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1.) Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

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a) I'm having a kinda stressful time - about 3 years ago I became mentally burnt out due to overextending myself. Ever since then I've been struggling with brain fog, not finding any activities joyful, switching between overeating and dieting, being addicted to caffeine, being constantly low on energy and feeling like I'm occupying an empty shell, being a ghost of what I used to be.
b) I also had a mild trauma as a child that led to me feeling alone and unwanted, but I dealt with that in my late teenage years.

useful info:
Sex: yes, a lot. Btw female.
Age: 24.
Occupation: physicist.
Currently: I'm high on caffeine so I feel like I could take on the world.


2.) What kind of person are you and why?

I must confess, I'm not sure. I'm drawn to these personality typing systems so that I can (re)discover myself. I was just out of the influence of my trauma and could start working on myself when this burnt-out episode started, so I'm not sure what is the real me and what is the result of this stressful time. But I'll do my best to provide an overview.

a) I'm someone who lives most of her life in her head. I find it hard to stay grounded, so I used to practice meditation and mindfulness. I gave up, unfortunately, as I didn't really see any advancement. I usually process happenings, work on problems, try to find solutions.
b) I enjoy a good music that has nice melodies and radiates powerful atmosphere (symphonic and/or melodic power metal).
c) I pride myself on my achievements. Self-improvement and self-knowledge are of crucial importance to me, also competence and leaving a mark on the world.
d) I know I seem unemotional but inside I can have extreme emotional reactions. I contain them and I either let them out slowly or after a time of negligience they erupt. Those times I am extremely frustrated and irritable, as if I wasn't myself.
e) With strangers I tend to be cautious, though I am trusting by nature. I do not really talk about myself, I mostly keep my opinions, thoughts and background to myself until a certain level of acquaintance has been estabilished.
f) Those who've known me for ages and are close to me earn a ticket to my laid-back, not-so-serious, sometimes extremely nonsensical side.
g) I can seem agreeable but when I want something I never yield.
h) Hobbies... those could be a good lead, too. I love learning languages, programming. Nowadays I play video games, too, but I get bored easily.
i) I'm also drawn to spirituality. I was knighted as a Jedi by a Jedi Temple, though I'm afraid I wouldn't qualify as one anymore. I also believe there is a linked consciousness that serves as a source to all our consciousness and feeds from our experiences. I sometimes wonder about the afterlife.


3.) What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

WANT:
I want to be orderly. Assertive. Powering through any obstacles. High on energy. So that I can reach my goals and know that I'm a productive, successful member of society and my field. Being respected among my colleagues. I need recognition and being seen as competent, it's just important to me. Without those I feel lacking, unworthy.

DON'T WANT: I don't want to be someone who lives day-by-day, with no clear goals, no need for self-improvement, not thinking about the future. That's a shallow and undesirable life. I need to be constantly mentally stimulated, I enjoy challenges and hate stagnation.


4.) A. What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? B. If you could change one thing about your personality, what would it be? Why?

a)
First of all, everyone has different personalities so I don't think this question makes sense the way it is. Everyone is a unique mix of experiences, heritage and personality. What I think distinguishes me might be a completely ordinary and widespread trait and what I overlook might be considered unique by the majority. So I'd say that what distinguishes me from others is the experiences that shaped me into the person I am and that'll continue to mold me in the future.

b) Impulsiveness. I can get worked up easily, especially by stupidity. I might control myself and not let my anger show but I'll keep mentally returning to the situation, not believing how someone can overlook so fundamental things and be that ignorant. It'd be easier to remain cold-headed and take the opposition apart by surgical-precision arguments - which is hard to do when you are boiling.


5.) Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

Of course there are.
My inner processes are visible to me and me alone. Others might get a glimpse of my though-process but usually what they see is the image I am projecting coupled with their own biases. There are different "me"s living in my acquaintances' heads, all based on their perception of me.

As of how they would describe me - calm, reserved, intellectual. Polite. Even my SO describes me as indifferent, someone who finds it hard to show emotions.


6.) What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

Determining them:
through online tests. Seriously. I suspected one or two but wanted to dig deeper, hence the tests.
The values:
- curiosity
- love of learning
- tolerance (excluding ignorant, hypocrate, stuck-up people)
- creativity
- humor? is that a value?
As of how they can change... by outside influence, obviously. I always take in new information and work myself through it, mostly unconsciously. If I find that the new information is more convincing, I'll shift my values accordingly. Though what I've listed here isn't really prone to change.


7.) What makes you like the personalities of some people?

Being knowledgeable, mysterious, hard to crack. I'm innately drawn to these people. People who have a spark in their eyes while talking about topics that are close to them. The withheld excitement. The deep connection I can experience when they start to open up. It's a shame I haven't met more people like that.


8.) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?

Being bubbly, too random, exaggarating emotional responses. I'm sure you've met people who had really loud laughs, reacting with shouting "OHMYGOD"s and "YOUDONTSAY"s, who acted like they were the center of attention and did everything to be the loudest in the room. Those people irk me, I could go and slap them in the face. They seem... non-serious (what's the opposite?). I enjoy fun and downtime, but there are situations where it isn't fitting. They also seem to be forcing these responses and I can't understand how they don't see themselves as annoying. And the worse, those people who talked to you like twice in your life but when they see you somewhere they start to screech from the top of their heads and jump into your neck and start embracing you... that's goddamn irritating and hypocritical.
Also, did I say I hate ignorant people? Yeah, I'm sure I did.


9.) How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

What immediately came to mind was my graduation, but that was a high-risk high-stress event so I'm not sure that's the best to take apart here. I'd rather talk about the time I moved away from my parents at 18. From a little village at the eastern side of our country I moved to the capital. I was a bit anxious, yes, as I had to take care of myself, live in a region that was the opposite of what I was used to, but I was also full of hope and excitement as finally I became free, my own woman. My initial reaction tends to be anxiety, fear of the unknown, but without taking risks one will never move forward life, so I enjoy these challenges. I normally think about how I should procede, then start and adapt accordingly. I tend to overanalyze things and then freeze in one place as I cannot decide what'd be the best course of action, those times my SO pokes me with a stick (figuratively) and then all's back to normal.


10.) How do you judge new ideas?
Note: I'm approaching this question from the lenses of a scientist which may influence my though process.

Firstly I apply my understanding to them. If the idea really contradicts what I know about the problem I tend to dismiss it. If I find that there is at least a little sense in it - I cannot really point at what that depends on - then I'll put it into my mental collection and either expand on it or leave it there, eventually forgetting about it. This depends on how interesting or useful I found it.


11.) What tends to weigh on your decisions?

a) for great decisions
(like where to do my doctor thesis):
  • how much it'll influence my future, will it have a positive impact
  • how achievable it is
  • external, useful information

b) for smaller decisions (like what to eat, what to buy...)
  • researching their usefulness, advantages, price/value
  • sometimes what I am craving (as I said, I have overeating periods, currently going though one, too)


12.) A. What activities energize you most? B. What activities drain you most? Why?

a)
A good challenge, something to really get my mental gears working. The feeling I have after succesfully completing it is intoxicating. The feeling of achivement, proving yourself you are capable and competent... nothing beats that.

b) Ironically - not doing anything. Due to my low energy I spend days laying in bed and resting, but I feel even more awful (and drained) afterwards. I miss working towards my goals, I miss stimulaing conversations. The brain fog also seems to make me forget many things I used to know. And that scares me.
Parties are also draining. I don't enjoy the attention being focused on me - though ironically, I love when people focus on my achievements - and I don't enjoy excessive socialization, either.


13.) A. Describe what an enjoyable situation is for you. B. Describe what a stressful situation is for you.

a)
That's... tough. Normally I enjoy my job, but referring back to my burning out, currently I find it hard to focus. What I enjoy currently is... a tasty coffee. Spending time with my SO. But apart from that... everything feels just lacking. What I've described at the beginning. I am hollow and my days are grey.

b) Getting nearer and nearer to a deadline thanks to my brain fog and burning out. High-risk situations like a graduation, PhD application, so events that'll have a profound effect on the course of my life and scientific advancement. Having to speak in front of people - honestly, I have no idea why that bothers me. Possibly because the thinking-before-speaking thing that I describe in 17). When I hold a presentation I really put myself out there but I cannot account for all the questions, and trust me, sometimes people can ask completely nonsensical or unrelated stuff and you simply cannot tell them that... recieving a question like that and trying to work around it is hard when you are stressed. So imagining it... makes me stressed, which generates a loop.


14.) Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?
There are different types of authority, let's see a few:

Politics: I consider it a fancy show for power, and while every party has some illustrious claims and plans, they barely see anything through. Interestingly all of them come out richer after gaining a term. I despise politicians because they clearly illustrate how money and power can poison one's mind. Not that they can be held to account - it's in the nature of humanity to be greedy and we should be actively working on it.

Workplace and supervisors: if they've proven their competence and leadership abilities, moreover, they are not entirely corrupt, I'll follow them. If I find them to be corrupt but also crucial to reach my goals, I'll begrudgingly follow them. Just to illustrate - I have an extremely racist and national-socialist supervisor who is one of the best of the field in my country. Literally the person who solidified it and made possible for the next generation to study and have job positions. I keep the facade that we are on the same page simply because I need him to be able to advance, but as a person I despise him. Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably. But I want to advance and reach my goal, so I play along.

Parent-children relationship and other constructs of social dominance: I despise those. I don't want people to decide for others, sometimes failing and learning about mistakes is more benefitial for developement than being told no. And the argument that "I know better because I am your mother/father" is simply ridiculous.


15.) Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

Order makes me think of the army, the soliers standing at attention in perfect rows. Then they start marching, they arrive at a bridge which'll reach its resonance frequecy as a response to the periodic excitation, leading to a resonance disaster. Leading to chaos at its most pure form.
Order is necessary. But imposing too much order will inevitably bring forth chaos - and self destruction. One needs to know when to relax but also how not to succumb to temptations. Life is a balance between these two concepts.
Currently I'm in a state of internal chaos. Maybe imposing more order on myself would let me get out of it.


16.) How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They are triggered randomly. I normally have my projects at the back of my mind, processing, sometimes I get back to them, chew them a bit more, then put it back and focus on the task at hand. Then, out of the blue, I'll have a solution or a possible lead which I'll try out as soon as possible.


17.) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

a)
I definitely think before speaking. I feel anxious when I have to speak on the go, because I need time to gather my thoughts. When I speak before thinking I tend to say idiotic stuff which sounds great in my head but doesn't translate to the real world, and then I get embarassed because my audience will likely percieve me as incompetent. Those times I also speak incomprehensibely, seemingly throwing random words and ideas around, which again, make sense in my head. I even plan what I'll say in the microphone or when I'm speaking with my supervisor.

b) One-on-one communication is the best. In group discussions I tend to lay back, listen to others' ideas and then decide which idea would be best, but I lack the assertiveness to push that one idea through. That's why I prefer to work alone, actually, because I know what is best and don't have to reason with others why we should follow that course.


18.) What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

Recognition, mastery of self and my field.
The reputation of a succesful scientist. Position at a prestigious facility.
Could these stem from my childhood, from the feeling of worthlessness? Maybe. Or it's simply the way I am wired.


19.) What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

I fear I won't live up to my own standards and achieve my goals. I fear I'll die before I could achieve them or that I have a quasi-fatal accident that'll deprive me from my mind or body. These sometimes make me worry about my future, start to fill me with doubt, make me believe I don't have the strength to carry it out, paralyze me.


20.) What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why?

I don't want to say the type I'm considering to avoid bias.
The type that appeals to me (and I'm 100% sure I'm not) is the ENTJ. They are asserive, forceful, have clear goals and work towards them. My dream state.


BONUS: Click on this link: (I was too lazy to copy the link but it's Flickr explore). Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

Picture:
link
Assessment: What caught my attention first was the eerie atmosphere. Then I started thinking about what the story behind the picture would be. The tower seems to have a wind-vane on top though I cannot say for sure. The horses and the water well suggest a farm nearby. There seems to be a storm coming up which beautifully reflects the fading beams of the setting Sun. The photo must be manipulated because this green shade in the sky is unnatural - and also the reason why the picture emits this unsettling atmosphere. It's an artistic rendition, nonetheless.
 

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ENTJ > ESTJ > INTJ
After reading through your questionnaire, I'm most confident in you being ExTJ since it was a bit harder to see your perceiving preferences. I'm a bit tired, so forgive me.

Order is necessary. But imposing too much order will inevitably bring forth chaos - and self destruction. One needs to know when to relax but also how not to succumb to temptations. Life is a balance between these two concepts.
ExxJ
ahem You straight wrote out that you have a balanced view towards these two. Throughout the rest of your career, you tend to talk less about other people/yourself but rather about the things you do and your mental state, of which you must exert control to achieve.

This perception of you is reinforced by how you kill yourself/work towards out-groups reasons: achievement, recognition, mastery of self and field. Your questionnaire has me thinking, I wonder how Te-doms would express a need to be validated or work towards out-group's validated reasons. I guess this would be a good question to ask your colleagues. Anyway, being burned out actually makes it so much easier to type you. Spoilered the quoted portions as it was getting long.

 
1.) Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

possible effects:
a) I'm having a kinda stressful time - about 3 years ago I became mentally burnt out due to overextending myself. Ever since then I've been struggling with brain fog, not finding any activities joyful, switching between overeating and dieting, being addicted to caffeine, being constantly low on energy and feeling like I'm occupying an empty shell, being a ghost of what I used to be.
2.) What kind of person are you and why?

I must confess, I'm not sure. I'm drawn to these personality typing systems so that I can (re)discover myself. I was just out of the influence of my trauma and could start working on myself when this burnt-out episode started, so I'm not sure what is the real me and what is the result of this stressful time. But I'll do my best to provide an overview.

a) I'm someone who lives most of her life in her head. I find it hard to stay grounded, so I used to practice meditation and mindfulness. I gave up, unfortunately, as I didn't really see any advancement. I usually process happenings, work on problems, try to find solutions.
b) I enjoy a good music that has nice melodies and radiates powerful atmosphere (symphonic and/or melodic power metal).
c) I pride myself on my achievements. Self-improvement and self-knowledge are of crucial importance to me, also competence and leaving a mark on the world.
d) I know I seem unemotional but inside I can have extreme emotional reactions. I contain them and I either let them out slowly or after a time of negligience they erupt. Those times I am extremely frustrated and irritable, as if I wasn't myself.

g) I can seem agreeable but when I want something I never yield.
h) Hobbies... those could be a good lead, too. I love learning languages, programming. Nowadays I play video games, too, but I get bored easily.
i) I'm also drawn to spirituality. I was knighted as a Jedi by a Jedi Temple, though I'm afraid I wouldn't qualify as one anymore. I also believe there is a linked consciousness that serves as a source to all our consciousness and feeds from our experiences. I sometimes wonder about the afterlife.
12.) A. What activities energize you most? B. What activities drain you most? Why?

a)
A good challenge, something to really get my mental gears working. The feeling I have after succesfully completing it is intoxicating. The feeling of achivement, proving yourself you are capable and competent... nothing beats that.

b) Ironically - not doing anything. Due to my low energy I spend days laying in bed and resting, but I feel even more awful (and drained) afterwards. I miss working towards my goals, I miss stimulaing conversations. The brain fog also seems to make me forget many things I used to know. And that scares me.
Parties are also draining. I don't enjoy the attention being focused on me - though ironically, I love when people focus on my achievements - and I don't enjoy excessive socialization, either.
18.) What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

Recognition, mastery of self and my field.
The reputation of a succesful scientist. Position at a prestigious facility.
Could these stem from my childhood, from the feeling of worthlessness? Maybe. Or it's simply the way I am wired.
I feel as if Ni-Se fits you much better. You seem less prone to be gathering abstract ideas and more wanting to organize those ideas, hence why you sit back in a group discussion— preferring to organize their thoughts. (someone is going to say that organizing is a judgment- but functions should be taken together anyway, and Ni is tied with Fe/Te)

Dario Nardi says that with people who prefer Ni, their brainwaves light up all at once at some point during thinking. This might be the reason how you treat those gut feelings?

In #10 your judgment of ideas doesn't seem very Ne. Other types may be more willing to entertain ideas as they just want to collect more of them. #9 reveals a bit about your impulsiveness, and that you've more or less come to terms with it. Having your plans blindsided seems not to be the core of your life, which is why I don't think you're an INTJ.

I could very well be misreading what exactly you're organizing. It's possible a ESTJ is a physicist and that you have Si-Ne, but that would mean you are referring to ideas as "facts I don't know" and that your fear of the unknown really refers to some abstract idea you have no idea how to comprehend. I find this unlikely for a person who chose to be a physicist.

 
Occupation: physicist.

9.) How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

What immediately came to mind was my graduation, but that was a high-risk high-stress event so I'm not sure that's the best to take apart here. I'd rather talk about the time I moved away from my parents at 18. From a little village at the eastern side of our country I moved to the capital. I was a bit anxious, yes, as I had to take care of myself, live in a region that was the opposite of what I was used to, but I was also full of hope and excitement as finally I became free, my own woman. My initial reaction tends to be anxiety, fear of the unknown, but without taking risks one will never move forward life, so I enjoy these challenges. I normally think about how I should procede, then start and adapt accordingly. I tend to overanalyze things and then freeze in one place as I cannot decide what'd be the best course of action, those times my SO pokes me with a stick (figuratively) and then all's back to normal.

10.) How do you judge new ideas?
Note: I'm approaching this question from the lenses of a scientist which may influence my though process.

Firstly I apply my understanding to them. If the idea really contradicts what I know about the problem I tend to dismiss it. If I find that there is at least a little sense in it - I cannot really point at what that depends on - then I'll put it into my mental collection and either expand on it or leave it there, eventually forgetting about it. This depends on how interesting or useful I found it.

16.) How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They are triggered randomly. I normally have my projects at the back of my mind, processing, sometimes I get back to them, chew them a bit more, then put it back and focus on the task at hand. Then, out of the blue, I'll have a solution or a possible lead which I'll try out as soon as possible.

17.) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

a)
I definitely think before speaking. I feel anxious when I have to speak on the go, because I need time to gather my thoughts. When I speak before thinking I tend to say idiotic stuff which sounds great in my head but doesn't translate to the real world, and then I get embarassed because my audience will likely percieve me as incompetent. Those times I also speak incomprehensibely, seemingly throwing random words and ideas around, which again, make sense in my head. I even plan what I'll say in the microphone or when I'm speaking with my supervisor.

b) One-on-one communication is the best. In group discussions I tend to lay back, listen to others' ideas and then decide which idea would be best, but I lack the assertiveness to push that one idea through. That's why I prefer to work alone, actually, because I know what is best and don't have to reason with others why we should follow that course.
 

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I was thinking NTJ but didn't read all of it. I don't know much about STJs as the above poster mentioned so I can't comment on that one. But seem more NTJ to me anyway.
 

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I'm not sure how to quote properly so I might screw it up. Anyway.

My idea was that I'm an INTJ yet I do not want to outline every step that led to this conclusion. The Se-grip was relatable - overindulging unhealthy sensory pleasures, looking for new/fun experiencing but remaining dissatisfied, impulsive cleaning/organizing. I couldn't relate to the loop and things were still a bit off, but it was kinda descriptive.

I never considered myself an extrovert, though now that I think about it I do tend to seek out certain social events, maybe my trauma left a mark on me. I checked out the ENTJ function stack and I must say, it fits even better. During my childhood I could have been in a Fi-grip: feeling unappreciated, hypersensitive, constantly regretting being harsh, thinking about myself as a victim, walloving in self-pity. During those years I constantly scored as a Fi-dom even though other aspects of those types didn't fit at all, that's why I was left confused. Now the Se-loop is quite descriptive of my current state. And the overall description seems fitting, too.

Your questionnaire has me thinking, I wonder how Te-doms would express a need to be validated or work towards out-group's validated reasons. I guess this would be a good question to ask your colleagues.
I'll keep that in mind and try to ask them next time.

Anyway, being burned out actually makes it so much easier to type you.
Hah, at least it served one reason...

Dario Nardi says that with people who prefer Ni, their brainwaves light up all at once at some point during thinking. This might be the reason how you treat those gut feelings?
I haven't heard of him, checked him out and seems to have some informative videos. Thanks for the indirect recommendation. As for your idea - it does feel like a lightbulb is switching in in my head, so this explanation could be on point.

It's possible a ESTJ is a physicist and that you have Si-Ne, but that would mean you are referring to ideas as "facts I don't know" and that your fear of the unknown really refers to some abstract idea you have no idea how to comprehend.
I did research how auxilary Si and tertiary Ne should operate and that didn't really resonate. I'm gonna stick to the Ni-Se axis.

Thank you for taking the time and writing a detailed assessment.

I was thinking NTJ but didn't read all of it. I don't know much about STJs as the above poster mentioned so I can't comment on that one. But seem more NTJ to me anyway.
Understandable, I do tend to talk a lot. I'm going to stick with ENTJ as I find it descriptive of me. Thank you for your insight.
 

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ENTJ. The replies above have good explanations; I'll add that your decision making in question 11 is more Te supported by Ni rather than the other way around. You also seem more adaptable and have a more balanced view of order and chaos, which in general IxxJs struggle with.

I saw that you wanted to know your MBTI for self-improvement so I'll also touch on it. I would suggest focusing more on the development of Se and Fi because I think that will be where most of your weaknesses lie. I can't really speak on how to specifically develop these because I also am still developing Fi and Se, but maybe hanging around with people with high Fi and/or Se would help.

I'd love to help you out in Socionics but unfortunately I'm not too well-versed in that system. I'll pop over and take a look at your Enneagram questionnaire soon. :)
 

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Thank you! The consensus is ENTJ then. I need to chew it a bit more as I'm not exactly radiating that "extraverted energy", but that could be explained with so many things. You all brought up some good points.

I'll pop over and take a look at your Enneagram questionnaire soon. :)
I'd be really grateful for that!
 

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Thank you! The consensus is ENTJ then. I need to chew it a bit more as I'm not exactly radiating that "extraverted energy", but that could be explained with so many things. You all brought up some good points.



I'd be really grateful for that!
I agree with ENTJ. Just remember that the "E" and "I" don't mean "extroverted" and "introverted" in the classical sense. They are talking about where your attention is oriented: the inner or outer world. So ENTJ doesn't have to be super assertive. Assertiveness is more linked to enneagram, since ENTJs are often enneagram 8 or 3 they tend to be stereotyped as assertive when it is actually their enneagram and not their functions. With out looking at your enneagram post my guess is yours is more along the lines of a 5 which will be much more reserved and less assertive, but still use the ENTJ functions.
 

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ESTJ.
 

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I've seen you replying in another thread how we have the same tritype and are true neutrals. I'll answer here that I was considering ESTJ as well (and I've read that the 136 tritype and its variations seem to be heavily correlated with SJs which is food for thought) but cannot see much Si-Ne in myself. How would you say that shows? How do you personally use it - if you don't mind explaining.
 

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I've seen you replying in another thread how we have the same tritype and are true neutrals. I'll answer here that I was considering ESTJ as well (and I've read that the 136 tritype and its variations seem to be heavily correlated with SJs which is food for thought) but cannot see much Si-Ne in myself. How would you say that shows? How do you personally use it - if you don't mind explaining.
How does Si-Ne function? Ok, I'll show you some extracts, as well as it being compared to Ni-Se.

 
The Perceiving Axes Se/Ni (a) vs. Ne/Si (b)

In general, the nature of the perceiving axes can be described this way:

(A) asks ‘what is the bottom-line of the raw data?’

(B) asks ‘what is the Truth behind the perspectives?’

These two attitudes can be summed up as ‘conjecturing’ and ‘examining’ respectively.

The one axis (A) seeks to discover, envision or predict the potential course plotted by their various raw experiences of things; I am summoning here is that of a scatterplot and line of best fit, though one could also summon the image of a researcher recording their observations and then forming overarching conclusions abstracted from that data. On the one side, a good example would be Karl Marx, who spent hours upon hours researching and observing social and economic conditions in society, from which data he developed his comprehensive theories of capital and dialectical materialism. On the other side, a good example is Dale Carnegie, who, as CelebrityTypes pointed out in one of their function axes articles, is one of many these types who concretize their wealth of experiences into practical wisdom, such as ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’.

The other axis (B) seeks to discover, cognate, or comprehend the true nature of things by compositing the uniting elements between various creative perspectives on things; the image I like to use here is of a diagram showing multiple perspectives of a 3-D object in 2-D space, where each perspective conceals something in order to reveal something else. A good example of this mentality can be found in the theories of Michel Foucault, who himself describes society as a series of power structure grids you can lay on top of the truth in order to reveal some things but conceal others, and our goal essentially should be to experiment with various power grids to discover the true limits or bounds of how human society can successfully be structured. Another example could be Martin Heidegger’s discussion of Being or existence, and how many different perspectives are required to observe it and get a full picture, because of our extremely subjective position in relation to the nature of our own existence, not to mention existence within the ever shifting realm of time.

Overall, (A) is much more trusting of what we could call empirical or collected data, particularly data from direct experience, which is why, as CelebrityTypes was the first to point out, it tends to feel much more “intense and singular” of vision, because it is perfectly happy with direct observation and direct conjecture from the collected data. As CelebrityTypes says, “The person will stress one point of view, which is indeed frequently the viewpoint that generates the greatest yield here and now. The singularity of observation involved will frequently lend a manifest and immediate quality to the (A) type’s observations, which in turn tends to make them convincing.” This is because (A) is naturally hooked into and derived from a direct and photographic view of the world.

Meanwhile, the (B) axis is not so trusting of direct experience, which is hardly a mystery, because their perception of reality is introverted, meaning they aren’t interested in direct and photographic reality, but in the ideal versions of experiences abstracted from reality (e.g. Socrates’ search for the overarching ‘idea’ of everyday things like dogs, beds, piety, etc., as opposed to individual instances of these things). This is why, as CelebrityTypes also points out, “The person will also be more careful and meticulous because there is an unconscious striving to contribute one’s observations to building a system which is valid not just in the here and now, but which is perceived to be true in general: To generate the type of knowledge that could conceivably end up in a future textbook on the subject.” The axis makes use of (B)’s multifaceted nature to accomplish this.
Si-Ne axis (SJ): You pay attention to carefully comparing and sorting sensory details in new situations because you unconsciously fear that you are not adequately prepared for all the things that could possibly go awry in the future. Due to this fear, you start to close yourself off to new experiences, failing to realize that the best and most interesting things in life come when you are open to new ideas because then you will not only see the negative possibilities. There are a variety of ways to react to this unconscious tension between these two functions: You could become too dependent on ritual or routine because they provide emotional comfort in the face of destabilizing outside forces. You could avoid or resist new changes or experiences because then you do not have to confront negative feelings or intuitions. You could become overcautious, always assuming the worst and over-preparing for things instead of improvising or exercising your adaptability skills. You could seek out safe avenues for exploring your creative talents or find relatively predictable methods to grow and improve yourself.
Ni-Se axis (NJ): You pay attention to constructing a personally meaningful vision of the world in order to live your life with purpose, and you seek spiritual fulfillment because you unconsciously fear that there really is nothing more to you beyond mere bodily existence and repetitive satisfaction of physical needs. Due to this fear, you fail to appreciate the true wonder and excitement of being alive in the moment, not realizing that your excessive need to interpret the meaning of everything is actually what makes you feel detached or unable to let go of your self-image or mental constructions to connect fluidly with the world as it really is. There are a variety of ways to react to this unconscious tension between these two functions: You could suffer from chronic confusion, never really feeling confident or sure of yourself in terms of what you want to do with your life. You could over-interpret the meaning of things to the point of seeing false connections and relying on faulty intuitive assumptions. You could become rigid and inflexible in your ideals, goals, or expectations for the future, wanting too much to control how things evolve or achieve mastery over the external environment due to your unconscious distrust of it. You could learn how to appreciate the intrinsic value of things as they really are at present instead of only being able to invest in some imaginary concept of what they “could” be in the future.
 
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