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So, I have dug up an irritation with instinctual variants. I originally typed myself as a 7w6 SP/SX (I have been playing with the Enneagram for years now;; but only discovered instinctual variants months ago). I did this, because when I take quizzes and surveys specifically about instinctual variants, I get very high scores for Self-Preservation and Sexual instinctual variants (almost tied, but usually SP is a bit higher), and a really low score for Social. BUT, when I look at the individual instinctual variant descriptions for Type 7 (link below), I relate much more to SX and SO! What gives???

Fine Distinctions: Type Sevens | Center for Spiritual Resources

If the instinctual variants are taken as standalone descriptions (without Enneagram type), I see myself as SP/SX. If I read the Type 7 instinctual variant descriptions, I would type myself as SX (possibly SO). AND THEN! If I read instinctual variant stackings for type 7, I type as SP/SX. What the heck!

Why are all the instinctual variant descriptions SO different?
 

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@Quang

Of course I'm jelly!

But mostly. . .because I like toast. :tongue:

Anyways, I didn't realize Type 9 instinctual variant descriptions were anymore inherently cohesive? Is this true?
 

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@Quang

Also, this is a side note, but your test link is not showing up in your signature (this could just be me and my browser) but it looks like this:

SX/SP 974 - ENFP

v USE THIS LINK IF YOU ARE TAKING THE TEST v

Hi! If you are interested in narrowing down your enneagram type, take my Enneagram Fantasy Test.
This test is designed to help newcomers narrow down their enneagram type using fantasy archetypes as illustrations.


(^ That is a direct copy & paste)
 

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You're not the only one.

I really don't know,I currently type as sp/sx mostly based on intuition lol,and it makes sense for 2 for the most part

Anyway,gonna come to your thread soon!
 

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This was not suppose to be about me. . .(it was suppose to be about how confusing the clashing instinctual variant descriptions are). However, I just wanted to announce, that I am officially making a change in my signature! Ha Ha. :tongue:

I am switching over to SX/SP. I don't switch things around without a lot of careful thought and contemplation, but I think this is correct. . .

Social

1) Generally, I positively associate with the idea of being a part of something larger than myself. Though I may find it either overwhelming, because of my astute awareness of what lies beyond my own interests, or inspiring. 2
2) I am very aware of the impact my decision will have on others and can be quite attuned to their reactions and needs. I read people well. 2
3) Being recognized or valued by my peers or community, for my contributions, is important to me. 1
4) I tend to have strong opinions on social change and/or social constructs and trends. 3
5) I am aware of not only my own relationships, but also power structures and the nature of bonds between other people. I have a deep understanding of interconnectedness between groups and people who comprise them. In other words, I am good at perceiving the many facets of how a group works within its context and outside of it. I easily pick up on how I fit into the social hierarchy, whether or not I approve of it. 0
6) I am socially aware, but I can also be reserved and socially distant. 2
7) If I gravitate towards group (s)/institution (s)/gathering(s)of my choosing, I can be quite involved with championing the values and goals of this grouping. 1
8) I tend to keep track of current events, even when not required to for my career performance. 1
9) At my worst I am either strongly conformist or excessively anti-society/counter culture. At my best, my relationships with others are ones of healthy interdependence, and I may be inclined to strong individual leadership or display deep commitment in establishing teamwork and collaboration. 1
10) "no man is an island." Everything is part of an interconnected web, like it or not. 2
Self Preservation

1) I am acutely aware of my physical safety (though sometimes I will choose to do something dangerous anyway) 4
2) when I go to a party, I immediately notice the temperature, the smells and where the food is 2
3) I am very health conscious 4
4) financial/career, physical and/or romantic security are very important to me 3
5) if I have an injury or a health related problem, I typically notice quickly 4
6) I tend to save a decent amount of my money 3
7) predictability is important to me. the sooner I can know about things in advance, the better. 4
8) when I'm under stress, things like health, finances, hygiene or other things that I normally stay on top of start to slip, sometimes severely. 2
9) I'm acutely aware of cause and effect, particularly when the potential consequences are dire. if my friends listened to me more, they'd end up making a lot less stupid mistakes. 3
10) physical comfort is important to me. I can get distracted by things like uncomfortable seats, high humidity or bodily pain when I'm trying to enjoy time with my friends. 3
Sexual

1) I have an addictive personality 3
2) "if it's not worth doing in excess, it's not worth doing at all" 3
3) people generally think I'm "too much". in lots of situations, I feel like it's expected of me to tone myself down considerably (which I will either refuse to do or do so begrudgingly). 4
4) my energy is either "on" or "off". when I'm in the presence of someone who I vibe with my mind does an internal "YES! FINALLY!" and I try to start a conversation with that person. 5
5) I can be obsessive with my love interests. I am either clingy or have to try very hard not to be. 4
6) I feel like a part of me is missing and am looking for someone to complete me. At times, this creates a raw sort of longing that can lead to emotional volatility. 3
7) I have strong impulses (particularly with regards to relationships). I frequently wish I didn't have to be so damn careful. 5
8) if I'm not in a relationship, I feel old. I don't know how it's possible for people to be happy without passionate intimacy, because being without it makes me feel dead. 5
9) I only feel alive when indulging my passions. Sometimes this causes me to neglect other areas of my life. 3
10) people either love me or hate me, but either way, my personality grabs attention, whether I want it to or not. 3
Social: 15
Self-Preservation: 32
Sexual: 38
 

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You dont pass me as a sexual 7, don't ask me for evidence, my Ne doesn't have it. You have a cerebreal air about you, in a 6ish kind of manner? Almost like a 6w7, but since I don't know you and your motives and etc and I wouldn't disrespect your thinking of you believing you're a 7, I would feel like the SP energy you carry would emphasis your six wing.

I always felt like to makes more sense to look as instincts as an independent variable and not applied to your enneagram, because lets face it, enneagram is a slippery slope. So I hope this helps.

Originally from typewatchenneagram.blogspot.com

Typewatch Instinct Ranges


the 3 ranges of sx/sp:

sx/sp seducer (weak sp) - sx in full command produces an active recruiter of potential mates; but being sx/sp this remains in the yin mode of seducing. charismatic and overtly sexualized, arguably the most purely sx of all stacks and ranges. draws from so/sx shadow to liven up sx into an erotic playfulness and to keep sx far ahead of their relatively nominal sp. an emotional yearning to their mating ritual; an inherently unstable range that can lead to a pattern of serial heartbreak. often confused for sx/so.


sx/sp mystifier (midrange) - the range where the mystique of the sx/sp stack is at its strongest. unconsciously attracts with intense eye contact and other sx feelers, but holds back enough to give them a kind of untouchable or hard to get close to quality. depending on their true intentions this can either frustrate their sx or reward their functional sp cooling system. like midrangers of all stacks, there's a seemingly casual approach to meeting their variant needs as the secondary instinct is kept both in play and at bay, and others may wonder what they really want.


sx/sp wanderer (strong sp) - the most clasically 'blocked' of the sx's, often exchanging intimacy in favor of the more immediate pleasures of the body. paradoxically the most wandering and restless of the sx/sp's. pulls from sp/so to ensure the sx flood is contained by the sp levee, which can provide a sense of stability at the expense of seeming put off by others. sex can mean a hollow satisfying of the instinct while more vulnerable feelings are suspended. quietly charged but muted, and can seem self pres first.


the 3 ranges of sp/sx:

sp/sx ascetic (weak sx) - mimics sp/so building of career and security, with an eye on advancement in the name of self sufficiency, but little or no concern for status as in the case of so/sp. generally serious but enjoys being amused by others.
quote: "looking out for number one."
pulls from: so/sp, to mute sx
role: the island, the one-man enterprise
exemplars: tiger woods, jerry west, hugh heffner, evel knievel, paul newman, george lucas, johnny carson
fictional from star wars: boba fett

sp/sx binger (midline) - can 'hang out' around likeminded persons to imbibe in favorite goodies, though social interaction itself is not a priority. they do however remain slyly conscious of interpersonal attraction, even if characteristically hesitant to make a first move. whether alone or not, retains an air of privacy, reluctant to 'come out' of themselves.
quote: "all things in moderation, including moderation."
role: the soloist, the mercenary
exemplars: kobe bryant, anthony bourdain, simon cowell, robert deniro, harrison ford, ralph nader
fictional from star wars: han solo

sp/sx decadent (strong sx) - sp at its most saturated with sx; self-attending ways are offset by a wilder outgoing streak, reaching outside themselves then pulling back. noticable 'sx-y' quality, often enough to pass for sx first.
quote: "what is my life, without the things I love?"
pulls from: sx/so, to enhance sx
role: the sensualist, the hedonist
exemplars: david beckham, sarah mclachlan, dido, rachael ray, george harrison, maureen dowd
fictional from star wars: lando calrissian


the 3 ranges of sp/so:

sp/so strongside (weak soc) - concerned with building and maintaining an orderly home, personal stability, and the protection and nurturing of these life support systems. consequently many strongsiders are concentrated in the small towns and suburban areas where likeminded people support and respect each other's space and privacy. tapping sx/sp gives them a taciturn edge, tending to be social-second in name only; this range is arguably the purest expression of self preservation. their somewhat gruff demeanor can make them quite amusing despite themselves. can occasionally seem sp/sx due to stronger focus on personal items, food, and domestic concerns. the pillar, the accountant, the farmer. martha stewart, julia child, emeril, andy rooney, leona helmsley, jack nicklaus. fictionals: archie bunker, frank barone, hank hill, scrooge, stanley hudson, oscar the grouch.


sp/so builder (midrange) - the most businesslike range of sp/so, and hence all stacks and ranges. trades a degree of self sufficiency to be involved with larger organizations, bringing along their natural propensity for development and management of resources. for example a strongsider may attain financial security for themselves or loved ones, but a midrange builder may enrich an entire team, company, or city on the way. frequently found among entrepreneurs, architects, engineers, bankers, city planners, corporate ceo's, and coaches, as well as proprietors and managers of small businesses. can be difficult for them to relate outside of their primary focus, being more 'locked in' to their stack than the other ranges. as such they are inclined to busy themselves with projects which seem useful to them. the planner, the developer, the executive. donald trump, bill gates, steve ballmer, newt gingrich, larry bird, mike ditka, ann richards, ross perot, john wayne, gerald ford, steve forbes, david stern.
fictionals: lucy van pelt, peter griffin, jean pargeter.


sp/so weakside (strong soc) - draws from so/sx to produce what is overall a lighter, friendlier, and more humor employing style within self pres (though funny through conscious effort and without much irony, unlike strongsiders who are relatively less aware of how they're perceived). can seem more sociable than many so/sp's, and better embodying of a common touch. a notable degree of social consciousness tempers their more private security seeking instinct, so not surprisingly weaksiders can seem soc first, often with a certain generous or self sacrificial quality. the self deprecator, the sidekick, the philanthropist. james dobson, dan rather, david letterman, rush limbaugh, steven spielberg, al franken, don rickles, woody allen, ray romano, michael moore, jerry brown, charles barkley. fictionals: charlie brown, piglet, mr tumnus, threepio.


the 3 ranges of so/sp:

so/sp warmside (weak sp) - pulls from sx/so to enhance outer warmth, revving up the soc to where they can pass off as more stereotypically so/sx than many true so/sx's. not surprisingly, many supposed so/sx's are in fact so/sp's of this range. being sx last they tend to relate less through nonverbal expression and more through talking and joking around; but what they lack in subtlety they may make up for in overt conscientiousness, whereas so/sx's tend to be subtle and tactful. the populist, the humorist, the fundraiser. jay leno, arnold schwarzenegger, conan o'brien, "the rock", john mccain, ellen degeneres, george w. bush.

so/sp cordial (midrange) - the classic or 'true' so/sp, not likely to be mistaken for either so/sx nor sp/so. the most wide reaching and moderate of the ranges; friendly but not ingratiating, anchored by a larger sense of community but not at the expense of delicate alliances. more verbal than the formal range but less sociable than warmsiders; have a strong sense of fairness and equality, though an academic or careerist bent may come off as elitist. the journalist, the globalist, the egalitarian. obama, bob costas, mike wallace, al gore, hillary clinton, steve nash.

so/sp formal (strong sp) - pulls from sp/sx for a more self contained style. soc while still primary, is muted; can seem critical and more impersonal than the other ranges. a usual focus on topics, issues, and responsibilities affecting specific levels of society. usually well connected, but in informal settings may let others do most of the talking. can seem self pres at first glance. the pundit, the judge, the commentator. george will, larry king, bill maher, bill o'reilly, helen clark, jesse ventura, margaret thatcher.


the 3 ranges of so/sx:

the so/sx version is what I call lightside (soc as unquestioned dictator, just as in warmside so/sp), and on the other end is the darkside (soc as chairman, sx as vice chairman who sleeps with the chairman). and the midrange, that lovely muddy area in between where soc is the boss but sx at least has its own corner office.

lightsiders vs darksiders is almost like a phobic/counterphobic split in attitude. the lightside is engaging, ingratiating even, and is the closest to what has become the stereotype for so/sx. unmistakably friendly, amusing, eager to attend to others in a personal, customized way. also hesitant or unwilling to upset the delicate chemistry or harmony of individual or group dynamics, since soc cohesion is at a premium. some famous lightsiders: mister rogers, steve carrell, george foreman, ben affleck, zach braff, michael jackson, and bill clinton.

darksiders on the other hand seem eager to prove their soc isn't in full control, so they typically test the boundaries of traditional soc values. maybe knee-jerk reactions against sheepish herd behavior, group mentalities, or warmside strategies for making connections. they aren't any less healthy by definition, but can seem that way due to their darker, more confrontational manner. they use highly customized interactive tactics like all so/sx's, but in a more uncompromising "keeping it real" way, owing to the active tension between "good" soc and "bad" sx. some examples are woody harrelson, frank zappa, jack nicholson, lauryn hill, judy garland, chris rock, eminem, george carlin, andy warhol.

midrange so/sx's have a less pre-committed way of dealing with people, and therefore seem to express the mercurial qualities of the so/sx nature more than the others. I used to call it the "grey" range since it made me think of dusky unreadability, or manipulation through inscrutability. midrange so/sx's seem especially averse to being predictable, preferring the license to adapt whatever attitude the situation requires. until those conditions are clear they default to a kind of seeming indifference or nonchalance (a stark contrast to the sociably upfront quality of their cordial so/sp cousins). some examples of this pliant, laid back range of so/sx are hugh laurie, gene simmons, brad pitt, howard stern, hugh grant, shaquille o'neal, and garfield the cat.


the 3 ranges of sx/so:

fireside sx/so - strong sx, weak soc and weaker sp. pulls from sp/sx shadow to intensify sx. exhibitionism, wild abandon, most 'on fire' of all stacks or stack ranges.

flirter sx/so - strong sx, moderate soc, weak sp. highly sociable and extroverted per type, flirtatious interaction style, more coy than firesiders but more risque than coolsiders.

coolside sx/so - strong sx, strong soc, weak sp. pulls from so/sp secondary, political activist streak, 'cooled' by soc with some intellectual reserve, channels sx into social causes.
 

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You dont pass me as a sexual 7, don't ask me for evidence, my Ne doesn't have it. You have a cerebreal air about you, in a 6ish kind of manner? Almost like a 6w7, but since I don't know you and your motives and etc and I wouldn't disrespect your thinking of you believing you're a 7, I would feel like the SP energy you carry would emphasis your six wing.
I think she is either 7w6 Sx/Sp or 6w7 Sp/Sx, but I definitely lean the latter.

I always felt like to makes more sense to look as instincts as an independent variable and not applied to your enneagram, because lets face it, enneagram is a slippery slope.
I can understand the frustration with the subjective, slippery slope which is the Enneagram, but I've found subtype theory (combining instincts and core type) is beneficial for a few reasons
1) it can make things a lot more clear and less slippery because you get 27 distinct temperaments and can usually narrow it down considerably
2) the instincts can manifest in so many different ways. for instance, the Sexual instinct can be more obsessed with one person, romantic, star-crossed lovers-y, or more lustful, hedonistic, "sew your wild oats".

So I hope this helps.
Originally from typewatchenneagram.blogspot.com
respectfully, I'm really not a fan of typewatch. they are a giant cult who worship their mistyped 6w5 of a cult leader Sniper and have virtually zero evidence to back up any of their claims.
 

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You dont pass me as a sexual 7, don't ask me for evidence, my Ne doesn't have it. You have a cerebreal air about you, in a 6ish kind of manner? Almost like a 6w7, but since I don't know you and your motives and etc and I wouldn't disrespect your thinking of you believing you're a 7, I would feel like the SP energy you carry would emphasis your six wing.

I always felt like to makes more sense to look as instincts as an independent variable and not applied to your enneagram, because lets face it, enneagram is a slippery slope. So I hope this helps.
No worries! I'm not the type to take offense or feel disrespected easily! :tongue:
I'm fairly laid-back in that regard.

I honestly welcome introspection and perceptive feedback. :)
My Type 9 husband listens to me prattle on about these ideas, and I read him the Enneagram books, but sometimes he can lack the intensely analytical and detailed responses I crave. So, finding Personality Cafe has been quite exciting. I'm the type of person where not much is off limits (as far as analyzing and observing from all angles);; if you touch on a nerve, I'll let you know.

I don't know if I would go so far as to call myself "cerebral" (that conjures up Enneagram Type 5's and MBTI "T" members);; but I would say I am intensely analytical. I have been told by friends (and this is a direct quote): "you think an awful lot".
I assume this is what you are touching on?

I had been more inclined to take the instinctual variants as standalone descriptions (apart from Enneagram Type), similar to you. When I do this, (if you look at the results from my instinctual variant test - - shout out to @Swordsman of Mana for making it!) I get some variation of a near tie between the Self-Preservation instinct, and the Sexual instinct (Social is always in the dust - - I really should pay more attention to it at some point :laughing:).

Thinking about the instinctual variants as stand-alone variables - - I don't necessarily think I'm all that intense. But I've been told that I am "intense" (that exact word) by multiple people throughout my life. I always found this odd. It's not something I necessarily attributed to myself - - & I honestly don't see how I'm so intense, but if enough people mention it to you (unprovoked);; I'm guessing there is some truth to it. :)

It might be that I'm stereotyping SX-dom's, as cage-fighting, drug abusing, adrenaline junkies. I'm not the type to ride "big" roller-coasters, I hate haunted houses, and I still cry when I get immunizations. But I guess emotionally and mentally is where people say I'm intense. Maybe that's just an MBTI "N" intense vs. an "S" intense? (I apologize if my MBTI talk is caveman-esque;; if you can tell, I'm still infantile in that particular subject matter).

Somehow, everyone on PerC has typed me as either a SX or SO (you would be the first to type me as an SP). It's all rather giving me a headache. Ha Ha! It's quite dizzying. I typed myself as an SP, because, well - - I relate to those issues! You can see it all on the Instinctual Variant questionnaire I posted near the bottom of page 1 of this forum thread.

If I take the Enneagram type into account along with the instinctual variant types, I relate heavily to SX type 7 and SP type 6 (way to go Swordsman of Mana! I'm actually quite impressed with your accuracy. .. more on that later). Thus increases my confusion. Round and round we go! You would think your wing type would be the same instinctual variant! (Hence my creating of this thread, and complaint about instinctual variants in general;; they're giving me a lot of grief)

Of the descriptions you pulled up, I relate the most to this one:

sp/sx decadent (strong sx) - sp at its most saturated with sx; self-attending ways are offset by a wilder outgoing streak, reaching outside themselves then pulling back. noticable 'sx-y' quality, often enough to pass for sx first.
quote: "what is my life, without the things I love?"
pulls from: sx/so, to enhance sx
role: the sensualist, the hedonist
exemplars: david beckham, sarah mclachlan, dido, rachael ray, george harrison, maureen dowd
fictional from star wars: lando calrissian
Which is similar to how I typed my instinctual variants to begin with.
 

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if you are a 7, I think you are Sx/Sp. if you are a 6, I think you are Sp/Sx (definitely not a Sexual 6 or Self Preservation 7)
I'm - -honestly- - quite impressed that you knew this Swordsman of Mana.. . You're spot on! (if I know myself, and I think I do!). :)

I tend to consider myself difficult to read. It's not that I wear a mask;; it's just that I think I come across either very happy-go-lucky and funny or shy and quiet (I have a very "on" "off" quality - - I cannot pick and choose when it turns on;; it's very environmentally determined, much like a comedian feeds off their audiences energy). Like a duck treading water, most individuals are so distracted by the serenity above water, that they fail to see all the energy that goes into the process beneath the surface (webbed feet a-paddling;; if I were a duck that is :tongue:). I guess many individuals must take things at face-value.

Anyways. I relate to type 7w6 and 6w7 descriptions about an equal amount.
It's not that I detest being a Type 6 (I have nothing against them;;).

It's just that, I don't relate to Type 6 descriptions hardly at all. There are pieces of Type 6 I can relate to, but the core descriptions of Type 6 sound nothing like me. Unless all Type 6 descriptions are slanted towards 6w5's - - because the core descriptions are seriously not relatable to my life motivations. Whereas, Type 7 has pieces I cannot relate to, but I relate to the core description overall much better. As I mentioned before, I read the Type 6 descriptions (from Personality Cafe and other places) to my husband, and he laughed - - it really does not describe me.

Sometimes I feel different from my Type 7 friends, but most are SO/SX, so maybe this accounts for some of the differences? They more noticeably try to escape through activity (possibly MBTI "S" vs. "N"?), and seem to think a bit less than me (and be much less introspective;; something I'm almost addicted to). One of my majors in college was Psychology I was so interested in interpersonal and emotional matters (the other was Art).

Othertimes, I wonder if my dysfunctional family upbringing complicated things? I don't know if Type 6's can be independent, but my 6w5 sister played the whole "us vs. them" game with my parents (the authority figures), and I was the "scapegoat" who was independent (I also got pushed into the "scapegoat" role, because I was obsessed with the truth; "Guys! The emperor's not wearing any pants! This situation is messed up! Listen to me!"). My sister always went along with the lies and aligned herself with the "authority figures" (aka our parents). She always seemed to magically draw in "help" (sometimes I wished I knew her secret, because being alone always as a child was hard sometimes - - though that is the way I preferred it, being independent);; whether it be teachers, my parents, or other adults and children (she thinks she's independent, I scoff at this idea). I always handled things by myself. I had a few close friends, and a few male friends that would step-up and help me out in a crisis (i.e. My parents just hit me, what do I do? where do I go?). Other than that, I was a bit of an independent loner (not by choice, I was just miserable in that house).

There doesn't seem to be much discussion on how adversity can change and impact a person's Enneagram type. My sister mostly let that adversity destroy her;; somehow, I harnessed it to strengthen myself and grow (though I did leave with some struggles with social anxiety and emotion management;; but most people who hear the long, drawn-out story of my past always respond with: "Why are you not more messed up?!". . ."Thanks?" lol). Lots of hardwork and perseverance, a positive attitude, and never letting go of the truth (I used the truth like a North Star to guide myself out of that hell hole).

Anyways (this is a bit jumbled and disorganized;; I was not sure the best way to present this information, I assumed it would all come together - - sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't). *shrug*

I assumed my analytical streak comes from a strong arrow to Type 5 (I subscribe to the ideation that people have a stronger pull towards one arrow over the other for both good and bad). I relate to this description (you might be interested in this @Superfluous ):

Seven’s Connection to Five

* The connection to Five brings Sevens sobriety, perspective and the power to integrate and internalize their experience – to digest what they have eaten.

* Helps Sevens become calm and detached, to see the Big Picture.

* More willing to accept the painful aspects of their experience; more likely to seek and find their own depths.

* An introverted need to spend time alone; may do this ritually or periodically.

* Sevens can also be bookish; may have distinct intellectual interests or embark on a search for philosophical wisdom.

* Some Fiveish Sevens have an almost aesthetic distaste for excess. They could, for instance, be offended by how much something costs.

* While Sevens tend to be naturally expansive and generous, they can have an incongruous cheap streak. Could be frugal and then go on spending sprees.

* The connection to Five supports escapism, stinginess and depressive tendencies.

* Unhealthy Sevens will check themselves out of difficult situations, withdrawing into their minds like a Five. Intellectualize their feelings out of existence.

* May detach from people and commitments with alarming speed.

* Defensive vanishing acts; can skate away when things get tough.

* Prone to withdrawn depressions, especially as part of a cycle of highs and lows.

* May have trouble handling and expressing their emotions or be emotionally dry beneath their high spirits.

* More likely to have mental addictions – to information, ideas, fantasies. Defensively retreat into abstraction.

- See more at: Fine Distinctions: Type Sevens | Center for Spiritual Resources
This is a bit of a mess, tease out what you can from it. I'm going to post, re-read, and fill in any gaps.
 

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& if it helps @Superfluous & @Swordsman of Mana ,

I score about 50/50 on both the Extroverted vs Introverted and Perceiving vs. Judging attributes of MBTI. I went with ENFP, because those descriptions fit me the best (INFP was too introverted - - a closer introverted fit was INFJ). The NF traits are the strongest and clearest in me. I also went with ENFP, because I didn't want to add "xNFx" to my signature;; "ENFP" looks so much better, Ha Ha! :laughing:

But I figure some of my stronger introverted tendencies (depending on how you're using the word) could also account for some of my differences from some Type 7 descriptions.

I have no justifications for how to adjust for Type 6, because the description does just not fit me. They are entirely too paranoid, suspicious, anxious - - I'm not constantly searching for security. I do not see the world as a dangerous place. & I'm not nearly as anxious as a Type 6 (I can be quite laid-back and down-to-earth, in fact). Sometimes I think I'm anxious, but then I hang out with a Type 6 for a day (neigh, an hour!) and I think: "Man! These people are anxious!" (lol). It just seems constant and incessant (they're always worrying whether they're saying it or thinking it, or being hyper-vigilant!);; I just cannot relate to that. I'm always the calm one around the Type 6's I know (I calm them down). Even some of the type 6w5's that don't noticeably look anxious, I know a lot of them are taking anxiety medication (the people I know) - - they just don't show it as much to others (and the people I'm discussing, I'm not as much in their "inner circle of trust").
 

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& if it helps @Superfluous & @Swordsman of Mana ,

I score about 50/50 on both the Extroverted vs Introverted and Perceiving vs. Judging attributes of MBTI. I went with ENFP, because those descriptions fit me the best (INFP was too introverted - - a closer introverted fit was INFJ). The NF traits are the strongest and clearest in me. I also went with ENFP, because I didn't want to add "xNFx" to my signature;; "ENFP" looks so much better, Ha Ha! :laughing:

But I figure some of my stronger introverted tendencies (depending on how you're using the word) could also account for some of my differences from some Type 7 descriptions.

I have no justifications for how to adjust for Type 6, because the description does just not fit me. They are entirely too paranoid, suspicious, anxious - - I'm not constantly searching for security. I do not see the world as a dangerous place. & I'm not nearly as anxious as a Type 6 (I can be quite laid-back and down-to-earth, in fact). Sometimes I think I'm anxious, but then I hang out with a Type 6 for a day (neigh, an hour!) and I think: "Man! These people are anxious!" (lol). It just seems constant and incessant (they're always worrying whether they're saying it or thinking it, or being hyper-vigilant!);; I just cannot relate to that. I'm always the calm one around the Type 6's I know (I calm them down). Even some of the type 6w5's that don't noticeably look anxious, I know a lot of them are taking anxiety medication (the people I know) - - they just don't show it as much to others (and the people I'm discussing, I'm not as much in their "inner circle of trust").
The only thing I would say, before you discard the thought of being a six, is maybe youre SP last in that case? Sx first, and So second? because that leaves the 6 not as anxious and more relaxed and casual, in a sense of being a philantropist, like a two, and artistic as a four, and fun as a 7 - but only truly anxious when intimate. *shrugs*
 

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Well. . .I'm not sure moving the instinctual variants around will help enough. I guess my question would be, can a type 6 not think the world is a dangerous place, not be suspicious, not be paranoid, and not be anxious all the time? I just don't relate to the core issues of type 6. . .that's my problem with it.

I feel like the only reason I got categorized as a 6w7 originally, is because a couple people didn't think I was 7w6 (lol). But maybe there is more to it than that.

I would feel content being an inspirational speaker. . .& I just feel like this is at odds with the Type 6 personality? When I studied Psychology, I wanted my focus to be on the study of happiness. The Type 6 descriptions keep making this sound incongruent. & from the Type 6's I know, they seem a bit. . .I don't know - - not like that. Ha Ha. :)
 
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