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Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?
 

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What does it mean to be valueless to you?

Does lacking Fe mean you don't fit into a political tribe? I don't think it does. Does not fitting in to a particular mindset make you valueless or do you have your own unique values?
 

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Well, if you're looking to Fe to compare your Fi values, you're going to feel like an outcast. I'm very similar, I don't really fit into any particular political or moral ideology. I can't think of any "tribe" that wouldn't find a particular habit of mine pretty sketchy or vice versa, but I am very moral at heart. But my morality doesn't naturally align with any single group.

This isn't particularly unusual, not everybody fits completely anywhere, but I do think that Fi finds the value differences disconcerting.

You said that "The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior.", can you expound on this?
 

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Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?

Well lets work on this a bit, then. It's brave to reach out on these things, I think. I like it and I think we safely can facilitate growth on these forums.

First lets get this question out of the way: Could you be an ENTP?. Would you say you feel strong feelings and "right and wrong" kind of judgments often? For instance like, "That feels so right" or "That is SO WRONG! OR do you feel more like judgments are more about reasons like: "That makes sense" Or "That doesn't make sense" So that can be a consideration.

As for politics, a lot depends on what information you listen to since if you listen to both sides you can sometimes see missing information in the other side or a certain spin that starts to look like it's founded on nothing and run by fear or hate. Well, some people never look at the information in politics and likely live just fine.

To develop Fi you have to feel. You dig into and explore your feelings and other people's feelings. You basically study feelings by looking at the situations of others and then if you have Fi you can't help but get more and more opinions. Fe "wafts" in whenever you're talking with people. Ti takes studying data which also makes you generate more and more opinions.

Alright, lets hear what you'd like to say.
 

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Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?
It doesn't seem like a one-function thing to me, it's a culmination of things, like it's very possible you haven't cultivate an interest in politics and therefore not exposing yourself to enough information to begin with.

Having trouble placing yourself because you see good things may actually be *too* much F influence, as you judge things feel 'good' and avoid exposing yourself to further, possibly conflict-inducing information to change your decision.

You probably need to tell us more about your thought process here.
 

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Having a "passionate" directioned and singular stance on a majority of things is not "mature Fi" no. In fact, mature Fi should be felt not over-analysed. A.k.a. just be yourself/gowiththeflow/don'ttrytoohard,etc.

Take care of yourself properly and be healthy in physical ways first, social and habitual ways second, do healthy self-esteem boosting things, and your Fi will work on its own. It's when you are stressed or live an unhealthy life in whatever form that may be that Fi will degrade, and you can't "correct it" with logic and analysis Te like this post is doing. Having said that as I write this the reason I know this is because I do the same thing.

There's a reason why ENFPs like Will Smith display an inspiring level of Fi values every single day, and it's because he is disciplined in taking healthy actions for his physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing every single day. Once that happens- Fi is automatic.

Exercise for example is one of the best ways to improve Fi just by itself if you can get into the regular habit of it.
 

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Ah, so many replies. I'm on my phone now so I will be giving general answers.

Valueless means not being able to point any value and say it resonates with me.

I like being honest to the point of being blunt and naive. I feel the need to be real that I think has a lot to do with Fi. I always felt that was the FiTe in me, with the Ne wanting to see the chaos that ensues when unconfortable truths come to light.

I thought I was ENTP for a while. But I'm pretty sure I have Te, not Ti and Fi not Fe. I have very black and white thinking and have NeTe loops a lot. At least I think I do...
 

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Having trouble placing yourself because you see good things may actually be *too* much F influence, as you judge things feel 'good' and avoid exposing yourself to further, possibly conflict-inducing information to change your decision.
Well, that would still fall under the category of "immature Fi", seeing that it's not being tempered by other functions when it needs to be.

Finding "a spot on a political spectrum" is overrated. Politics tends to be a tangled cobweb of misinformation, half-truths, hidden information, etc. And things are constantly changing and being redefined. I'm not saying politics is overall a bad thing, but it's complex and it's messy and it's driven by millions of people with millions of different ideas on how the world "should" be. It's perfectly logical to just refrain from choosing a "side" or offering an opinion if you feel like you don't have enough information or if you need time to sort it all out first. And like Panda said, maybe you simply haven't exposed yourself to very much of it.

Politics is full of hot-headed people with hot-headed opinions and a lot of pressure to conform. Don't let those people influence you, or make you feel like you absolutely need to pick a side so they can decide whether to keep you "in" their group or kick you to the curb. If they're so eager to kick you out if you don't conform to their standards of political perfection, just let them go. You shouldn't be confined to living your life by their rules.
 

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Well, that would still fall under the category of "immature Fi", seeing that it's not being tempered by other functions when it needs to be.
Yea but framing it like that is perhaps inaccurate as it isn't the action of a single function here but the dynamic of the personality and therefore how all functions work together and what specific preferences the individual has. It may seem like a technicality but I think such small things amount to a better understanding of typology & personality, in the end.

I absolutely agree with what you say about politics and also for me, I always put a lot of thinking on the general humanity issues of ethics/morality and overarching political stuff which is a thing NPs often do even when they don't pick from the existing sides. So that's something that makes me not relate with OP as I'm getting the sense he doesn't do the above either. So, more info would be good.
 

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@ENFPurpleKitti Putting pressure on me to conform would do nothing other than make me not want to conform. I've got my own idea of how the world should be and when I'm getting informed on politics I never care about who did what, I'm interested in the general themes, values and actions and consequences that took place which makes me refine what I see as ideal, and considering that what I deem as ideal is faaaaaar off from any political party I'm aware of, I just pick whatever ticks most of the boxes when it's time to vote. If we're talking about US politics - then I don't think it'd really matter which side you pick, they're pretty much the same in my book.

You could think of my values as too ideal or unrealistic, but then again, would it be better to base my values on the current 'relevant' party legislations? I'd consider it a personal catastrophe, a death to all dreams.
 

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First lets get this question out of the way: Could you be an ENTP?. Would you say you feel strong feelings and "right and wrong" kind of judgments often? For instance like, "That feels so right" or "That is SO WRONG! OR do you feel more like judgments are more about reasons like: "That makes sense" Or "That doesn't make sense" So that can be a consideration.
Hmm I've vaguely heard something similar somewhere that enfp could have strong sense of likes/dislikes and right/wrong :) But now thinking about that, I don't have much of that feature and more often take things based on how much sense they make, without feeling whether they are subjectively wrong personally for me. It's either that my Fi has became very much less subjective judger with age and experience or it isn't necessarily ENFP thing at all? :)

@Radha don't worry. I do feel too that I'm not even trying to place myself politically or any other ways to any particular group but there's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't mean you don't have values or that they're distorted :)
 

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Is it just Ne constantly throwing wrenches in your gears by feeding your Fi different scenarios or immature Fi if you find yourself sort of rootless and "valueless?". The more I think about my values, the more I detect mere guidelines for my own personal behavior. I literally have trouble placing myself on any spot on a political spectrum as I see good things on all four traditional corners of the political compass. Kind of feels I'm missing Fe completely?
Curious how old you are. This does sound like a transitional period in your life which is actually good. When past perspectives and values are kinda rattled and don't hold the same staying power. Maybe there were circumstances you never had to work out for yourself that now get your attention.

I have a tremendous amount of excitement about that prospect since it was these exact moments that changed me so much (for the better!)

There's few periods of our lives that we get the luxury of having "wet cement" as I like to call it. Experiences and the context of our lives will often leave their imprints that harden and stick with us. We can still be an ever questioning and analytical bunch, open to all possibilities, but we still carry that imprint clearly enough.

Wet cement is when we really can be formed and changed in deep and meaningful ways. Explore new facets of the possibilities in life and be open to receive new things in a profound way. The key to successfully navigating this is not being afraid to land somewhere, to take steps, to take the things we believe to be true and begin to take action and\or really apply them to our lives. The pitfall here being a fear or aversion to accepting anything is a decision to let that wet cement dry into something we may not intend.

I don't know if the analogy helps but it is about as clear as I could describe those transitional times in my life.
 

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Hmm I've vaguely heard something similar somewhere that enfp could have strong sense of likes/dislikes and right/wrong :) But now thinking about that, I don't have much of that feature and more often take things based on how much sense they make, without feeling whether they are subjectively wrong personally for me. It's either that my Fi has became very much less subjective judger with age and experience or it isn't necessarily ENFP thing at all? :)

@Radha don't worry. I do feel too that I'm not even trying to place myself politically or any other ways to any particular group but there's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't mean you don't have values or that they're distorted :)
So don't question if we might actually belong to the same type as Einstein and Benjamin Franklin? I think it's especially important for younger people to get correctly typed. It does affect how you understand yourself and also in relation to others. NOT that I'm saying Radha is an ENTP, but it's worth a check-sy. All types are created equal imo.
Tarmonk can you pm me on this please?
 

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So don't question if we might actually belong to the same type as Einstein and Benjamin Franklin? I think it's especially important for younger people to get correctly typed. It does affect how you understand yourself and also in relation to others. NOT that I'm saying Radha is an ENTP, but it's worth a check-sy. All types are created equal imo.
Tarmonk can you pm me on this please?
Will do. Though I'm not sure if I yet understood question correctly but lets find it out then :) But unfortunately the page says your inbox is full :)
 

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NTPs tend to be very much into politics especially theories, maybe more than Feelers even as they have less issue with potentially going against their feels, they have the potential for the most objective thought process
OP should tell us more about his, though I suspect it's more of a F+P issue
 

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I'm 27. It does feel like a transitional period. Especially with my extroversion. A year or two ago I got out of the introverted, depressed slump I had been in for many years and recently it has been about learning to control the raging extroversion that has been unleashed.
 

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I'm 27. It does feel like a transitional period. Especially with my extroversion. A year or two ago I got out of the introverted, depressed slump I had been in for many years and recently it has been about learning to control the raging extroversion that has been unleashed.
Talk about raging extroversion a bit.
 

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I'm trying to balance my impulses and my tendency to over-share my life with people I barely know. I feel a strong urge to leap somewhere every waking hour. It's hard to cope with the dreariness of everyday life but it's also really difficult to not burn out from said leaping into things. It has a lot to do with me becoming single recently. Being free from a relationship I knew for years was doomed is so liberating and intoxicating. I just want to flirt with every half-attractive girl at the office and I want to get back in the game so bad but know I need to stay sharp.
 

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I'm trying to balance my impulses and my tendency to over-share my life with people I barely know. I feel a strong urge to leap somewhere every waking hour. It's hard to cope with the dreariness of everyday life but it's also really difficult to not burn out from said leaping into things. It has a lot to do with me becoming single recently. Being free from a relationship I knew for years was doomed is so liberating and intoxicating. I just want to flirt with every half-attractive girl at the office and I want to get back in the game so bad but know I need to stay sharp.
Oh, okay. Got it. I think I knew 2 sentences in what was going on— reading the rest was like watching a prophecy come true. Yep, stay sharp, bud. Work out a lot... maybe you are. It will likely help the most. Try meditation too. I get you, though.
 

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One of the reasons I want to get back in the game is that I noticed I'm super rusty with people. I spent 8 years in a relationship with a person who didn't give me enough social feedback. I started chatting up an old crush of mine and almost blew it immediately by saying inappropriate things. The super weird thing was she turned out to be an ENFP too and I was like "how is she intimidated by what I'm saying, she hasn't heard anything yet". But yeah, 8 years with a timid ISFJ who just couldn't bring herself to speak her mind if I was being out of line and all my friends being edgy dudebros and here I am lol.
 
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