How do you even function without the details? I've never quite understood how that works. If I am to make an informed decision, I obviously need all the details. For me to come to any conclusion, it would be reckless of me to do so without having all the details. So how does Ni work without a lot of attention to sensory/immediate details? I may never understand. D: It's like you just draw conclusions from thin air, or because something feels right...That doesn't seem like a very reliable method! Perhaps intuitives are simply able to look at things from differing perspectives and draw original conclusions outside of the obvious? So do you often ignore the obvious?
I don't need all of the details, just enough to get the pattern of what I'm looking at. You can tell me just the bullet points, and I'll go "Oh, so it works like X" and usually that'll be rather close to correct once the details are revealed. The problem with this is Ni-doms are sometimes prone to looking for confirmation bias to support their patterns rather than forcing themselves to address the details that defy what they've assumed. This is also part of learning to incorporate Se: learning to understand that you aren't always going to be correct in your assumptions (preposterous as that may seem to us...even right now as I write this, part of me is balking at the very idea).
Perhaps intuitives are simply able to look at things from differing perspectives and draw original conclusions outside of the obvious?
That's a good way of considering Ni right there. Ni is very much about looking at perspectives of things. Just as you might turn an object in your hands to look at all the sides, Ni turns ideas in our heads to see the different sides.
I don't so much as ignore the obvious as classify it was less important than other potential meanings. The obvious is usually the last part I consider, because I make the assumption that most people do not intend the obvious. Usually this is true. Furthermore, it aids me in finding a shortcut in doing something. Maybe I don't have to do anything in sequence. Maybe if I look at what this obvious item means and link it together with some other concept that's similar, I can skip a bunch of steps ahead and save myself a lot of work.
Not only that but I find details and facts fascinating. If I am interested in a topic, I want to know every little fact and detail. If I listen to a song or look at a painting, I try to notice everything there is to notice.
I can be that way as well. I've finally accepted that when something interests me, I get seriously obsessive about it and overdose on experiencing it (this was something I've always been a bit ashamed of). My reasoning is not only do I physically enjoy what I'm experiencing and absorbing the actual knowledge, but I've found a wellspring of meaning in whatever it is. So, in say, listening to that album over and over and over, I'm trying to assimilate as much meaning as I can possibly gather from this experience. It's almost a synthesis of the actual experience as it's happening and the meaning I'm deriving from it at the same time. I'm connecting this meaning to my internal perception of the world, myself, and my place in it.
How can you not trust what is in front of you when it is RIGHT THERE??
Lol, well it's just not as important as what isn't there. Perhaps a very good thing for Se-doms (and Ni-doms in the reverse) to learn would be to learn to see what isn't there at the same time they see what is there. Often times what isn't said is even more important than what is said. There are lots of gaps in between things we see, and that's where some really interesting things lie.
Do you think that Se doms are more likely to pick up new skills with ease, but Ni (or Ne?) doms are able to quickly grasp a concept? I too can quickly grasp a concept, but that is because I will do extensive research in search of every little detail to help me understand it better.
Yes, I think that's very likely true more often than not. I'm good and picking up what you're generally supposed to do with a skill, but the execution is what will cause me trouble for some time until I've really practiced it enough. So, I can do something almost right if it's my first time doing it, but getting the proper technique takes me a lot longer. I have to find my own way of physically doing whatever it is, rather than just doing what someone tells me to do (for some mysterious reason, that just never works...it's like my brain cannot follow those directions to the letter if I already think I know what to do). And once I have the actual execution down (which takes me much longer than it might take an Se-dom), I take that idea and apply it to other things to make learning faster.
I don't need to know all the details for how to do something because I've already noticed a pattern, made an assumption, and am now either working off of that assumption or waiting impatiently for further details to confirm my understanding.
I must admit that if I'm not watching myself, I fall into the same traps your brother does when teaching someone something. For that reason, I preface almost any teaching session with: "If you are confused, lost, or need more detail at any point, just stop me and ask for clarification. I don't always know when I'm being too vague." Because I really do want
people to ask me if they get lost. I have no problem retracing my steps and going into further detail, solely because I know I will forget to do so if I'm not careful.
It's really, really hard for me to put every single detail into consideration in this context, because I'm fighting my natural impulse to skip over stuff and say, "Oh, that's easy enough to see right there. They don't necessarily need to know that part." When, in fact, there are quite a few people who do.
Edit: On that note, I seem to have written you another book, good lord. But I am rather enjoying this interplay we're discussing. It's like we need to come to the same place in order to achieve balance in ourselves, but we're coming from opposite directions. I find that fascinating and strangely wonderful.