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This may be a bit of a rant, but I'm convinced a lot of people that test as, and think they are INFJs are not actually said personality type. Let's just talk sheer numbers. 1%. INFJs represent 1% of the population and a quiet 1% at that.

Here's my theory: A good many of you are ISFJs and several are probably INFPs.

Why would an ISFJ think they're an INFJ? Well, Si is actually pretty amazing and many of us ISFJs think we have intuitive powers, because we have such a tremendous store of information and as the ability to connect and process that information is refined, we get good at predicting behavior and understanding people and situations. We come across as intuitive. Sorry, some of you INFJs are not actually intuitive, you're just good with your Si.

Why would an INFP think they're an INFJ? In this case you think you are trying to fit in or you want to fit in with society a little better, in a J kind of way. You may desire it. You may be honestly working on it and have even had some organizational success, but you aren't a J. You can look like a J all you want, but you still function in your head as a P. If an INFP were actually an INFJ, they would have a much harder time being satisfied with themselves (not that INFPs are happy with who they are in society).

There are others that test as INFJs that probably aren't. They may just not understand personality functions. Or maybe they have low self-esteem and want to be part of an elite group. It's going to be a complex issue, but I'm convinced that way to many people think they are INFJs when that personality, by percentages, can be assumed to essentially not exist.
 

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You're just jealous that INFJs got all the cool people and ISFJs don't! :dry:
Kidding. :p

You're kind of right.
It's hard to see the N-S thing sometimes on IxFJ, I know a few people like that x_x Maybe because ISFJs are less hardcore sensors than others? this will remain a mystery
 

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I see INFJ as an Confident Relaxed Warm INTJ...an INTJ who doesn't have to control every thing...It's nice to have a place to crash… an INFJ can give you this place
 

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You're just jealous that INFJs got all the cool people and ISFJs don't! :dry:
Kidding. :p

You're kind of right.
It's hard to see the N-S thing sometimes on IxFJ, I know a few people like that x_x Maybe because ISFJs are less hardcore sensors than others? this will remain a mystery
Leave it to an ENFP to love all over an INFJ hahaha I probably am slightly jealous, but fortunate for me, there are pretty much no INFJs to be jealous of ;)

Honestly the thing with ISFJs is their sensing is introverted, so no one knows they are picking things up and then the are extraverted feelers so all this internal knowledge that comes out in feelings and knowing how to interact with the outside world, makes them seems intuitive, but we aren't.

I see INFJ as an Confident Relaxed Warm INTJ...an INTJ who doesn't have to control every thing...It's nice to have a place to crash… an INFJ can give you this place
That's kinda what they would be externally, but you won't come across hardly any.
 

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The truth is, nobody will ever know what type really is the least common because it's too difficult to sample an entire population and there isn't much of a universal consensus that INFJ is the rarest type-- IxFPs and ENxJs have also topped the lists for the rarest!

Imo, anyone who associates "rare" with "better" is just cutting him or herself short as far as self-discovery goes and insanely overrating the idea of "exotic". The whole idea is to understand what makes yourself tick. "Being" an INFJ in itself has no meaning to me.

I'm gonna headdesk if anyone else brings that up as a bragging point.
 

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Therefore INTJs are not confident, not relaxed and cold?

And we try to control everything?

Do you enjoy ridiculous generalising?
I ment confident and extaverted when dealing with people
Stop controlling, orgnizing and making plans for the next 100 years
I'm INTJ too
 

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Their over-representation on this site is a side effect of their under-represententation in real life. That's why there are so few ESFJs here even though they're the most common type. They don't need to use personality sites like this to find like-minded others since their are plently around them already.

Just a theory.
 

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I ment confident and extaverted when dealing with people
Stop controlling, orgnizing and making plans for the next 100 years
I'm INTJ too
I don't give a fuck if you're an INTJ. That just makes your generalising even more idiotic.

Do you really think that we're all the same?
 

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The truth is, nobody will ever know what type really is the least common because it's too difficult to sample an entire population and there isn't much of a universal consensus that INFJ is the rarest type-- IxFPs and ENxJs have also topped the lists for the rarest!

Imo, anyone who associates "rare" with "better" is just cutting him or herself short as far as self-discovery goes and insanely overrating the idea of "exotic". The whole idea is to understand what makes yourself tick. "Being" an INFJ in itself has no meaning to me.

I'm gonna headdesk if anyone else brings that up as a bragging point.
I agree.

I'd also like to add that most people I've met have a superficial understanding of the MBTI (even one of my own psychology professors!). They do know the eight letters (I/E, N/S, T/F, J/P). But what they don't know are the cognitive processes represented by those letters.

Before I understood the cognitive processes, I tested as ISTJ, INTJ, INFP, INFJ, INTP, ISTP and ENTP. How discouraging...now understanding the cognitive processes, I've tested only as INTJ, INFJ, ENFJ and ISTP.
 

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Their over-representation on this site is a side effect of their under-represententation in real life. That's why there are so few ESFJs here even though they're the most common type. They don't need to use personality sites like this to find like-minded others since their are plently around them already.

Just a theory.
That's likely true. In fact I know it's true, because there are tons of INFPs here and not a whole lot of ISFJs, but I meet far too many purported INFJs in everyday interaction to believe it. I think it's a type people associate themselves with too easily and aren't understanding personality functions well enough to know they aren't INFJs.
 

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This may be a bit of a rant, but I'm convinced a lot of people that test as, and think they are INFJs are not actually said personality type. Let's just talk sheer numbers. 1%. INFJs represent 1% of the population and a quiet 1% at that.

Here's my theory: A good many of you are ISFJs and several are probably INFPs.

Why would an ISFJ think they're an INFJ? Well, Si is actually pretty amazing and many of us ISFJs think we have intuitive powers, because we have such a tremendous store of information and as the ability to connect and process that information is refined, we get good at predicting behavior and understanding people and situations. We come across as intuitive. Sorry, some of you INFJs are not actually intuitive, you're just good with your Si.

Why would an INFP think they're an INFJ? In this case you think you are trying to fit in or you want to fit in with society a little better, in a J kind of way. You may desire it. You may be honestly working on it and have even had some organizational success, but you aren't a J. You can look like a J all you want, but you still function in your head as a P. If an INFP were actually an INFJ, they would have a much harder time being satisfied with themselves (not that INFPs are happy with who they are in society).

There are others that test as INFJs that probably aren't. They may just not understand personality functions. Or maybe they have low self-esteem and want to be part of an elite group. It's going to be a complex issue, but I'm convinced that way to many people think they are INFJs when that personality, by percentages, can be assumed to essentially not exist.
I don't know if INFJs are the rarest personality type or not, BUT they do exist, and I am one of them.

Don't believe me? Let me get to know you, and I will read your soul.
 

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I don't know if INFJs are the rarest personality type or not, BUT they do exist, and I am one of them.

Don't believe me? Let me get to know you, and I will read your soul.
You mean the way I would, given just little time with someone?

Don't get me wrong, INFJs exist, but they are rare and a lot of ISFJs get it wrong.
 

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That's likely true. In fact I know it's true, because there are tons of INFPs here and not a whole lot of ISFJs, but I meet far too many purported INFJs in everyday interaction to believe it. I think it's a type people associate themselves with too easily and aren't understanding personality functions well enough to know they aren't INFJs.
I agree. People are too likely to think "INFJ is the rarest type. I'm misunderstood, I must be INFJ." They are likely to be a different type.
That said, doubting someone's type based on statistics isn't reliable. As someone else said in this thread, it's impossible to test the entire population of the world.
 

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Well first of all mistyping oneself is prevalent amongst all types, not just INFJs. Although it is possible that people may be attracted to the idea of being INFJ, I think it is outrageously misguided to say that they just "have low self-esteem and want to be a part of an elite group". The cognitive functioning specific to INFJ types can be quite deceiving and convoluted, which makes it a difficult type to recognize. For example, the Fe functioning can often lead people to believe that they are extroverts, when in fact, it is just in the INFJ nature to connect with other people on an emotional level, despite their introversion.

There may be some truth to what you're saying, however, I don't think your claim that INFJs "essentially don't exist" has any validity to it. The rarity of personality types is simply a statistic (one that I'm sure was gathered from outdated techniques) and it really is not possible to get a sense of the true numbers.
 

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You mean the way I would, given just little time with someone?

Don't get me wrong, INFJs exist, but they are rare and a lot of ISFJs get it wrong.

I don't doubt that many people get it wrong, but I was getting it wrong for a long time thinking that I actually wasn't an INFJ, and this was true of other INFJs that I have talked to. It confuses us why we are always torn between the inner and outer worlds. I have come to realize that the mainstream view about introverts getting out of their shell actually does apply to us, because we want to use the ideas that are in our heads to impact other people's perceptions.

The thing about INFJs is that we are kind of like internalized extroverts. When we go off into our own world, we will often get inside of other people's heads. RIGHT NOW, as I write this, in my mind's eye I see YOU sitting at your computer and reading this. I am anticipating your reactions to what I am saying. I write in the hopes that it will have some sort of impact on you, and that you will do more research and come to a greater understanding of INFJs. Even if you believe that they do exist and ISFJs have it wrong, it would still make me happy if you looked deeper into the INFJs in personality cafe.

We actually desire to have meaningful relationships with people, but often Ni holds us back. We enjoy complex stuff and understand it very easily, and this exicites us. We often have to calm ourselves down in order to enjoy the simple things in life.

It is a good personality to have, but most of us don't understand ourselves and think we are worthless. It has helped me in a big way to learn about INFJs. In fact, it may have very well saved my life.

Have a great day! I hope this was helpful! :happy:
 

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Did I mention that the whole "attention whore" thing that people say about extroverts also applies to us? Yeah, I am sitting here very excited to see what other people have to say about what I said. I kind of need to be validated because of Fe. If I find out that it had a meaningful impact, I will probably go turn the radio on and go off into my mind "partying".
 

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I've taken the MBTI test at Similar Minds , My Personality.info , Human Metrics , Kisa.ca , and probably 20 times, every result was ALWAYS - INFJ

From everything I've read about the INFJ , I can identify with the description more than ANY of the other 15 types, and I didn't start to really study the INFJ descriptions until after I had taken the tests from multiple sites multiple times.

Me....an SJ ? nah , that's funny :laughing:
 
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