Don't worry; it's the internet. Anonymity breeds brass balls.I am in danger of developing a bit of a negative view on them though, due to the spiteful words/actions of certain ESTPs on this website. There was one thread where they sort of ganged up to attack the INFJ's natural inclination to support internal growth. Plus, there may or may not be one ESTP on this website who I have a bone to pick with... :frustrating:
I agree, thanks for the reassurance. Sometimes I wish that were not the case... People can be so rude on here. Anyways, this is a good thread. Now I'm kind of curious as to you INTJs' opinions of ESFPs. :tongue:Don't worry; it's the internet. Anonymity breeds brass balls.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. Don't be afraid to reach out to me or others if you ever need advice with that kind of thing, or for any other matter. And thanksI agree, thanks for the reassurance. Sometimes I wish that were not the case... People can be so rude on here. Anyways, this is a good thread. Now I'm kind of curious as to you INTJs' opinions of ESFPs. :tongue:
Thanks! And I liked reading your analysis on ESTPs. Let us know if things develop between you and your crush. Here's to hoping that he's more intuitive than he comes across.I agree with your judgment of ESFPs, it's pretty accurate so don't worry about sounding bitter. They can annoy me at times, as there's one ESFP I know who is just not the sharpest knife in the drawer...at all. Obviously that doesn't go for all ESFPs.
I do feel that the (theoretical) relationship between INTJs and ESFPs would be a very difficult and unlikely one, though I'm sure people could make it work if they were dedicated enough. The funny thing about ESFPs, as I've learned from experience with my one amazing ESFP friend, is that they can be surprisingly perceptive every now and then...Not always, of course; the ESFPs I know tend to disagree with me on things that to me seem obvious or instinctual, but every once in awhile an ESFP will surprise you with some hidden wisdom. I think everyone can admit that they probably have more experience than we do in certain (er, social) areas. :laughing:
Anyways, that was a very interesting read! I find inter-type relationships intriguing as you probably could tell, no matter how impossible some may seem. Thanks for offering your advice, I'll be sure to come to you if I ever feel the need. :tongue: All in all, I think this is an interesting thread; it's a shame there aren't more replies but you never know, maybe it will become popular overnight! Thanks for your kindness. Happy posting! :happy:
I gave this some thought, and while Nolan's Joker is a lot more intuitive, the overall character in the series is definitely an S. Here's why.The joker's definitely an ENTP, not ESTP. Not sure what to type Batman. But they're fun to be around. They become annoying when they start to get rambunctious though
Do you know (m)any? Do they drive you nuts? Or are they a necessary force in your life?
I sometimes wonder what opposite types think of each other.
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I gave this some thought, and while Nolan's Joker is a lot more intuitive, the overall character in the series is definitely an S. Here's why.
1. He's very, very "spur-of-the-moment." He might speak vaguely of some grand plans, but his ultimate passion is simply causing chaos wherever he sees fit. Even his grand plans only exist insofar as they fuel his own evil brand of "in the moment" thinking. Even in the Nolan universe, he's very pragmatic/realistic, albeit in a twisted sense: "Don't talk like one of them; you're not, even if you'd like to be" and "When the chips are down, these civilized people [will] eat each other" are prime examples. His monologue on why he uses a knife, specifically, also is indicative of a sensing paradigm. It's true that he seems to have a philosophy, but his philosophy is more about the little individual pieces than a greater idea. But yeah, I'd say he definitely possesses some intuitive qualities, like his resourcefulness - I'd put it at 60%/40% S/N.
2. The Joker has an antisocial personality; he's a psychopath. I'm reading a book called Evil Genes and it talks about the brains of psychopaths - basically, the same areas in the brain that allow for empathy also allow for understanding of grand ideas, big dreams, intuition, etc. Psychopaths have extreme deficiency in these areas. While the Joker is a character, this would still steer me to the "S" direction.
Turns out people have already talked about this:
The Joker - MBTI in Fiction
Well, I was referring to the overall character (which is why I used to comic book image rather than Ledger's), but I always saw the Harvey/Rachel swap as being something he did in the moment for fun. The reason for this was that either outcome would have been good for him - a dead Harvey would have been equally bad - if not worse - for the city.Are you sure that his ideas are spur of the moment? In The Dark Knight movie it seemed like everything he did was well thought out. While Batman solved one problem, Joker had another second simultaneous scheme in the works. He had a hard time getting an upper hand the entire movie because the problems were always two or three fold. Remember, how he tricks Batman into saving Harvey Dent instead of Rachel (these are well thought out plans). However, I don't know how much the movie defers from the actual comic.
I believe Batman is INTJ or a very dark INFJ and Joker is ENTP.
Yea, however all his randomness usually leads to some over all big picture. In other words, one plan leads to multiple radiating plans (like branches on a tree). Its just when you are trapped in all the details of the chaos he has created, you over look the big picture and that's how he gets the upper hand.Well, I was referring to the overall character (which is why I used to comic book image rather than Ledger's), but I always saw the Harvey/Rachel swap as being something he did in the moment for fun. The reason for this was that either outcome would have been good for him - a dead Harvey would have been equally bad - if not worse - for the city.
Regardless, simply being able to construct plans does not an "N" make. One could argue that because his plans are so detailed, and because they don't really relate to any greater idea or philosophy (they exist only to satisfy the Joker's sadistic desires - clearly an Se function), he's an ESTP.