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Ok, hear me out. I know Ni and Si are super different but honestly, I feel like I identify strongly with both types. I took a Sensing vs Intuition test and I got something like 55% N and 45% S.

I am definitely a Fe user and introverted, which makes sense as Fe is the second in the stack for both types. And I’m a Ti user as well. However, I feel like I use both Ni and Si a lot:

Ni- I just “know” how things are gonna play out in a scenario, I notice patterns, pick up easily on environmental cues, etc.- and it comes to me naturally. I love abstract theories and philosoph. When I found out about Ni, I was like, ‘aha! So that’s why I’m like this!” But.... I’m not future oriented at all. I have no goals, no ambitions, no plans. And yeah... I can’t easily cut people out of my life.

Si: I have a great memory for details and I remember my most significant memories extremely vividly, down to what colour shoes people were wearing and what everyone ate. When I work/ study, I like to go from one thing to the next- I can’t learn if the information is all over the place. But.... I’m not realistic. I don’t live in the moment, and I can’t. I’m not very Sensor-like at all, at first glance.

I’ve been mistyped as both INFP and ISFP (but I don’t use Fi). I don’t live in the past, present, or future, I can‘t focus on any of them. I’ve alway felt misunderstood and out of place, and I have gut feelings (like an INFJ might) but also I like predictable routines and knowing what’s gonna happen (ISFJ).

I’ve thought of all the other types but I’m pretty sure I’m not Extroverted, Thinking or a Perceiver (and I’ve thought about it hard!)

If it helps, my Enneagram is 962, core 9w1, and my temperament is Melancholic-Phlegmatic.

Could anyone help me out with my type? I’d be really grateful and I’m happy to clear things up/ give you anymore information you need.
 

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That's a bit too generic I guess; I can't say much from that. Seems that would apply to most everyone. Maybe you can get more detailed on that? Examples of inconsiderate, disrespectful or rude people? That would help. Someone for example mentioned how they really dislike outbursts of emotion; dislike when people get all emotional, indicating an inferior Fe.
 

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That's a bit too generic I guess; I can't say much from that. Seems that would apply to most everyone. Maybe you can get more detailed on that? Examples of inconsiderate, disrespectful or rude people? That would help. Someone for example mentioned how they really dislike outbursts of emotion; dislike when people get all emotional, indicating an inferior Fe.
Sorry! By disrespectful I mean examples like people who bully others/ are unkind, and refuse to see others’ perspectives.

Another of my big pet peeves is things getting disrupted, especially when i planned them out carefully so nothing that i could foresee going wrong would go wrong
 

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Well, you like structure and order, which is Si, and dislike when plans go wrong, which sounds like inferior Ne in that you dislike having to consider all the options immediately. As a contrast, an ENTP is someone who uses dominant Ne, someone who is the CEO of a business and has to change plans all the time and deal with the changing tides constantly; dominant Ne likes having all the options at their fingertips and chooses the right one dynamically. You -dislike- that, and seek out situations which are more planned and deliberate so you can avoid having to go off plan which forces you to use Ne.

On that, along with your description of sensory experience, I'm leaning towards ISFJ for you.

I notice patterns, pick up easily on environmental cues, etc.- and it comes to me naturally. I love abstract theories and philosoph. When I found out about Ni, I was like, ‘aha! So that’s why I’m like this!”
Humans in general are amazing at noticing patterns; it's not really an Ni thing. Living in the future is very Ni which you said you don't really do. So yeah, anyway, ISFJ might help you focus things down. Si being your dominant function should stand out for you in terms of what you do to facilitate your plans. What are you planning? How do you plan it? Do you draw it out? Do you do drafting, or architecture, or construction? Or maybe plan events and parties to facilitate your desire to observe emotion from people with Fe?

I think you're close to figuring yourself out at least.
 

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Hm, what I usually plan is how to avoid conflict, and how to avoid trouble of any kind- especially when socialising. If I have to meet someone I plan how to organise my daily routine all around it as it’s getting disrupted. I plan creative projects extensively before I start them (as I do quite a lot) and always have a framework of them. I like knowing what I’m getting into and what to expect of it. Even on travel, I carry every single tiny thing i might need.

I agree that I’m probably an ISFJ- when I got INFJ on a cognitive function test I was doubtful because there are loads of key aspects of Ni I don’t use. I had high Si as well, and I relate more to using Si.

The only doubt I have is I’ve always been what you might call a “stereotypical intuitive”- I‘m generalising here, but living in the present is a thing I cannot do. I don’t go to the future or think about it, I am just never really in the moment or even thinking about the situatio (absent-minded?). Is it something that Sensors have too, the overthinking of abstract things?

Thank you so much for all the help!
 

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Hm, what I usually plan is how to avoid conflict, and how to avoid trouble of any kind- especially when socialising. If I have to meet someone I plan how to organise my daily routine all around it as it’s getting disrupted. I plan creative projects extensively before I start them (as I do quite a lot) and always have a framework of them. I like knowing what I’m getting into and what to expect of it. Even on travel, I carry every single tiny thing i might need.

I agree that I’m probably an ISFJ- when I got INFJ on a cognitive function test I was doubtful because there are loads of key aspects of Ni I don’t use. I had high Si as well, and I relate more to using Si.

The only doubt I have is I’ve always been what you might call a “stereotypical intuitive”- I‘m generalising here, but living in the present is a thing I cannot do. I don’t go to the future or think about it, I am just never really in the moment or even thinking about the situatio (absent-minded?). Is it something that Sensors have too, the overthinking of abstract things?

Thank you so much for all the help!
If you're not future oriented or living in the moment, what is typically occupying your mind? What kind of abstract things do you overthink?

Also what is your current situation in life?
 

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If you're not future oriented or living in the moment, what is typically occupying your mind? What kind of abstract things do you overthink?

Also what is your current situation in life?
What occupies my mind is usually completely unrealistic things that would never happen, in the future or now- my fantasy worlds. Or, I think of the past and how it could’ve been so different if I did things differently.

My current situation- actually, it might explain the confusion. The past five years haven’t been all that easy- I’m stable financially and have what I need but I went through a ton of things including a tough breakup, and periods of immense sadness. I’m not sure if it’s changed me, or changed my outlook on myself and life. I isolated myself a lot from my close friends recently and I’m not sure why. Among them I’m usually the one who helps them, and I like to do so. But I just can’t right now.

This my Intuitive-Sensor issue- I am not future oriented, or fixated on future outcomes. I prefer to have full details of what’s going to happen and I don’t like the unknown. But I don’t feel “present” or “realistic“ enough to be a Sensor, although I have a vivid memory and attention to detail. I am full of abstract notions and ideas, yet fixated on my environment/ details around me.

I’m sorry for this being so long, but hope it helps!
 

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What occupies my mind is usually completely unrealistic things that would never happen, in the future or now- my fantasy worlds. Or, I think of the past and how it could’ve been so different if I did things differently.

My current situation- actually, it might explain the confusion. The past five years haven’t been all that easy- I’m stable financially and have what I need but I went through a ton of things including a tough breakup, and periods of immense sadness. I’m not sure if it’s changed me, or changed my outlook on myself and life. I isolated myself a lot from my close friends recently and I’m not sure why. Among them I’m usually the one who helps them, and I like to do so. But I just can’t right now.

This my Intuitive-Sensor issue- I am not future oriented, or fixated on future outcomes. I prefer to have full details of what’s going to happen and I don’t like the unknown. But I don’t feel “present” or “realistic“ enough to be a Sensor, although I have a vivid memory and attention to detail. I am full of abstract notions and ideas, yet fixated on my environment/ details around me.

I’m sorry for this being so long, but hope it helps!
Long is good, more information to go on.

I still need more info but I'm leaning INFJ. I can't see an ISFJ spending as much time fantasizing as you seem to. Your situation definitely makes it more difficult to have a solid idea. I think a stressed INFJ could place less emphasis on future plans and be more likely stay in their comfort zone.

How do you generally feel about breaking rules?


I like this site, maybe read these and see how you feel.
 

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Long is good, more information to go on.

I still need more info but I'm leaning INFJ. I can't see an ISFJ spending as much time fantasizing as you seem to. Your situation definitely makes it more difficult to have a solid idea. I think a stressed INFJ could place less emphasis on future plans and be more likely stay in their comfort zone.

How do you generally feel about breaking rules?


I like this site, maybe read these and see how you feel.
Hey! Thanks for your reply

I don’t like breaking rules at all- even for small things, because I hate getting in trouble with others or fighting with them. If the rules are unfair, I won‘t speak out against them unless it hurts someone I love or it’s really extreme.

But yeah, my situation has made me feel pretty hopeless about the future sometimes so I’m taking it one day at a time even if I’m not in the moment. Before it hit me I never really had detailed plans for the future, I would just fantasise about what I knew would never happen- I guess a kind of escapism. I still “escape” now but not as much, in fact I find it harder to detach from reality.

From the websites I definitely relate more to INFJ- I really agree when it says my inner world feels like it fluctuates, which it does. My only issue with Ni is having detailed future plans (which I have never really had), and not liking the unknown.

Is it possible I’m some kind of borderline IxFJ or another type altogether??
 

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Hey! Thanks for your reply

I don’t like breaking rules at all- even for small things, because I hate getting in trouble with others or fighting with them. If the rules are unfair, I won‘t speak out against them unless it hurts someone I love or it’s really extreme.

But yeah, my situation has made me feel pretty hopeless about the future sometimes so I’m taking it one day at a time even if I’m not in the moment. Before it hit me I never really had detailed plans for the future, I would just fantasise about what I knew would never happen- I guess a kind of escapism. I still “escape” now but not as much, in fact I find it harder to detach from reality.

From the websites I definitely relate more to INFJ- I really agree when it says my inner world feels like it fluctuates, which it does. My only issue with Ni is having detailed future plans (which I have never really had), and not liking the unknown.

Is it possible I’m some kind of borderline IxFJ or another type altogether??
No problem! Being an INFJ with an ISFJ mother I'm pretty aware of the differences in these types but I'm still not sure for you... I'm also seeing pretty even Ni and Si.

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No problem! Being an INFJ with an ISFJ mother I'm pretty aware of the differences in these types but I'm still not sure for you... I'm also seeing pretty even Ni and Si.

Ultimate Questionnaire

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Hi! I will fill it out and once I have, I’ll post it here

Thank you so much for all your help, I really appreciate it
 

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Your concerns and responses sound like mine. I used to think I was an ISTJ because I was very duty oriented and cared a lot about routine. I also had no problems getting into a leadership role and bossing people around. I think I may have taken those traits from my parents who are both ISTJ, ha ha. I think the only thing I can ask you really to be sure is if you like being goofy? Do you find yourself being uncharacteristically silly? One moment serious and another funny?

ISFJs can't be goofy like that. They're too concerned with looking and being proper. They can be silly or funny, but INFJs being silly looks immature and childish lol. The goofiness would come from SE. If you see yourself gravitate to SE users often, that's probably because you're INFJ.

Watch this: Ok Taecyeon 2PM's biggest crackhead - YouTube An example of how an INFJ can throw composure out the window.

I've always been into the darkness and light, the fire and ice and opposites. The extremes. Like serious and goofy. I think INFJs tend to be interested in them too. If they want to be a good person, they're gonna try to be the BEST good person. And if they're gonna protect someone or just go head to head with an opponent, they'll become a monster. Could be just me though.

I think you're INFJ.
 

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Your concerns and responses sound like mine. I used to think I was an ISTJ because I was very duty oriented and cared a lot about routine. I also had no problems getting into a leadership role and bossing people around. I think I may have taken those traits from my parents who are both ISTJ, ha ha. I think the only thing I can ask you really to be sure is if you like being goofy? Do you find yourself being uncharacteristically silly? One moment serious and another funny?

ISFJs can't be goofy like that. They're too concerned with looking and being proper. They can be silly or funny, but INFJs being silly looks immature and childish lol. The goofiness would come from SE. If you see yourself gravitate to SE users often, that's probably because you're INFJ.

Watch this: Ok Taecyeon 2PM's biggest crackhead - YouTube An example of how an INFJ can throw composure out the window.

I've always been into the darkness and light, the fire and ice and opposites. The extremes. Like serious and goofy. I think INFJs tend to be interested in them too. If they want to be a good person, they're gonna try to be the BEST good person. And if they're gonna protect someone or just go head to head with an opponent, they'll become a monster. Could be just me though.

I think you're INFJ.
Hey! I’m starting to think I’m an INFJ as well, because I really relate to the whole serious-silly thing!! I have an ENTP dad and an ISTJ mom, they’re complete opposites but I’ve always felt I’m more like my mom- except, she is extremely proper, where I do have my goofy moments.

Maybe I confused Si with the fact that I have an extremely vivid memory and remember random details from years ago and am very nostalgic. I also dislike trying new experience, but maybe that’s inferior Se. I’m actually never very ‘present’ in the moment and I‘m anything but “down-to-earth“ and I’m not really Si-like at ALL.

I guess to people who don’t know me well enough I‘m a “stereotypical“ ISFJ!

Also maybe we have similar concerns in our types because I’m an Enneagram 9w1 926- I noticed you’re a 2w1, and I identify strongly with the 2 type as well. I’ve seen type 2 is usually more strongly associated with ISFJ than INFJ, so maybe that’s why?

Thank you so much!
 

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Hey! I’m starting to think I’m an INFJ as well, because I really relate to the whole serious-silly thing!! I have an ENTP dad and an ISTJ mom, they’re complete opposites but I’ve always felt I’m more like my mom- except, she is extremely proper, where I do have my goofy moments.

Maybe I confused Si with the fact that I have an extremely vivid memory and remember random details from years ago and am very nostalgic. I also dislike trying new experience, but maybe that’s inferior Se. I’m actually never very ‘present’ in the moment and I‘m anything but “down-to-earth“ and I’m not really Si-like at ALL.

I guess to people who don’t know me well enough I‘m a “stereotypical“ ISFJ!

Also maybe we have similar concerns in our types because I’m an Enneagram 9w1 926- I noticed you’re a 2w1, and I identify strongly with the 2 type as well. I’ve seen type 2 is usually more strongly associated with ISFJ than INFJ, so maybe that’s why?

Thank you so much!
Aren't type 9's the Peacekeepers? Being a type 2 the Giver, peace goes hand in hand with giving. The whole idea behind "giving" for me would be to ultimately provide peace and relief. So yeah, I think you're right. We would have the same concerns. With people I have a hard time dealing with, I have to watch how I speak with them to keep the peace. I see a million ways what I say can lead to an uncomfortable conversation so I speak "accordingly". I too avoid conflict, like this specifically. That being said, rude and inconsiderate people aren't my favorite kind of people either.

Off topic, but what exactly is the main goal in your words as a type 9?
 

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Aren't type 9's the Peacekeepers? Being a type 2 the Giver, peace goes hand in hand with giving. The whole idea behind "giving" for me would be to ultimately provide peace and relief. So yeah, I think you're right. We would have the same concerns. With people I have a hard time dealing with, I have to watch how I speak with them to keep the peace. I see a million ways what I say can lead to an uncomfortable conversation so I speak "accordingly". I too avoid conflict, like this specifically. That being said, rude and inconsiderate people aren't my favorite kind of people either.

Off topic, but what exactly is the main goal in your words as a type 9?
Yep, I guess we would have Enneagram similarities.

My main goal is to be someone people can trust and come to at their own need/ convenience. To be the person who makes things easier for others, never angers them, and I always see how scenarios could become uncomfortable (similar to you!!)- so I change myself and my behaviour to divert it. I try to calm arguments but if it gets really heated I will leave so I don’t accidentally add fuel to the fire.

My goal is to never be a bother to anyone and to be someone they can rely on- but only if they want me around. To never make anyone angry or upset and to be a good friend. To support others but only how they want me to support them, and to be nice to others.
 

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There is a big difference between an INFJ and an ISFJ, namely: ISFJ wants a stability that after it achieves => that's it. They keep that and it doesn't change anything.
INFJ doesn't really want stability. After achieving it, it looks for something else. Because it is a convinced idealist and believes that everything can always be improved.

When it comes to communication: When I talk to an ISFJ friend: it is interested. But it doesn't contribute at all when it comes to ideas. It doesn't develop them very much. Our conversations are rather wide than deep.
Instead, when I talk to an INFJ, I have to put on my seat belt because it will develop my ideas (if it feels in the mood of talking) that I will not be able to cope with.

ISFJ replies as messy as me. We're both using Ne and we change 5 topics of discussion in 2 minutes and we both feel as if we were fish swimming in the same aquarium.
INFJ replies with more clarity and punctual, specific. Answers in more depth. It feels like a complementarity. We are fish that swim in different aquariums but communicate through glass.
 
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