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My P function makes me way more capable than any of the INTJ's I've met as far as practical action is concerned. I'm more spontaneous, articulate, possess well-balanced common sense and am less tolerant of sophistry. (Yet I am still an NT meaning I'm not all that spontaneous, articulate, intolerant of sophistry or possessing much common sense at all.) The ENTP's I know are similar The INTJ's I know suck in these categories. What gives? Have I just met the wrong INTJ's? I would not say I was a practical person but if anything I feel like my P function makes me more capable of "real life" than the rigidness and unrealism of an intellectual judging type. It's like they are highly imaginative and then they try to make it come alive with their J function or something. Ridiculous.

(Forunately we are both INT's so whichever one is better at real life it doesn't matter because we both don't care for real life very much at all. Also we suck at it tremendously compared to any other type. It's like saying which species of turtle has a higher max speed on land.)
 

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Well, OP, the convoluted mental flip flopping you went through there at the end of your post, along with the 'well in the end, its all pointless really' attitude,.. about your own post, show one strength of INTJ's concerning practicality. An INTJ would not have wasted precious time and energy on typing out an iner monologue that has no practical purpose.
Now, would they?:crazy:
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uhuh, I am still gobsmacked they said they were better and thence went on a perplexing riddle to far and distant lands

I have heard of similar happenings before
but it usually involves people visiting the deepest amazon rain forest and licking a toad
 

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Funny. In my experience, the INTJs actually SOLVE problems, unlike the INTPs, who don't have the mental stamina to go for the proper solution. They either half-solve it, or go for the hack attack.

My P function makes me way more capable than any of the INTJ's I've met as far as practical action is concerned. I'm more spontaneous, articulate, possess well-balanced common sense and am less tolerant of sophistry.
I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a "P function".

Forunately we are both INT's so whichever one is better at real life it doesn't matter because we both don't care for real life very much at all. Also we suck at it tremendously compared to any other type.
INTJs are the most successful of all I-types:

Salary and Type - Typology Central

INTJs tend to be very well-educated (they actually finish their degrees) This correlates well with success.
 

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I'm just saying the INTJ's I know are awkward and rigid, way more than the INTP's I know which doesn't make sense because INTP's are way less productive, organized, focused, etc. etc.

Not that I haven't met some hopeless INTP's, there are lot's of them, I just think a probing nature helps with real world situations better than a judging nature. I could be wrong but that's how it seems. So it's ironic how unmotivated and useless most INTP's are. If we cared about stuff out P could take us places.
 

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I might just be the most incredible INTP on the planet though skewing my perceptions.
 

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Successful at what?? Engineering?
Which happens to be a stable, well-paying job...

I'm just saying the INTJ's I know are awkward and rigid, way more than the INTP's I know which doesn't make sense because INTP's are way less productive, organized, focused, etc. etc.
Non sequitur.
Not that I haven't met some hopeless INTP's, there are lot's of them, I just think a probing nature helps with real world situations better than a judging nature. I could be wrong but that's how it seems. So it's ironic how unmotivated and useless most INTP's are. If we cared about stuff out P could take us places.
Uhm, "P" doesn't mean "Probe". Plus, there are many more differences between the INTP and the INTJ, mostly in function use.
 

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INTJs are practical in that they will think ahead of time and avoid a lot of the stupid mistakes us INTPs will make. However, they don't handle surprises very well. An INTJ during a crisis is not a pretty site. INTPs tend to be much better at reacting and handling situations that aren't going as planned. There are many other examples like this, but this is the biggest one.

With that in mind, I'd say that INTJs are practical in situations where INTPs aren't and vice versa.
 

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INTJs are practical in that they will think ahead of time and avoid a lot of the stupid mistakes us INTPs will make. However, they don't handle surprises very well. An INTJ during a crisis is not a pretty site. INTPs tend to be much better at reacting and handling situations that aren't going as planned. There are many other examples like this, but this is the biggest one.

With that in mind, I'd say that INTJs are practical in situations where INTPs aren't and vice versa.


That makes a lot of sense I really like that. I think that's what I'm observing because I feel like there are some things in "real life" I'm way better at than INTJ's but overall I'd say I wasn't nearly as practical or "accomplished".
 

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I was going to thank you for being an INTJ with a great insight and actually understands humor when you see it but it looks like your actually an INTP.

Maybe INTJ's will get with the program one of these days. Such ineffective people.
 

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Hmmm... INTJs not practical.

How's this for practical? I'm postponing a divorce declaration despite living with an unbalanced, easily enraged ADHD sex addicted manipulative ESFP until it is financial possible for me to kick his ass to the curb.

Not good in a crisis? My 10 year old daughter was dumped on her head while horseback riding. I heard an audible crack. I ran to her side to find her lying immobile and sobbing. A quick physical examination didn't reveal anything immediately life threatening so the next concern was paralysis. While the other mothers and her instructor were panicked, I coaxed her to her feet without helping her. After calmly helping her wash the sand and dirt from her mouth I drove her to the emergency room. (The doctor determined that she was fine... sore muscles to be expected.)
 

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I won't restrict myself to the pathetic limiting view of what is defined as practical. What is practical to the INTJ is not practical to other types, simply because we see differently. We are naturally ambitious ( I know I am, terribly ) so we tend to have far-fetched ideas which other people won't find it plausible.

INTJs are practical in that they will think ahead of time and avoid a lot of the stupid mistakes us INTPs will make. However, they don't handle surprises very well. An INTJ during a crisis is not a pretty site. INTPs tend to be much better at reacting and handling situations that aren't going as planned. There are many other examples like this, but this is the biggest one.

With that in mind, I'd say that INTJs are practical in situations where INTPs aren't and vice versa.
Disagree. I actually handle surprises very well, when I'm calm at least ( This actually applies to every type ) .In fact, I WANT surprises. A smooth, well executed plan is nice but a surprise and the ability to still continue a smooth, well executed plan is even better.
 

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I won't restrict myself to the pathetic limiting view of what is defined as practical. What is practical to the INTJ is not practical to other types, simply because we see differently. We are naturally ambitious ( I know I am, terribly ) so we tend to have far-fetched ideas which other people won't find it plausible.
To be fair, I kind of agree with you (and INTPs have the exact same problem in a slightly different way). Maybe it would be better to say that we are both painfully misunderstood pragmatists?

Disagree. I actually handle surprises very well, when I'm calm at least ( This actually applies to every type ) .In fact, I WANT surprises. A smooth, well executed plan is nice but a surprise and the ability to still continue a smooth, well executed plan is even better.
Maybe I exaggerated a bit. I'm not saying that every INTJ breaks down in tears when something unexpected happens. Nor am I saying that there aren't INTJs who are better in crises than INTPs. I'm just saying that your average INTP will likely be able to handle surprises better than your average INTJ. At least that is my experiences based on the ones I know. Your milage may vary.
 

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I feel bad for all women growing up in the porn age. Their married life is going to suck. I've heard so many stories...
I feel bad for married men who grew up before the porn age and the sexual revolution. Their married lives must have sucked (well.. not getting sucked is more accurate).

Seriously, douche bag men have always been around and will continue to be. You can't blame that on porn, even if it is the popular thing to do.
 

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Not sure, but i think the INTP's were trying to say that they are more capable in social situations, as if that somehow equates to being more capable in life.

i would agree, the INTP i know is better in "unexpected" social situations, ie with people he doesn't know well. but i could run circles around him in productivity and actual life application.
 

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INTJs are practical in that they will think ahead of time and avoid a lot of the stupid mistakes us INTPs will make. However, they don't handle surprises very well. An INTJ during a crisis is not a pretty site. INTPs tend to be much better at reacting and handling situations that aren't going as planned. There are many other examples like this, but this is the biggest one.

With that in mind, I'd say that INTJs are practical in situations where INTPs aren't and vice versa.
You sure that the INTJs in a crisis are not just wanting drama to go away....not an actual crisis? We are pretty damn good about discerning between the two.

Whilst it may be true that we don't like surprises it doesn't mean that we are bad in a crisis....I know that I neither flap my arms around, nor disappear. Usually when there is a crisis I have already seen it happen in my head anyway and just go about it. In the case of a crisis that I haven't already foreseen I can form contingency plans on the fly......and just get on with it.
 
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