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LOL, that is basically about 3/4 of my job (if not more). There's reasons for my position (someone needs to be the checks and balances and keep track of the hundreds of things flying around each day and make sure everyone else is actually doing their jobs), and basically that's my role. It actually fits my ADD and work styles pretty well which is why I've stuck with it - I don't hate what I do, and while I have ZERO passion for it, I don't hate it, either, even a few years into it. It plays to my strengths and works well with my weaknesses, although the loss of our previously held flexibility is pissing me off, the work itself is going well.
Haha well I guess it's different if it makes sense, esp for your role. Someones gotta make sure things are happening and accountable sometimes.

Here's an example of what happens to me:
Doctor: Call Surgeon and see what his availability is for [procedure]

Me: Surgeon, what blocks do you have open for [procedure]
Surgeon: who is it for?
Me: unknown, I am just calling to see if the scheduling will even work out
Surgeon: *requests more details that are irrelevant as far as the timing of the procedure*
Me: I literally don't have any details outside of what Doctor needs done and needing to know what your schedule is.
Surgeon: Can you call Doctor and ask *list of irrelevant doctor questions* and call me back?
Me: *snappy* SURGEON'S FIRST NAME. Maybe you need to call Doctor yourself because last time I did this, I asked the questions for you, called you back, and then you had more doctor questions that I am unqualified to answer. It'll be faster if you call him directly.
Surgeon: *laughs uncomfortably* umm ok yeah I'll get to him as soon as I can....

Side note: Surgeon and I get along well. We have a working relationship that allows me to be extra direct when he needs it.
 

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I work for myself from home and virtually everyone asks, but dont you get lonely? Ive always felt a bit weird in saying no, because it appears from the weight of receiving the same question that i should be. That was before i found out im INTJ, now i know why im comfortable by myself in probably the ultimate lone wolf job.

That said, my wife had a PC in my office and would start chatting about the kids, their school, their friends, nasty kids - lots about the nasty kids! I knew i had to listen or eventually (might take days or weeks) an emotional outburst of epic proportions will be headed my way. Problem being she'd pause just long enough for me to re-enter my internal thought processes and boom she starts up again. Its very tiring going in and being bounced out of our thoughts endlessly, and destroys productivity. I dont know about others but takes me a little bit of time to get back into the groove - the double check of, now where was i.
 

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I just cannot work with others. It's near impossible for me. I don't consider my (new) business partner an "other". He is a "same". lol. Turi's my best friend and I can work fine with him. I just can't work with ... the masses.

(I, too, work from home, own my own business, all of that good stuff)
 

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@Coonsy I thought I was an ENTP, but I'm starting to think INTJ. and one of the reasons why is that I just cannot tolerate people breaking rules. I can't explain it, because I myself will sometimes break rules if I am against the rule. I'll find ways to get around the rule or whatever. But, I don't know. Perhaps I should just give some examples.

at one of my jobs (a retail store), there is an elevator with a door on two sides. One side is for getting on and the other side is for getting off. It is set up that way so people don't have to turn their carts around on the elevator. the exit side of the elevator doesn't have a button on it to call the elevator. Yet people try rushing in through the exit door or forcing past everyone on the entrance side...

I can't stand when people put items in the wrong spot. I'm not talking about taking down an item, walking halfway across the store, and then changing their minds. But not wanting to go back. That doesn't bother me so much. (unless the item is dairy, or some other food that requires refrigeration). I mean if everyone put things in the right spot, I would have little to do through my shift. What I can't stand is when someone takes something off the shelf, looks at it, decides they don't want it, and then puts it back in a random spot. Their feet haven't even moved and they can't put the item right back where they got it????

I don't know. I'll break rules if they interfere with my code. But then I get peeved when people break rules just out of stupidity. I guess...

There are many other examples I could give, but I can't think of them at the moment.

Oh! in the store's parking garage. you drive up to the second level, make a right and then another right. you're driving straight and their are parking spots on your right and left. there is this space on the inner corner when you reach the end and have to make a right turn. It isn't a parking space, it has a curve painted around it and "no parking" written on it. I imagine it is there so people can easily make a right turn there without risk I park in the space next to it so I don't get parked next to. people push their baskets into that space because where else would you put your baskets. but inevitably, someone will park their vehicle right in that space.
I mean a part of me can appreciate the breaking rules for their benefit, but... I just can't.

Or when I was working at a tire shop at a Sam's Club. the tire shop was on side the building with a narrow one way road wrapping around the building to get to it. semi trucks and so forth had to drive through there. but people would come down that road the wrong way (flying), they would park their vehicles in the middle of that road, park their vehicles in front of our doors blocking us in, park in the firelane that was right outside the shop. Except when they blocked the road and caused trouble, no harm was done by them driving the wrong way and parking in the wrong place, but it just irked me beyond what is healthy.


anyways, I'm leaning back towards INTJ rather than an ENTP. INTJ is supposed to be the 4th most "rule conscious" and ENTP is like the 2nd least "rule conscious". based on descriptions of INTJ and ENTP... I think I'm far too "rule conscious" to be an ENTP. lol.
I'll break rules with the best of them, and I'll be more devious about it when I do. Like when they said I couldn't wear earphones in the shop, I bought a pair of earphones that looked like earplugs so I could listen to my audiobooks. I also bought a speaker to put in my breast pocket to listen to music. But still get far too irritated by the silly and stupid breaking of rules.
 

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touchy-feely one-on-ones with a manager. molestation.

idk, maybe to someone else that would seem like minimization. all i can say is, i speak for myself. you can hit people who get in your physical stuff, or at least make the motions of get the fuck off. when they think a position of 'power' entitles them to psychological access you can set boundaries too. but i find it's much harder to scrape my outrage at the offence from my mind.
 

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touchy-feely one-on-ones with a manager. molestation.

idk, maybe to someone else that would seem like minimization. all i can say is, i speak for myself. you can hit people who get in your physical stuff, or at least make the motions of get the fuck off. when they think a position of 'power' entitles them to psychological access you can set boundaries too. but i find it's much harder to scrape my outrage at the offence from my mind.
^ So much this. My new supervisor (#8 !!!) is an alien from another planet and she's physically AND emotionally touchy-feely. Like... GTFO of my personal space and STOP TOUCHING ME. It's not office-inappropriate in any way, but just... yukkkkkk blaaaaah NO. I have been giving her the "will you just please get to the point and then get the f**k out of my office" look, but it's not working.

I want my previous supervisor (INTJ; #7) back.
 

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So I realized something today at work - I really already knew this about myself, but today it just really came to light. I like to think I'm pretty tolerant and flexible about a variety of things, and while I hold high standards, I do realize mistakes happen, and generally I can be fairly forgiving.

Today it just really came to light, however, that when someone else chooses to head in the wrong direction, does not get permission to do so, and is not authorized to do so, and in doing so, ends up making me look bad, I have absolutely no tolerance for it. None.

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So, in thinking about my reactions to this, and wondering why it got me so upset that I was almost picking up the phone and chewing someone out in a one-way conversation, I realized that it wasn't the scramble, or the mistakes, or even the bad decisions that got me so upset. It was the fact that they are completely and utterly removed from the situation and have no care whatsoever that they make the rest of us look like idiots.

Fellow INTJs, what are some work-related intolerance you may have? I have clearly defined one that, again, I kind of knew about but hadn't really defined.
I'm curious how you knew the person delayed the payment to specifically reduce their workload. Is this someone who is doing the work of four and is juggling a ton of things and simply chose a wrong action? First of all it's impossible to just completely know someone else's intention before their action. The only way you could know for sure is to be them, or to ask them and hope they tell you the truth. If you're super sure it's for the reason to reduce their workload, yet as their supervisor you refuse to help them on that issue, then it still really truly is your responsibility to address that issue and help them to either delegate or cut out some responsibility, INSTEAD of just berating them for one mistake that made you look bad, and assuming they did it on purpose. Because you know what's next? you either fire them or they leave...is that what you want deep down? Be honest. Be a man and acknowledge you want to hire someone else, or that you refuse to see your own faults so are blaming someone else, or whatever else is happening. Managers act faultless more than underlings do, from my experience, yet that is never the case. They are forgiven more easily and have more power and control, but are not necessarily the most honest in a given scenario.

Noone is responsible for how you feel, for instance 'making you look dumb'. Yes there is a heirarchy, but no that does not inherently make you a gazillion times better and smarter. It means you were in the right places at the right time and have the right sex parts and skin color to get advanced titles. I suggest lowering yourself to an honest and humble place to deal with that worker please. You sound like you're ready to make dumb decisions of your own.
 

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^ So much this. My new supervisor (#8 !!!) is an alien from another planet and she's physically AND emotionally touchy-feely. Like... GTFO of my personal space and STOP TOUCHING ME. It's not office-inappropriate in any way, but just... yukkkkkk blaaaaah NO. I have been giving her the "will you just please get to the point and then get the f**k out of my office" look, but it's not working.

I want my previous supervisor (INTJ; #7) back.
This has been happening with a colleague. It makes me nervous + he abbreviates everyone's names. I'm putting it down to naive enthusiasm, but I hate having to be signalling body language like sitting far away on purpose.
 

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touchy-feely one-on-ones with a manager. molestation.

idk, maybe to someone else that would seem like minimization. all i can say is, i speak for myself. you can hit people who get in your physical stuff, or at least make the motions of get the fuck off. when they think a position of 'power' entitles them to psychological access you can set boundaries too. but i find it's much harder to scrape my outrage at the offence from my mind.
How do one-on-ones get touchy-feely? I've had them get informal (it happens all the time with my ESTP manager... fun fact, I have one later today), but I would never call them touchy-feely. Like what exactly does a manager do to make it touchy-feely?
 

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This has been happening with a colleague. It makes me nervous + he abbreviates everyone's names. I'm putting it down to naive enthusiasm, but I hate having to be signalling body language like sitting far away on purpose.
Ugh. There are several in my office that use an abbreviated form of their names, but they've all been working together several years. I will abbreviate only if/when I'm personally invited to do so. So far this has happened with most of them, but not all. There are two holdouts (one is my new boss and the other one is the other woman down the hall).

Interesting side-note: This department has always been extremely male-dominated, but with me coming along, it is starting to become more balanced. Out of nine of us, three are female.

Interesting that you dislike having to use negative body language. I can and will use with it and not really care one way or the other. I tried to use it the other day at a meeting and I'll be damned if the person I did NOT want to sit by came and sat right next to me.
 

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Ugh. There are several in my office that use an abbreviated form of their names, but they've all been working together several years. I will abbreviate only if/when I'm personally invited to do so. So far this has happened with most of them, but not all. There are two holdouts (one is my new boss and the other one is the other woman down the hall).

Interesting side-note: This department has always been extremely male-dominated, but with me coming along, it is starting to become more balanced. Out of nine of us, three are female.

Interesting that you dislike having to use negative body language. I can and will use with it and not really care one way or the other. I tried to use it the other day at a meeting and I'll be damned if the person I did NOT want to sit by came and sat right next to me.
Exactly, you need to be invited to the abbreviated-names-party. At my last job everyone abbreviated their names, so when I complained about mine being abbreviated by someone senior in another team, I wasn't taken seriously. I really think he was belittling me, and the rest of his behavior was consistent with that.

As for negative body language, well I do the folded arms thing but more because it's comfortable. The worst I've done is eat apples at meetings :eek:h: Crunch crunch crunch
 

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I made it clear from Day 1 what my preferred abbreviation is and in fact I had it listed that way on the name plaque outside of my office door. So... there's ZERO question about it.
I like the idea of making noise in a meeting on purpose; unfortunately, the task of taking minutes falls to me and so I really have to pay very close attention. I'm usually very measured and take my seat with little to no fanfare, but if I'm particularly annoyed, I'll toss my office keys onto the table but make it appear as if I'm just being sloppy (as if!).
 

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How do one-on-ones get touchy-feely?
well, less of the touchy - that's very no-no in the culture around here so not much to worry about. but lots of the feely. 'how are you feeeeeeling about being here?' i mean, i can't get much more specific than that. 'now how are you feeeeeeling? how about . . . now?'

that's why i wanted to acknowledge that it is a different thing qualitatively from being actually groped. i can't imagine how stupid a person would have to be in my working world, in this city, to get anywhere near actually touching a person who was reporting to them.

but on that . . . surprised (sorry) by how much discomfort the actual 'touchy' causes to other people. i do have the privilege of a work world where repercussions for setting boundaries would be even stupider than crossing the boundaries in the first place. but nonetheless, i guess i took it as given through most of the westernized world by this time, that a phrase like 'don't touch me please' is a prerogative of just about everybody.
 

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I made it clear from Day 1
yeah, me too. maybe i'm just bloody-minded? i've been saying 'don't call me x' to people and letting any problems they have with it remain theirs for 40 years. learned that from winston churchill, who might have been known as winnie to some, but he was famous ffor one of the most useful words-to-live-by's i've ever heard.

never apologize, never explain. not when there's no freaking reason why you should have to, at least.
 

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well, less of the touchy - that's very no-no in the culture around here so not much to worry about. but lots of the feely. 'how are you feeeeeeling about being here?' i mean, i can't get much more specific than that. 'now how are you feeeeeeling? how about . . . now?'

that's why i wanted to acknowledge that it is a different thing qualitatively from being actually groped. i can't imagine how stupid a person would have to be in my working world, in this city, to get anywhere near actually touching a person who was reporting to them.

but on that . . . surprised (sorry) by how much discomfort the actual 'touchy' causes to other people. i do have the privilege of a work world where repercussions for setting boundaries would be even stupider than crossing the boundaries in the first place. but nonetheless, i guess i took it as given through most of the westernized world by this time, that a phrase like 'don't touch me please' is a prerogative of just about everybody.
:D I come from a more touchy culture and yes, we do that... I always thought that in other countries I would be fired really fast :) Touching someone isn't that big of a deal, I only do it with people I like, but there are others who do it more. And I could never understand that mentality of "leaving your personal feelings out of your work" How? If I like/dislike someone, it will definitely show. I get an email from someone I like, I'm like: "Make way everyone, his/her request has priority", but if I dislike someone... "Yeah... nah... you can wait until... tomorrow... or the next day..." I like how Western people think that being unemotional = professional... Well, not really... I've seen plenty of other unprofessional things on their part which aren't related to emotions.

But usually, I don't feel anything about anyone... I get the same question "how do you feel about X?" And I never know what to answer... The question always confuses me... I don't know! I don't feel anything! It's fine I guess!
 

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In my former job as a tech Customer service guy, traveling around the globe to solve issues, I hated that my boss always tried to make me pass used spare parts as new and also on a particular instrument with design flaws, making people pay for repairs.
As we INTJ all want to do the best work, I purposedly would take new parts instead of used and would also try to give discounts, my boss never realized this, but it really pissed me off !
Also in meetings with marketing people, the discussion would always at some point, go into banter of what they sold, where customers invited them, so nothing relevant to my work then I would get up and say "some people actually have work to do, not wasting time on blabbering in meetings, bye".

Nowadays, it's first lazy or incompetant people, who hinder the design or improvement process for all others, I have called out these people in some meetings "it's your job we're not going to do it for you".
But above all since I'm a specialist in my company, though on the lower part of managorial positions, I absolutely do not care about people who ask useless tests, with no argument why but solely based on their position being higher than mine... also have called out some like "I'm not going to do tests, where you cannot explain the validity of itto me, I have other relevant things to do instead".

One guy one day even told me through the phone, that he would call my boss to "force me to do what he wanted", to which I replied "okay help yourself, if you really want to behave like this, but this is absolutely not professional on your part", this guy later apologised to me for exactly that, I think too many are never told no and expect people to be ants for them.
 

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'how are you feeeeeeling about being here?
I'm feeling like I like getting paid so here I am?
I would never actually say that so yeah... hopefully no one will ask me a stupid question like that.

I get an email from someone I like, I'm like: "Make way everyone, his/her request has priority", but if I dislike someone... "Yeah... nah... you can wait until... tomorrow... or the next day..."
This is so me. My two favorite faculty's requests always go to the top and I'll bust my ass and do ridiculous things to help them, but the ones I don't care for? "You should call bla bla bla department, they handle that", even if I could call them on their behalf I won't unless specifically asked.
 
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