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The other night I was thinking about Enneagram instincts (sp/sx/so) and made a few connections between some different mental states and behavioral patterns, my cognitive functions, and my instincts.

I thought I’d share to see if anyone has made any similar associations. I’d be particularly interested to see what INTJs with different instinctual stackings and functional development have to say. It’ll be fun to see if we can pick apart any meta-patterns.

So I’m an INTJ (8w9) sp/sx. My sp instinct manifests in a couple ways. I’m pretty heavy on boundaries. People getting into my space or trying to take my stuff without asking pisses me off (my brother is guilty of this and often gets yelled at). I’ve got a heavy “don’t mess with me and I won’t mess with you” mindset, backed up with a lot of sheer willpower. If it comes down to it, I’m willing to bare down and bulldoze some obstacles (though that’s more of an 8 thing). I’m also very much an individual, and don’t like attempts to compromise that. I prioritize myself (and a few others) over the communal mindset of Fe. It’s a sort of rational, individualistic separation. All of those are things that I associate with my Te (backed by a little bit of Fi).

On the other hand, my Ni is always searching for patterns, connections, symbols, and ideals. I have a very strong, intense set of ambitions and ideals that I can feel a part of me reaching for. I associate that projection *out* (to the future) and connection with some sort of symbolic ideal with Ni, and the intensity of it with sx. Often those connections are made in tandem with images either mental or something I’m looking at. All of that leads to a strong aesthetic inclination, so I suppose a little Se is involved there as well.

This is obviously not to say that those are the only things my functions are involved in doing, just some connections I made between them and my instincts.

Other INTJs (or other types as well I guess), what do you think? I know there was a thread recently about how many of us here are sx, so how do you see affecting you?
 

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My experience of soc definitely integrates Ni+Te or Ni+Te+Fi. Ni or Ni/Fi create global visions that often have implications for other people or give me insights into how interactions between people function, Te gives me a way to rationalize and apply them broadly through practical and in my case rather impersonal means.

sx, as secondary, is very Ni+Fi+Se for me. It's more visible when I'm comfortable and in a stream-of-consciousness kind of mental space.

I remember a quote about soc/sx types being impractical but appearing practical because our scattered energy enables us to keep our bases covered. I would imagine that would resonate with other INTJ soc/sx people as well as it did me. Easy to see how that trait might express through Ni-Te.
 

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I don't think I can do as much deep analysis into this as others, but here's what I got.

I'm 5w4 sp/sx. I easily see sp's effect in my life. I moved to the country to get away from neighbors everywhere, I have little nooks in my house which I'm really attached to (like where I'm sitting right now - my reading nook), and I can definitely tell that my physical needs really get a lot of attention when I'm in the grip of Se. Otherwise, I'm just very careful with my resources and very concerned with having "enough" (sp issue or 5 issue, I don't know).

When I evaluate myself through my MBTI, I easily see the Ni + Te and I think I can easily access Fi when needed. I am definitely in touch with my feelings and values.

Although I related grip Se to sp/type 5 characteristics, I think the way this manifests the most is when I'm stressed, apparently I go to 7. additionally, I think that Se type characteristics come out, too. However, I still tend toward the negative effects in the "head" in that my thoughts start going toward tho worrying side, my thoughts seem less clear, directing my attention is a bit harder and so on.

I don't know if anything I've said makes sense. I don't really know if it's wise to mix MBTI and Enneagram, but it's my honest effort. I think my tritype is 541.
 

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My sp/sx/so instinctual order works best to show I am an (unconventionally) introverted person.

You will often hear that cp 6s are not easy to describe, as someone of this type is, for the most part, wrapped up in a riddle of opposing attributes. My tritype is 6w5 (strong wing influence) 8w9 3w4, so for me, the description of the 683 ('the debater', in a justice fighter sense) is a solid fit. They say this tritype, when paired with social instinct first, makes for a suited 'special forces' warrior - hence the 'justice fighter' nick as opposed to my being more laid back and lower in aggressiveness (as well as more neutral when the social factor is present) because I have so in the blindspot.

The word that best describes me is a 'skeptic'. I am questioning, reactive and opinionated, which are qualities I attribute to (Ni and) Te (Ni certainly helps with figuring out the likely strength of my retroact; as Se is still too underdeveloped for my liking, the fact I am challenging one minute, only to concede the next could create some trouble if not for the efficient superpower of leading introverted intuition).



For the most part, sp/sx makes me appear like a five (with the exception of the first time I took the enneagram test and got the right result, I have been consistently typed an unhealthy five sp/sx). I am incredibly detached from the outside world and lack any seemingly decent social skill (at first, because I simply wouldn't find the motivation to care enough for useless interaction with people, and then because I slowly accumulated some reserves and became unnerved by them), which makes others think I am autistic - something I've seen type fives mistaken for (which, if you ask me, is ridiculous).

However, introverted as I am and deeply anxious, I am not very likely to back down from confrontation (I have 8w9 in my stack). This is why I like debates and insist on solving an issue through argument - once I get started, it's hard to slow me down (this annoys my 7w6 sx/so sister to no end). I only have an unconventional style of carrying out a dispute because I insist on hearing and understanding an opponent's side and justifications of argument (all time relative) in order to feel 'safe' in my decision of holding my position (this is why I can be confrontational and nice at the same time - thank you, constant doubts).

Type sixes are also described as sensitive people, so I guess that would be Fi (I certainly lack good Fe, unless pointing out people's mistakes to their face counts as caring for them, but they don't seem to apprectiate it, so I will cross that out).

To recapitulate, I would say the association between mbti and enneagram may go like this for my tritype: 6's provocative and questioning qualities for (Te+Ni), 3's focus and efficiency for (Ni+Te+Se) and 8's confrontational and protective defense strategy for (Te+Fi+Se), but I am hardly an expert and I could be aberrant.
 

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Personally, I have dropped my use of the MBTI and Enneagram for self-analysis a few months ago after using them rather heavily for roughly 5 years. I largely use the labels "INTJ" and "5w4 Sx/So" in discussions directly pertaining to these, and to assist those who use these schools of thought in broadly capturing my perspective. Diving further into the discipline of psychology has made me irrevocably switch to the Five Factor Model as my primary tool and lens.
 

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My scores.

 

Sp/sx 594 tritype aka "triple withdrawn" and "contemplative".

Big 5:

Openness - 96
Conscientiousness - 87
Extraversion - 11
Agreeableness - 67
Neuroticism - 8



My behaviour.

 


I am more curious than anything. I spend most of my time learning, and when presented with an argument, I am generally not interested in countering/debating it. Instead, if it is a novel one, I am very interested in understanding it. If I have encountered it before and a quick analysis reveals no new data, I will simply ignore it. In a social setting, this tends to translate to a shrug and a neutral smile. Unless I am asking questions to learn something, I tend not to talk much. Instead, I write.

My "trigger" is new information on a topic I am interested in. It is one of very few things that can reliably pull me out of my type 5 "cave", and when I meet someone with lots of new data, I can spend a long time asking questions to learn more, and then even more time in my "cave" to do background research. Once I feel that my research on a particular topic/argument reaches a point of saturation, I tend to move on to the next one. If new information is presented later, I will return to a previous topic.

I do not enjoy sharing from a pure teaching standpoint however. If the other party is simply receiving and not there to add new data, I tend to leave. I did a brief stint teaching a long time ago, and quickly realised it was not my scene.

I am not sure why I accumulate data. It feels rewarding in and of itself. Sometimes I have a specific goal, such as learning language Z so as to move to country X, but not always.

Although I am an sp 5, I tend not to accumulate things, or safe spots. I have been moving around the world for over a decade, all my possessions in a rucksack and staying in rented accommodation for 1-2 years at a time. I suppose it is possible that my low neuroticism helps me take things as they come.

As far as self-preservation tendencies go, I look for homes in quiet, safe spots away from the hustle and bustle of life, and when I make social excursions, I tend to have a retreat route or five mapped out in advance, metaphorically speaking. That ties on to my avoidant attachment style as well. I am very reluctant to get into a relationship I cannot easily leave, and such contingency planning is virtually always involved. Falling in love happens to other people.

I do not really have an end goal for anything I do. Usually there are short and medium term goals. I do not ask myself why I need to know X if I feel fascinated by it. The feeling itself is enough. Although my focus is narrow when pursuing a particular topic, the sheer number of topics I accumulate information on over time makes me appear less autistic than could otherwise perhaps be the case. I also have decent social graces when I want to, and can generally get along with anyone. I simply do not socialise much, and will often spend weeks with zero human interaction. I make sure I do not have to interact unless I want to.

I like vipassana (silent meditation), and have been to many such retreats. They have almost everything I want. But the one thing that always leads me to not decide to stay for good is my desire for knowledge. I want to know more, make new discoveries, learn novel concepts and ideas.

 

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I'm type 5w4 sp, not really sure about the order of my other two instincts, both of them seem fairly weak to me. My tritype, if you believe in that, is probably 594.

Sp 5 has been described by Beatrice Chestnut as "The Castle", probably the most introverted Enneagram sub-type. What that means is that I'm, obviously, very introverted, and I have a significant amount of difficulty letting people get close to me personally. I also prioritize my own needs before other people's a lot sometimes, which can make me appear rather selfish, but it's in fact only a defense mechanism. My style of attachment tends to be dismissive–avoidant, which means that I really dislike depending on others, or having others depending on me. Other than that, I think I can relate a lot to what @Acataleptic wrote, I don't really have any particular goals that I actively pursue, but rather just a "feeling" for things.
 
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