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I've noticed that INTJs (and probably NTs in general) tend to be equated with spelling Nazis or grammar Nazis. I've actually had someone who disagreed with me online purposefully misspell something because they thought it bothered me.

The truth, for me at least, I was a horrible speller compared to my peers during my teens and 20s in spite of reading more books than anyone else I knew.

I am sensitive to grammar mistakes, though. Misuses of words (to, too, and two), misuses of turns of phrases (I could care less vs I couldn't care less), and poor grammar can be troublesome. I find myself having difficulty when punctuation is poor and I especially get confused with misplaced modifiers. Essentially, when poor grammar changes the meaning of a sentence, it's a bit of a headache.

So, I'm not a spelling Nazi, but poor grammar can bother me. I've never been the sort of person who points that stuff out, though (so maybe not a Nazi, but a grammar enthusiast). To me, it seems like a waste of time to call attention to details when the general meaning is understood to begin with.

I wonder if INTJs (or NTs in general) have been miscast as Spelling/Grammar Nazis or if they do fall under at least the spirit of the names. So, what about you? Are you good at spelling and/or grammar? Would you consider yourself a Grammar or Spelling Nazi? I have a theory that Te users would be less likely to care about spelling/grammar while Ti users would be more likely.

(I'm also interested in any NT response if you care to share, but posting it to INTJ forum because I think it'll yield more responses)
 
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EDIT: So, what about you? Are you good at spelling and/or grammar? Would you consider yourself a Grammar or Spelling Nazi?

As an INTP: I am a good speller - have been since at least 2nd grade, that I remember. I am an OK grammar...er. Grammarian?

I USED to be a Spelling AND Grammar Nazi. -- It was a sign of immaturity. I would jump on spelling / grammar mistakes as a proxy attack on someone's intelligence. Over time I've come to simply accept that if you can understand what they mean well enough, then that's all that really matters. I just begin by assuming the speaker is smart - imperfection in communicating does not discount their experience or viewpoint.

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It's also not clear what might cause a misspelling - is it a typo? Are they a foreign speaker? Are they typing on a phone? Are you on the Youtube comment section :p? Without knowing all these things, it's senseless to make a deal about it. Even if you do know, does it really matter?

What's funny to me is that as my tolerance for misspellings and grammar errors grows, my INtolerance for spelling / grammar Nazis also is proportionally greater.

I think that some of the NTs among us DO earn the label for the group. Weird Al did no favors with Word Crimes, as funny as it was... I do have certain quirks that I notice, like misuse of "literally", or "scare quotes". But instead of correcting the speaker, I just laugh at the system of English that allows such misuse to occur, and move on.
 

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I was sort of a 'grammar nazi', although to be fair, people used to ask me to look through their papers for mistakes. In my native tongue. I now mostly speak English and am aware it's not perfect.

Nowadays I don't really care about other people's grammar and spelling anymore, unless it is for something official/formal. However, if I notice the same person consistently making the same mistake over time, it seems that I will eventually correct it (once; if they don't listen it is their "issue").
 

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I have a strong command of the spelling and grammar of several languages. While poor spelling and grammar do irk me, I can rarely be bothered to correct them.
 

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I was sort of a 'grammar nazi', although to be fair, people used to ask me to look through their papers for mistakes.
People did that with me, too.
 

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When it comes to grammar nazi, it's always ISTJs who come to my mind. (Si? their love for details and correcting people?) But now, I can see how Ti, Si, and immature Fe combo might make an INTP a perfect grammar nazi.

As for INTJs... I've been here since January, I make A LOT of mistakes (english is not my native language and grammar+details are not something I'm good at) and no one has ever corrected me... soooooo they either don't care or suffer in silence (my condolences, guys).

As for me(in my native language), no, I'm not, I cringe sometimes when someone makes obvious mistakes but it's silly to me when some smart ass uses it to devaluate someone's intelligence.

What I'm bothered with is when someone (usually ExxPs) write a wall of text in a format that is very hard to read, and it seems like it's not about their knowledge/skills but laziness. I don't like it.
 

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What I'm bothered with is when someone (usually ExxPs) write a wall of text in a format that is very hard to read, and it seems like it's not about their knowledge/skills but laziness. I don't like it.
Yes. Walls of texts are just difficult to read.
 
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Function over form. I went through a period in my teens when I was interested in writing and linguistics and could be a little tetchy about grammar, etc. but before and since my policy is that if I can understand it and it's readable, getting too hung up on grammatical and spelling errors is detrimental to more or less anything worth achieving with language. I'll only comment if what's going on structurally is making whatever is being communicated hard to understand or digest.
 

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If I can understand, I go with it. I prefer people aren't lazy (when writing in their native language) but the meaning/time/keeping the flow of the conversation going are far more important to me that playing Mommy/teacher (which is a role I generally avoid in the first place).

People are responsible for their own stuff and can work it out for themselves, or not. Clearly I'm not perfect myself (nor do I try to be when writing quickly/casually). You get the idea. No one has corrected me yet (English is my native language). I'd probably ignore them if they did since I see it as petty and 'doing something' (ego wise) beyond being friendly/helpful.

My ENTP friend frequently apologizes for his mistakes via text. I rarely even notice them and figure it's auto-correct that's to blame when I do. Every time I tell him don't worry about it, but he continues to bring it up regularly. I'll write back in 'r u' language to make him laugh/forget about it (we both are fairly formal in our language naturally). It does seem like Ti doesn't like little errors whereas Te only doesn't like it when it doesn't 'work'.
 

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that r more uf a INTP thang
EYE EN TEE JAYZ cud care less
fuk the gramma poleace
Yeah I agree with this (well, the spirit of it haha)

Skill itself is only part of grammar/spelling Nazism. I am better than average with grammar (but is that saying much) and excel in spelling but it doesn't really bother me if things are incorrect. I won't correct people just to settle my own mind unless I know them well and that is something they have specifically asked me to do.

Stereotypically/generally speaking, I do think it bothers Ti more to see something inaccurate/incorrect. I am more like, "do we understand what the other is trying to communicate? Then it's fine." My INTP and ENTP correct their own errors just to correct them - as in they are correcting them for themselves. I correct mine only if I feel it offers clarification as in if it might benefit the other person's understanding.
 

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I've noticed that INTJs (and probably NTs in general) tend to be equated with spelling Nazis or grammar Nazis. I've actually had someone who disagreed with me online purposefully misspell something because they thought it bothered me.

The truth, for me at least, I was a horrible speller compared to my peers during my teens and 20s in spite of reading more books than anyone else I knew.

I am sensitive to grammar mistakes, though. Misuses of words (to, too, and two), misuses of turns of phrases (I could care less vs I couldn't care less), and poor grammar can be troublesome. I find myself having difficulty when punctuation is poor and I especially get confused with misplaced modifiers. Essentially, when poor grammar changes the meaning of a sentence, it's a bit of a headache.

So, I'm not a spelling Nazi, but poor grammar can bother me. I've never been the sort of person who points that stuff out, though (so maybe not a Nazi, but a grammar enthusiast). To me, it seems like a waste of time to call attention to details when the general meaning is understood to begin with.

I wonder if INTJs (or NTs in general) have been miscast as Spelling/Grammar Nazis or if they do fall under at least the spirit of the names. So, what about you? Are you good at spelling and/or grammar? Would you consider yourself a Grammar or Spelling Nazi? I have a theory that Te users would be less likely to care about spelling/grammar while Ti users would be more likely.

(I'm also interested in any NT response if you care to share, but posting it to INTJ forum because I think it'll yield more responses)
My INTJ isn't a grammar Nazi, and isn't the type to correct people on it. He will correct people when it comes to technicalities pertaining to law, computers, and some other subjects though. Honestly, I'm probably more of a silent grammar Nazi than he is.

I'm not sure if the other INTJs I know are grammar Nazis. One of them is an author, but I think he's the type to just silently judge your sentence structure rather than say anything.
 

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He will correct people when it comes to technicalities pertaining to law, computers, and some other subjects though.
I wonder how much of this is an INTJ compulsion to correct others when it comes to factual information & inaccurate/non-true statements? I find it difficult to "let go" of irritation when others say things that are untrue, but the way they say it (in writing or whichever way) doesn't really bother me. Like I said, I'll probably notice a mistake in grammar, but I wouldn't point it out. However, mistakes in fact or intellectual dishonestly is more where my irritation is.
 

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If I am going to offer a personal analysis (as in I don't feel qualified to speak for all y'all):

My Fi is very sensitive to the concept of personal expression. I would say it is definitely one of my triggers to when someone disrupts/negates my expression or that of someone else.

If I were to correct someone, especially someone who doesn't prioritize this type of accuracy, it feels like I'm arbitrarily criticizing. It is not my place to make light of something if others apparently feel sufficient about. I'm more than happy to help someone who wants to improve, of course, but if knowing which to/too/two to use isn't particularly important to someone, who am I to create a problem/feeling of deficiency where none lies?

There is a fine line between helping someone to improve for their benefit (and if it were something like looking for a job, I would then mention grammar/spelling issues) and insisting on perfection because it should be so according to me.
 

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I've noticed that INTJs (and probably NTs in general) tend to be equated with spelling Nazis or grammar Nazis. I've actually had someone who disagreed with me online purposefully misspell something because they thought it bothered me.

The truth, for me at least, I was a horrible speller compared to my peers during my teens and 20s in spite of reading more books than anyone else I knew.

I am sensitive to grammar mistakes, though. Misuses of words (to, too, and two), misuses of turns of phrases (I could care less vs I couldn't care less), and poor grammar can be troublesome. I find myself having difficulty when punctuation is poor and I especially get confused with misplaced modifiers. Essentially, when poor grammar changes the meaning of a sentence, it's a bit of a headache.

So, I'm not a spelling Nazi, but poor grammar can bother me. I've never been the sort of person who points that stuff out, though (so maybe not a Nazi, but a grammar enthusiast). To me, it seems like a waste of time to call attention to details when the general meaning is understood to begin with.

I wonder if INTJs (or NTs in general) have been miscast as Spelling/Grammar Nazis or if they do fall under at least the spirit of the names. So, what about you? Are you good at spelling and/or grammar? Would you consider yourself a Grammar or Spelling Nazi? I have a theory that Te users would be less likely to care about spelling/grammar while Ti users would be more likely.

(I'm also interested in any NT response if you care to share, but posting it to INTJ forum because I think it'll yield more responses)
I can be a Spelling/Grammar Nazi on occasion. It depends on my mood though. When I'm irritated/frustrated/annoyed I can be a massive spelling/grammar Nazi, although it's not that I have an aversion to shit spelling. It's that I have an aversion towards shit in general and I am more likely to call it out whenever I see it when I'm in a bad mood.

Other than when I'm in that mood, incorrect spelling or grammar will be something I notice, but not something I find it necessary to make a fuss about.
 

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Spelling and grammar mistakes annoy me, though my greatest linguistic peeve is misusing words. When trying to make a point, language should back up your point. This is particularly bad in the realm of politics, where people just throw whatever term of derision they can at their opponent whether or not the term actually fits. It's so bad that I immediately tune out whenever I hear "socialist" or "fascist" used in a nonhistorical context.
 

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I wonder if INTJs (or NTs in general) have been miscast as Spelling/Grammar Nazis or if they do fall under at least the spirit of the names. So, what about you? Are you good at spelling and/or grammar? Would you consider yourself a Grammar or Spelling Nazi? I have a theory that Te users would be less likely to care about spelling/grammar while Ti users would be more likely.

(I'm also interested in any NT response if you care to share, but posting it to INTJ forum because I think it'll yield more responses)
I am more of a pronunciation/speech Nazi. I, impulsively, correct many speech problems and pronunciation of words in others. I go out of my way to help others with linguistic errors or who are not very verbose in general, to improve their pronunciation or vocabulary. I prefer an expansive verbal vocabularly, coherent verbal pronunciation, speech clarity, a skilled tongue and so forth. I am known for being articulate, not a spelling/grammar Nazi. My main compliment is how I articulate myself, and smoothing out communicative conflicts or simplifying miscommunications among others with ease. I geek out over other articulate specimens, as well. That one humanoid that simply speaks so marvelously you get lost in their rare fluidity and superior pronunciation of peculiar words. You wish to be around them all the time just listen to them speak. My spelling, in general, is very good if you ask me on spot. Forgot how to spell anything? I know it. 100% proper grammar without mistakes is a hit or miss out of formal environments.

As for the rest of it, when it comes to spelling and grammar, I cannot be bothered outside of formal environments where spelling/grammar are crucially or inevitably important. In more personalized areas, I relax. I am not a "spelling/grammar" Nazi, I simply fancy making things more eligible than I would demonstrably do so on the interwebz. I enjoy structural freedom elsewhere. I do not fixate on details.
 

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Yeah I agree with this (well, the spirit of it haha)

Skill itself is only part of grammar/spelling Nazism. I am better than average with grammar (but is that saying much) and excel in spelling but it doesn't really bother me if things are incorrect. I won't correct people just to settle my own mind unless I know them well and that is something they have specifically asked me to do.

Stereotypically/generally speaking, I do think it bothers Ti more to see something inaccurate/incorrect. I am more like, "do we understand what the other is trying to communicate? Then it's fine." My INTP and ENTP correct their own errors just to correct them - as in they are correcting them for themselves. I correct mine only if I feel it offers clarification as in if it might benefit the other person's understanding.
I'm more concerned with a oral argument
whereas the P is concerned with grammar I am concerned with verbal usage of a word
in a debate I will clearly define the word in the term [think exegesis] if the other misuses said term
 
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