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Hi, I'm Billy and I'm an INTJ. I was wondering if there are any INTJs with ADHD. You see I'm an INTJ with ADHD. Any comments?
 

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Hi, I'm Billy and I'm an INTJ. I was wondering if there are any INTJs with ADHD. You see I'm an INTJ with ADHD. Any comments?
Hi Billy,

I could tell you a lot about ADD and ADHD. Unfortunately, I don't really
like to write very long texts. I'm going to try and give you a few points
for you to think about and research further on your own. Also I will write
only ADD to save typing but I always mean both ADD and ADHD.

First and foremost, ADD itself is not a trouble or problem or condition. ADD
is a pretty recent invention dating back to early 1900. Basically it's just a
description of a type of personality and behavior. People are different, here
I see people use many types of personality classifications or sociotypes or
whatever. And the point here is about self discovery and not try to determine
which type is best.

I am in my early 30s so I can tell you that when I was a child, ADD was still
a very very new thing in the mental health community. Ritalin already existed
back then but it was most often very poorly regulated and even used as a
diagnostic tool. If Ritalin got you better than it must imply that you have ADD.
All this is horse shit or course as Ritalin will make anyone better. But better how?

Our current evolutionary stage, Homo sapiens sapiens, has been around for just
about 200,000 years now. And for about 197,000 of those years the vast majority
of humans were free, roaming, hunting, and everything else. And then in a matter
of only 3000 years, barely 1.5% of our existence, we have come to expect of
everyone to be able to sit in a fucking classroom listening to a boring teacher who
has to repeat 10 times for the slower ones to understand what could have been
understood the first time. Is that normal? Is that natural? I do not believe so.

I have had 4 contradictory diagnostics about my possible ADD in my life. That
pushed me to do a lot of research. I started reading as much as I could on the
subject. Meeting with specialists and trying to home in on the 'problem'. And for
a time I actually believed I had ADD, even though to this day I still do not believe
that ADD is a real condition. Anyways, I noticed that there is a very striking
similarity between giftedness and ADD. I have had previously been tested by a
team of 'ADD' specialists and what I figured out I actually went through was nothing
but a very thorough IQ test. The results of which were not disclosed to me at the
time of the test. Let's just say that I scored way above the top 2%. That was
still puzzling because the results I got in school were far below what could be expected
of someone with that level of giftedness.

I just couldn't pay attention in class because I'm able to process information in a
quicker and wider way than average. Meaning that while normal people are usually
able to concentrate on only one thing, my brain is always wide open to every stimuli
around. The sounds of the street, the birds, the clock, the pencils on paper, the smells
the colors, the shapes. Everything that gets picked up by one of my senses is always
automatically analyzed. Problem is I'm not omniscient and I do miss stuff, like when the
teacher ends repeating the last notion and begins a new one, it can take me some time
to tune back in. Homework, what a stupid choir... Always the same thing, the first of the
problems are too easy so I jump to the last, more difficult ones, but I still manage to get
the answer from memory or simple logical deductions. That's my flaw. Because at the exam
often the teacher will ask me to show my work and often that's kinda impossible. I just see
the problem on paper, and the answer pops up in my head. Also most often there are more
points attributed to the reasoning than the answer in the test.

Everything that is made for everybody, like schools, are designed by and for average people.
If you are too low below average, you will have problems navigating trough the system. But
if you are too above the average, the problems you will encounter will be strikingly similar in
a way. It is not realist at all to expect all children to be the same and be able to follow the
standard education and career path. And people begin to realize that now.

ADD is not a problem. Seeing it as a problem is a problem. I am different, you are different,
but that only means that we each have to find our own way, nothing more, nothing less.
Even with my so called 'ADD' symptoms I have been able to reach high level jobs very quickly
and easily. The key is to discover yourself and come to terms with both your abilities and your
weaknesses. Just like everybody else does at one point or the other. And then find a path that
is most suitable for you. For me it was sales. Mostly because this domain is pretty much all
about ends and very little about means.

Ironically, my current antidepressant cocktail does include a dose of Concerta, which is slow
release Ritalin. It does help me getting trough whatever paperwork type of shit I might have
to do. But to me it's just like a vitamin. Nothing more. As I have said, even non-ADD typed
student will often ask their Doctor for a short term supply of Ritalin for the exams and it is
a known fact that often Doctors will oblige instead of letting students risk the black market
because they know it's both safe and effective. Although not for everyone...

If you're under 6 feet tall you usually don't become a NBA player. But than you can fit
comfortably in a Porsche Boxster! That's the best analogy I got for ADD. Just don't dream
of becoming an accountant and you should be fine lol! If you want to talk my mailbox is
always open
 
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I try my best to deal with my ADHD everyday. I take the Daytrana patch. At first, they had me on 20 mg of it then I went on 10 mg to stabilize my blood sugar. The 20 mg patch was messing with my hypoglycemia and that was no good. So Melissa Gentry tried me on the 10 mg patch and it worked out swimmingly.
 

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Interesting article about prescribing medication and diagnosing ADHD.
SPIEGEL: Experts speak of 5.4 million American children who display the symptoms typical of ADHD. Are you saying that this mental disorder is just an invention?
Kagan: That's correct; it is an invention. Every child who's not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: "It's ADHD; here's Ritalin." In fact, 90 percent of these 5.4 million kids don't have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they'll make the corresponding diagnosis.
Child Psychologist Jerome Kagan on Overprescibing Drugs to Children - SPIEGEL ONLINE

When I was younger I would get bored with things very rapidly and want to move on to the next thing. Maybe that would be called ADHD today but it hasn't really caused me a problem.
 

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ADHD can be incredibly disabling. People who think it's an invention by Big Pharma to sell Ritalin, or sheer ''laziness',' likely haven't experienced how truly god awful it can be.

I have a theory that ADHD manifests in S-types as hyperactivity and N-types as innattentiveness [I'm innattentive subtype]. Haven't really thought about how to explain the combined type, though.
 

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ADHD can be incredibly disabling. People who think it's an invention by Big Pharma to sell Ritalin, or sheer ''laziness',' likely haven't experienced how truly god awful it can be.

I have a theory that ADHD manifests in S-types as hyperactivity and N-types as innattentiveness [I'm innattentive subtype]. Haven't really thought about how to explain the combined type, though.
I don't know that I agree that it is an invention, just over diagnosed as Dr. Kagan who has been doing this for 50 years and is very respected was saying.

For example, I took care of a girl with ADHD once for about a week and she forgot her meds. First day when we got her she was horrible, she was all over the place. Then she started asking for coffee and digging out candy right before bed, said her parents let her. We nixed that. She got a good night's sleep, then wanted coffee and donuts in the morning and started digging in her candy bag again. We nixed that, and kept her away from most of the sugar and caffeine for the week. She was better than our kids the rest of the week, no trouble concentrating...from what I could see it was more what she was allowed to eat and do than it was an actual condition for her. The Dr didn't bother to do any in depth testing, he just listened to the symptoms and prescribed meds.
 

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Oh yeah, I hate it when parents can't raise their kids properly and the kid ends up shouldering it. I was talking about this with someone else earlier, actually- they knew someone who fed their toddler[!] coffee[!!!] and what not, then wondered why the kid had emotional meltdowns all the time. I said ''watch that kid get diagnosed with ADHD''.

I think the problem is simultaneously overdiagnosis and underdiagnosis - kids like the ones you describe are often diagnosed with a disorder they don't have; however, kids with real cognitive issues often fly under the radar and spend their entire lives not knowing they have a legit disability they can be treated for. That happened to me- I wasn't properly diagnosed until I was 24.

People had suspicions about me since the 2nd grade, but my parents always dismissed it because of my quiet, bookwormy nature. If I'd been treated when it was first suspected my life would have been 585946x easier.
 

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ADHD can be incredibly disabling. People who think it's an invention by Big Pharma to sell Ritalin, or sheer ''laziness',' likely haven't experienced how truly god awful it can be.
You sure have not read my first post in this thread. ADHD is not disabling.
Wanting to do something you are not suited for is disabling. If you can't
lift a pint of milk are you gonna try and work as a lumber jack??????????
Of course not, that would be stupid. ADD or ADHD is not a disability. You
can keep believing that if it makes you feel any better but it is not.
 

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You sure have not read my first post in this thread. ADHD is not disabling.
Wanting to do something you are not suited for is disabling. If you can't
lift a pint of milk are you gonna try and work as a lumber jack??????????
Of course not, that would be stupid. ADD or ADHD is not a disability. You
can keep believing that if it makes you feel any better but it is not.
Please, tell me more about my own disability. I'm fascinated. I suppose you'll tell me I'm not physically disabled either, just ''not suited for walking''.

I'm not suited to flying a plane. Am I disabled in that case, then? I think you need to work on your definition here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability
 

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Please, tell me more about my own disability
Nevermind, you won't get it. I'm done wasting time on your pathetic self.
If you think that quoting Wikipedia makes you look informed you are so
mistaken. Go on and be disabled as much as you want, seems that you
actually like it.
 

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Nevermind, you won't get it. I'm done wasting time on your pathetic self.
If you think that quoting Wikipedia makes you look informed you are so
mistaken. Go on and be disabled as much as you want, seems that you
actually like it.
I'll take a theory that is generally endorsed by disability organizations and has some effect on public policy re: disabled people over someone acting belligerent on an internet forum.

By the way- by your own ''logic'', I'm disabled. I want to be able to concentrate, but I can't [without medication]. Therefore, I'm ''not suited'' for it. Therefore, disabled. Hahah.

Bye.
 
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