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INFJs and guilt

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Title speaks for itself. I just rid myself of guilt tonight. I was reminded of how I felt as a child. So relieving. Calming. Grounding. I think Fi in the position it is makes us very accumulative of guilt. Just a thought.
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Okay, entirely sidestepping the very inappropriate and off-topic argument here, but thanks for posting the article that you did, @Freeflowingthoughts I'm familiar with Stellar Maze from other links posted on the site here; in my experience, the articles are hit and miss, alternating between a few bits of genuinely thought-provoking theory and long, rambling tracts of impotent rage. The one you linked was of the former variety, not the latter. It got me thinking about Fi in INFJs in a way I hadn't anticipated, so thanks.
Yeah i actually agree with you on the evaluation of his writing. Some times I feel like he's writing for the sake of it, rather than on Impulse. His extraverted sensing part 3-4 were an example of this. The first two were genuinely thought provking and you could tell he had a real organic idea. But others, can yes, be rambling. Don't forget though, he's an ENTP. he's supposed to ramble :p

Don't worry the fight brother, we're all here to discuss a topic and that's what we're doing. I thank-you for somewhat bringing it back to the topic.

Also, his very first article on INFJs. Least likely to be who you think they are. By far the best article i've ever read on INFJs and hits upon points nobody anywhere has talked about but is fundamentally the God honest truth.
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Yeah i actually agree with you on the evaluation of his writing. Some times I feel like he's writing for the sake of it, rather than on Impulse. His extraverted sensing part 3-4 were an example of this. The first two were genuinely thought provking and you could tell he had a real organic idea. But others, can yes, be rambling. Don't forget though, he's an ENTP. he's supposed to ramble :p
Hm. My point was more that some of his articles are little more than "And to hell with this type in particular" and less that he's rambling. I agree on the ENTP bit, but if I'm being brutally honest, the feeling from that site reminds me of certain less-than-stable ENTPs I've met. They can give long, flowing analyses of various subjects, their Ne+Ti working in tandem to come up with a lot of good arguments, but the moment that someone puts them down, all that tertiary Fe comes out, and it is vicious.

Read his article comparing INTJs and ENTJs and you'll see what I mean, in droves. There's no real argument in the entire thing, no real point, besides "ENTJs are just life's muscleheaded jocks and INTJs are all a bunch of self-absorbed emos who can't get out of their head long enough to do anything with their life", delivered in the most needlessly vulgar framework I've ever seen.

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Also, his very first article on INFJs. Least likely to be who you think they are. By far the best article i've ever read on INFJs and hits upon points nobody anywhere has talked about but is fundamentally the God honest truth.
Case in point. I read that article after I read the one you linked on this thread. It's very convincing, until you actually step away and think about it more. That's the problem, ultimately; I can cite a number of examples from my own life, from other INFJs I know, which utterly disprove his supposed image of the self-deluded INFJ Pygmalion. It's a very accurate description of a deeply dysfunctional INFJ, but to take it from him, all INFJs are like that. Or all ENTJs and INTJs, if we're going by his other article.

I really can't take his works seriously, not when he's prepared to post senseless, rage-fueled rants and pass them off as genuine articles like his other work. Thus why I said, before, that the article had gotten me to think, which is something I've found that pretty much all ENTPs are good at. But I wouldn't say that he had sold me on his particular theory, not after he's already proven his utter lack of integrity elsewhere on the blog.
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Hm. My point was more that some of his articles are little more than "And to hell with this type in particular" and less that he's rambling. I agree on the ENTP bit, but if I'm being brutally honest, the feeling from that site reminds me of certain less-than-stable ENTPs I've met. They can give long, flowing analyses of various subjects, their Ne+Ti working in tandem to come up with a lot of good arguments, but the moment that someone puts them down, all that tertiary Fe comes out, and it is vicious.

Read his article comparing INTJs and ENTJs and you'll see what I mean, in droves. There's no real argument in the entire thing, no real point, besides "ENTJs are just life's muscleheaded jocks and INTJs are all a bunch of self-absorbed emos who can't get out of their head long enough to do anything with their life", delivered in the most needlessly vulgar framework I've ever seen.



Case in point. I read that article after I read the one you linked on this thread. It's very convincing, until you actually step away and think about it more. That's the problem, ultimately; I can cite a number of examples from my own life, from other INFJs I know, which utterly disprove his supposed image of the self-deluded INFJ Pygmalion. It's a very accurate description of a deeply dysfunctional INFJ, but to take it from him, all INFJs are like that. Or all ENTJs and INTJs, if we're going by his other article.

I really can't take his works seriously, not when he's prepared to post senseless, rage-fueled rants and pass them off as genuine articles like his other work. Thus why I said, before, that the article had gotten me to think, which is something I've found that pretty much all ENTPs are good at. But I wouldn't say that he had sold me on his particular theory, not after he's already proven his utter lack of integrity elsewhere on the blog.
Sorry to say brother, but I think that might just be a bit of butthurt. He's not saying that types are overall bad people. He's just stating objective facts that we often do. As an INFJ, that first article made a shit tone of sense. Like he hit upon things that nobody else has ever picked up on. ENTJs will survive this emotional bullying. He's being deliberately facetious. He's trying to make us lossen up, laugh. If it makes you tense up and get offended then you have to re-evaluate your response. What he was saying is right. INFJs are one of the most selfish types in the world. Yet, when we're kind to others, we genuinely do mean it in the moment. However, when all is said and done, nothing is more sacred to us than the self.
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Eh. Sorry to say brother, but I think that might just be a bit of butthurt. He's not saying that types are overall bad people. He's just stating objective facts that we often do. As an INFJ, that first article made a shit tone of sense. Like he hit upon things that nobody else has ever picked up on. ENTJs will survive. He's being deliberately facetious. He's trying to make us losse up, laugh. If it makes you tense up and get offended then you have to re-evaluate yourself. What he was saying is right. INFJs are one of the most selfish types in the world. Yet, when we're kind to others, we genuinely do mean it. In the moment. However, when all is said and done, nothing is more sacred to us than the self.
I think you're misinterpreting my posts. However, this thread's already been derailed once; I won't be derailing it again. If you wish to discuss this further, we can do so via PM.
I think you're misinterpreting my posts. However, this thread's already been derailed once; I won't be derailing it again. If you wish to discuss this further, we can do so via PM.
Haha chill out brother, no need to get upset. We're all human. I just feel you misinterpreted Stellar Mazes intentions. He's not seeking to hurt peoples feelings and brand entire types of people. The quote "Muscleheaded jocks" or whatever it was, is simply a parody. A funny statement. Soz for being disrespectful dude. I just hope you can see that the guy is simply being comedic, not serious. That's all.

I'm curious with what you said "I can cite a number of examples from my own life, from other INFJs I know, which utterly disprove his supposed image of the self-deluded INFJ Pygmalion." I'd love to hear your examples. Just remember, an INFJ from the outside, is very different to who the INFJ is at a core/fundamental level. What you see from the outside is Fe, and what he really is, is Ni. Complete contrasts. One is intense, dead serious, all encompassing and one is bright, vervacious, silly, comprimising. You feel? This is what I primarily enjoy about his articles, is that he has an insight into what the INFJ is at a core level.
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