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You always hear about people on tv talking about how much they love their jobs and how they got successful at it, but how often do you see that in real life when you're still in debt because of college fees and you. Okay, I'm horrible at making slippery slopes, but anyways here's my problem: I've been working as a pharmtech for a retail pharmacy for the last two years, while going to community college. Pretty soon I'll be transferring to a UC and it just seems like there's so much pressure to choose a major that will help with getting a good paying job instead of one that you're genuinely interested in. I have a lot of people telling me that I should follow what interests me and what I like, but so far it seems that these people are having trouble with money/finding jobs, or the jobs that they have currently don't have anything to do with what they wanted or they're still in school for over four years because they keep changing majors and don't have anything higher than a BA. I live in California and every time I turn on the TV it seems like everything in the economy is getting worse everyday. I have a lot of pressure myself to go the distance and actually becoming a pharmacist, but working two years in retail really takes its toll and I've become pretty bitter jaded and have prejudice tendencies now... so I'm not exactly sure if I want to do something like that as a career, although I am aware that there are jobs for pharmacists they don't have anything to do with patients, but that would mean that I would ONLY stand around counting pills all day... or research for some big pharmaceutical company that does inhumane tests on kids in Africa and chimps or something...My current major that is on my mind is cultural anthropology. Used to be ethnic studies, but that's just way too much social injustice for an INFP to put up with and eventually it all just builds up and makes you no know what to do anymore =/. Cultural anthropology has more of a broader spectrum and I haven't gotten bored with any of the subjects yet (except for the teachers) but like I said, the way things are now it doesn't seem like there's going to be much money into that unless I get into Applied anthropology... (for any of you who actually know what that is) and again, that would mean I'd have to whore myself to some corporation. I could be a professor, but I'm not exactly sure what the demand for that is yet... Basically what I want to do is write children's books... or cryptic not-so-children's books with a lot of social commentary...

shout out to anyone who still remembers me from INFP.globalchatter :D
 

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To quote the man in my avatar:

"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

I for one take that to heart.
 

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I think that this is mainly an asian cultural problem....there are so many factors at work here, both psychological and societal. Truly you are the only one who can solve this problem, and think it through to the end that will bring happiness to you. I don't think any answer that we here could supply could help you in this dilemma. Think through what you want, and why you want those things, and the answer will stand before you.
 

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I think that this is mainly an asian cultural problem....there are so many factors at work here, both psychological and societal. Truly you are the only one who can solve this problem, and think it through to the end that will bring happiness to you. I don't think any answer that we here could supply could help you in this dilemma. Think through what you want, and why you want those things, and the answer will stand before you.

not entirely asian.

The United States is actually one of the most productive hardest working nations in the world. Because of this people are at a much higher risk to stress related problems (heart conditions, over eating, etc).
 

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WEll---thanks Tommy--your gift at sticking to school work makes me look far weaker by comparisoN:) Aside that----i also appear far weaker to those who go full plunge into a sitcome type career, or comedian or that one Utube comic show on the Comedy Central channel. As far as immoralness goes---i can understand that---i'd probably do it anyways, but find a way to punish myself in the way arts 4's with a intellectual 5 wing are described to do-- I imagine any type 2 would probably drink themselves to death like in the Movie "the Last King of Scottland", and that dictator dudes doctor felt so bleah with working for him.

As far as competition goes; i like to humor about it:) My brother at times likes to dabble in anime, and wants to be a drawer for it. So i say the wearst possilbe mark against it, though never against myself perhaps? So I respond wiht---you must beat the competition----you must make an anime that sells to pedophiles--and that will have little competition.:0 no>Lol punchline i'm afraid:( Heh, but even with such competion, i wouldn't give up my fantasy---maybe someone more tough willed than myself--would preferably die a poor homeless man on the side walk than give up their fantasy. Poo the rest of us who have a tad more sanity and a lot more fear.
 

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Say wut? Wut u tryin to say dere little pikmen buddie?
 

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You always hear about people on tv talking about how much they love their jobs and how they got successful at it, but how often do you see that in real life when you're still in debt because of college fees and you. Okay, I'm horrible at making slippery slopes, but anyways here's my problem: I've been working as a pharmtech for a retail pharmacy for the last two years, while going to community college. Pretty soon I'll be transferring to a UC and it just seems like there's so much pressure to choose a major that will help with getting a good paying job instead of one that you're genuinely interested in. I have a lot of people telling me that I should follow what interests me and what I like, but so far it seems that these people are having trouble with money/finding jobs, or the jobs that they have currently don't have anything to do with what they wanted or they're still in school for over four years because they keep changing majors and don't have anything higher than a BA. I live in California and every time I turn on the TV it seems like everything in the economy is getting worse everyday. I have a lot of pressure myself to go the distance and actually becoming a pharmacist, but working two years in retail really takes its toll and I've become pretty bitter jaded and have prejudice tendencies now... so I'm not exactly sure if I want to do something like that as a career, although I am aware that there are jobs for pharmacists they don't have anything to do with patients, but that would mean that I would ONLY stand around counting pills all day... or research for some big pharmaceutical company that does inhumane tests on kids in Africa and chimps or something...My current major that is on my mind is cultural anthropology. Used to be ethnic studies, but that's just way too much social injustice for an INFP to put up with and eventually it all just builds up and makes you no know what to do anymore =/. Cultural anthropology has more of a broader spectrum and I haven't gotten bored with any of the subjects yet (except for the teachers) but like I said, the way things are now it doesn't seem like there's going to be much money into that unless I get into Applied anthropology... (for any of you who actually know what that is) and again, that would mean I'd have to whore myself to some corporation. I could be a professor, but I'm not exactly sure what the demand for that is yet... Basically what I want to do is write children's books... or cryptic not-so-children's books with a lot of social commentary...
The key here is two things :

a) you have to live somehow

b) do what you love

If you feel that you can live on a 'crappy' job and do the childrens writing in your sparetime that is one option. Even Einstein worked in a patents office full time, doing pointless admin while he was working on his physics theories in his sparetime and I guess he somehow found out what he was good at and something he enjoyed that could make a difference in some way.

So don't go heading down the anthropology route if at the end of it, you won't feel anymore fufilled. Any job has it's asking price, I'm considering becoming a teacher, which has a bunch of paperwork nowadays alongside the great thing of actually teaching/inspiring (possibly) and helping a child find their calling in life. Same with any career, there will always be parts that are going to be less enjoyable, however can you stick through them whilst knowing that there are good parts?

Also maybe look at careers there are in existence, and see what ones you feel you don't like, do like and then maybe. So you have three categories. Have a look in the ones you do like and see which ones of those are in demand and that you are good at, and enjoy doing. I know that I am capable of becoming an academic and if I got the funding and put my time in, I could possibly be a lecturer, much like what you are considering. However, I don't really want to dedicate myself to a job that is going to be as much research and writing papers as it is lecturing, again it has a price to pay, it's not just telling people the great ideas I know from philosophy and sociology. Also lecturers and university professors have worked hard to be where they are, and I hardly blame them for wanting to keep their ivory towers.

Finally, work out what your core values are... What are the things that matter most to you?

I like creativity, growth, leadership, learning, education and the arts. Then integrity, character, honesty, shrewdness, confidence, courage etc. When I finally sat down and thought that through, immediately something along a teaching path jumped out at me... So perhaps you may find a suitable path by working out what matters most to you in your life and on an 'abstract' level, I say abstract because you have to see the bigger picture to think about it, and then apply it to your life in the way that you feel gives you the best results.

:happy: keep the faith, it's not all doom and gloom.
 

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To quote the man in my avatar:

"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

I for one take that to heart.

I like that quote. Not to be ignorant - but who said it? I don't recognize the picture.. .EDIT: OH its from fight club!! Just had divine revelation.

Anyways, When I first started college I wanted to do something with computers, I checked out the computer science dept. and within 5 minutes knew it wasn't for me. So I started talking to a counselor at the University and she swayed me to check out business. She urged me to go forward towards an HR/IS business degree because those are in huge demand and pay well. Pretty much she told me to chase the job in demand that pays well.

Horrible mistake. I wasted 3 years of collge, countless amounts of money, and now i'm wallowing in debt and only recently found the degree I want to pursue. Follow what you love, the money will follow.

cultural anthropology would be something that I think any INFP would love to study. If you chase that you can get your BA in that and then if you want to chase the $$ then follow up with a masters in like marketing or something.

Let me reemphasize my point: follow what you love. Take some time to figure out what you want, why you want it and what interests you. Don't feel pressure to find a degree right away. One thing I am glad about the 3 years I "wasted" in school is I found new hobbies, friends and it wisened me up so I'm 100% ready to dive into my degree. I have a close friend who dove right away into a degree. He graduates this semester in Finance. but he hates what he is studying and doesn't want to follow it. So now he's probably going back for another unrelated degree (probably in medical/health)
 

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i can assure you,i would not "love" to study cultural anthropology. in fact i would probably hate it. i took a class on it and it was depressing and horrible.(i am an INFP btw) i know another INFP who was majoring in it but ended up switching to archeology because the cultural anthro stuff was too ridiculous for her... lol

juuuuuuuuus sayin....
 

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cultural anthropology would be something that I think any INFP would love to study. If you chase that you can get your BA in that and then if you want to chase the $$ then follow up with a masters in like marketing or something.
well.. I decided for myself that if I was goin to major in something I was genuinely interested in, I would definitely go for a PhD. Applied anthropology is the branch that goes into marketing and to be honest, after working for a coorperation for the last two years of my life I would really like to stay the FUCK away from them. Basically the only rule in corperations: "there are no morals, only profit" I forgot who wrote that essay =/ but it really is the truth.
 

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I never went to college. I dropped out because I wanted to write and I was writing so why spend $40K on something that wasn't going to help me get published. There's no direct correlation between a writing degree and having a successful first novel. That's one of the Rules.

I wrote a blog post called You Are What You Believe - www.infpblog.com/being-infp/you-are-what-you-believe/

It basically sums up my entire theory of the universe into 8 things. It's about The System, systems, Games, Rules and Rewards.

You want to play the "I Want To Write Children's Book" Game and the Reward for that game is a written children's book. That game is very different than the "I Want To Make A Living At Writing Children's Books" Game. Each game has its set of Rules. Do you even know what the Rules are? Do you know anything about the business of writing children's books?

Each Reward we want has a Game attached. Each Game has multiple sets of Rules. INFPs are crap following the Rules, but we whine endlessly about not getting the Reward.

Rule number 5: If you don’t want the Rewards, don’t play the Games. If you don’t want to play the Games, don’t whine that you’re not getting the Reward.

If you want career advice, you should read career sites that actually know the Rules for careers. Do what you love is crappy advice. Read about it at Brazen Careerist by someone who makes living at helping people with careers: blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/12/18/bad-career-advice-do-what-you-love/

I love her blog. My favorite quote is " Career decisions are about what kind of life do I want to set up for myself"

I wanted a life without college debt. I wanted a life where I don't live paycheck to paycheck. I wanted a life with house that I could raise kids in. I wanted to travel. I wanted this life doing work that took me the least amount of effort so I could concentrate my energies on the important things like family, friends, writing and learning.

That's why I'm a computer programmer. It was easy for me to learn and easy for me to do. Minimal stress and I don't have to take work home with me. It sets me up for the life I want to live.

If I could find an even easier job that let me live the way I wanted, I would be doing that.


PS - The great thing about not owning a tv is that I haven't been regularly exposed to a commercial in 20 years.
 

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Thankyou Mr. INFP BLog---eitehr i'm getting a good vibe--which i may suck at, so maybe its just a better advise direction and newer. Haha, i shall try it and even your blog perhaps. Now i'll have this page saved in the user CP thingy. Which is why i wrote this further response--ha, ha.
 

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Most career advice is some variation of "you should do what I do." That's crap. More than likely, you don't have the values I do unless you had the same type of parents and the same type of background. Also values change and that's why careers change.

When I was in my early twenties, I use to value independence and since I didn't get along with my parents, family was low on the list. So I did temp work. Long term security wasn't a value so I didn't care if I had a 401K. The job changed every 2 weeks. I would never accept temp work that lasted longer than 2 weeks.

Then I got married and had kids. Well, family moved up to the top of my values and so did providing my family with some sense of security so I had to change careers to match those new values.

Careers are based on values, not behavior preferences. INFP is just a preference in behavior. INFP doesn't tell me if you're a goody two shoes or an evil genius.

If you happen to be an evil genius, serial killing combined with identity theft can be profitable and no one tells you what to do. Just not me though.
 

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The most important thing to me is to be happy in life...If I have some boring desk job that's making me tens of thousands, I'm not gonna be happy...if I'm exploring the world's beauty and expressing myself in various ways yet barely making enough to survive, I'd be happy
 

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I'm not materially motivated. I would rather earn little doing something that I love, than slaving away in an office with only a mountain of money to snuggle up to. My utopian ideal would be to convert a horsebox, decorate it with loads of little trinkets and nick-nacks and travel around Britain and Europe, selling my art to get by. There is an artist who does just this. I'm enchanted by her blog: The Hermitage

Anyway, I think far to many people have lost sight of what's important. ''The most pitiful among men is he who turns his dreams into silver and gold.'' - Kahil Gibran.
 

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Just found this excellent old thread that I can also relate somewhat..
so, anybody also feels like the OP, especially in these "modern, materialistic, capitalistic" era nowadays?..
what say you?
 

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I was just talking about this last night with my wife. I chose a career that I enjoy (care of archives and manuscripts) but it seems like I enjoy it for all the wrong reasons as far as making any good money is concerned - my current job does not pay enough to live on and I have had to work extra jobs for the past four years, some of them related to my profession, others not. And lately as I have been sort of re-investigating my INFP-ness I've wondered about whether I should go into something like human resources or counseling or psychology. How much of that is just from reading Keirsey and how much is what truly feels right for me? Not sure yet.

Maybe I need to get into an administrative position, where I work with people and can promote harmony among them all the time while having the authority to back me up and enough pay to actually live comfortably.
 
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