion of, 'No U', is indeed what flavor your posts here have. Eventually, the joke is on the jester, don't you think?
 

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Indeed, series is one of the very few people I found in my forum years, that actually has clues what is going on. He is top 1%.

SilentScream however is just your typical keyboard warrior. Nothing what he writes has value, neither for me nor for himself I assume or what does he get from me? Its sad to see such a high post count on him. Not saying all he writes is BS, but thing is, I am the type of person that polarizes. And my threads clearly shows us who is standing on the side of intellect and who is standing on the side of insults and BS.
 
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