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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · 3 mo ago

Intjs,

Do you ever have an identity crisis? This has happened to me a couple times in life. (at least, maybe 1 or two more) but you get to this point where it all comes crashing down and it's part liberating and part carpet bomb, torpedoe, demolition.

Am I making sense? It's like you suddenly let go of what you've been in an entirety because it has failed you in some significant/read:fatal way and then the towers fall. And you're free. Sort of.

I wonder if this happens to others too.

I just had one the other day, pretty pleasant as it happened on a trajectory for growth I'd been working on so the mountain hasn't fallen on empty foundations but...it made me think this probably maybe doesn't happen to all people. I suppose it's part Ni. We don't necessarily tinker in vacuums so when it gets thrown out it's sorta all or nothing feeling...

Anyway, would love to know.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #2 · 3 mo ago

It's like the mental equivalent of cutting off your hair so you suddenly feel air on you neck/head again. The air being that free state of possibilities to be erected within the wreckage, the sudden bare chaos. Clean slate in some huge avenue.

I do wonder why I can't stay in that free space. 🤔

The building comes shortly after the fall. Like autopilot.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #3 · 3 mo ago

Makes me think. What is an INTJ free from our framework. In its totality. How much lighter of a person we'd be, most likely.

ENTJudgement

· #4 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Makes me think. What is an INTJ free from our framework. In its totality. How much lighter of a person we'd be, most likely.

I'm pretty sure you'd just become an ENTJ if your Ni was lower in the stack or more repressed... but with a much higher Fi so a mix between ENTJ and ISFP.

Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #5 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
I'm pretty sure you'd just become an ENTJ if your Ni was lower in the stack or more repressed... but with a much higher Fi so a mix between ENTJ and ISFP.

Hmm. Do you feel light as a person?

Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #6 · 3 mo ago

Do you feel a lot mentally lighter than your INTJ friends?

ENTJudgement

· #7 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Hmm. Do you feel light as a person?

I'd say I'm quite light coz we're basically INTJs who are less perfectionist and more about materializing our ideas into the world. I think what really screws with INTJs and INFJs is just their Ni dom, too much living in your head trying to think/figure stuff out in the metaphysical realm, too much of a perfectionist etc... Both with equally low Se (in your inferior) so you're probably struggling with needing to manifest your thoughts into reality but overthinking everything. Basically I do what you do but less planning/perfectionist about it and more doing/getting it done and implementing a lesser perfect system.

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ENTJudgement

· #8 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Do you feel a lot mentally lighter than your INTJ friends?

Yes, my INTJ friends and I would do the same thing but he'd burn out much faster than me coz hes overthinking it BUT his systems are more well thoughtout and more "perfect" from the planning stage than mine, we work well together coz we speak the same language of Te-Ni or Ni-Te, hes the smarter one and the better strategist, hes basically brilliant but I can out last him during implementation and he out lasts me in theorizing.

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ENTJudgement

· #9 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Do you feel a lot mentally lighter than your INTJ friends?

I'll also say that my INTJ friends vary wildly, one of them is a very "upstanding citizen", zero bad habits, perfectionist in every sense, good at everything technical, brilliant mind, no debaucherous activities at all while one of my other INTJ friends is on the flipside, quite brilliant but very debaucherous, drugs, sex, alcohol, gambling all night, doesn't really want a conventional career, more about easy fast money, no discipline or self control, impulsive, bit of a degen but he seems to be having a lot more "fun" and he gets by with his high intellect, hes by no means not doing well.

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ENTJudgement

· #10 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
I'll also say that my INTJ friends vary wildly, one of them is a very "upstanding citizen", zero bad habits, perfectionist in every sense, good at everything technical, brilliant mind, no debaucherous activities at all while one of my other INTJ friends is on the flipside, quite brilliant but very debaucherous, drugs, sex, alcohol, gambling all night, doesn't really want a conventional career, more about easy fast money, no discipline or self control, impulsive, bit of a degen but he seems to be having a lot more "fun" and he gets by with his high intellect, hes by no means not doing well.

They have an aura they emit like you need to be on your A game around them or they'll deem you stupid, think about what you say before u say it, make sure what you say is gonna make sense, don't do dumb stuff infront of them (by dumb I don't mean debaucherous) and if you stand your ground, they're gonna argue with u so u better run that argument in ur head first coz if you lose, they're gonna think you're stupid lol

Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #11 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
They have an aura they emit like you need to be on your A game around them or they'll deem you stupid, think about what you say before u say it, make sure what you say is gonna make sense, don't do dumb stuff infront of them (by dumb I don't mean debaucherous) and if you stand your ground, they're gonna argue with u so u better run that argument in ur head first coz if you lose, they're gonna think you're stupid lol

the running theme here is.... they think you're stupid

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I think it's the eyes....them Ni eyes with Te analysis...makes one look unamused. I am simultaneously absorbing someone's essence and evaluating their argument. While picking apart their metaphysical being. Can unnerve some.

The fact you mentioned having to run an argument through your head before speaking it is such an extrovert thing to say. Bleh...I need some debauchery.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #12 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
They have an aura they emit like you need to be on your A game around them or they'll deem you stupid, think about what you say before u say it, make sure what you say is gonna make sense, don't do dumb stuff infront of them (by dumb I don't mean debaucherous) and if you stand your ground, they're gonna argue with u so u better run that argument in ur head first coz if you lose, they're gonna think you're stupid lol

Maybe one is a one and one is a seven?

ENTJudgement

· #13 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Maybe one is a one and one is a seven?

I'ma say the one you think is a 1 is a either a 5 or an 8, definitely not a 1 and the debaucherous one is probably a 7w8 Basically neither are 1, 2, 4, 6 or 9s for sure which leaves only 8w7 LOL, can't be 3 without a wing and can't be 5 without a wing.

I purposely wrote the above to demonstrate what I mean by not thinking things through and talking too quick coz what I said above could be condensed to simply;

They're both 8w7 or 7w8s but I typed out my entire thought process out which leaves room for them to think I'm stupid coz there are mistakes there and back and forths as well as redundant info.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #14 · 3 mo ago

Do you as an ENTJ never feel like someone is stupid or look at them like they are? I guess the equivalent for you is when people are inefficient since you would immediately see where the efficiency is. Where Ni is complex perception of underlying patterns but since it's a hero func. you sorta assume similar perception is something everyone is just as capable of and if they don't they must be really stupid.

ENTJudgement said:
I'ma say the one you think is a 1 is a either a 5 or an 8, definitely not a 1 and the debaucherous one is probably a 7w8 Basically neither are 1, 2, 4, 6 or 9s for sure which leaves only 8w7 LOL, can't be 3 without a wing and can't be 5 without a wing.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #15 · 3 mo ago

Cuz literally all it takes to come up with the Ni is to be paying attention. It's not an active involved thing, so it sorta just is an apparent view of how the world is from one's perspective.

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ENTJudgement

· #16 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
the running theme here is.... they think you're stupid ...

I think it's the eyes....them Ni eyes with Te analysis...makes one look unamused. I am simultaneously absorbing someone's essence and evaluating their argument. While picking apart their metaphysical being. Can unnerve some.

The fact you mentioned having to run an argument through your head before speaking it is such an extrovert thing to say. Bleh...I need some debauchery.

They will say to your face you're stupid and they will also openly discuss how stupid person X, Y or Z is sometimes infront of them with others.

I'll happily admit that they're both smarter than me coz they're both quite brilliant, the 2 other INTJs, one is also quite brilliant but hes very peaceful, don't like to argue, nice dude, easy to get along with but hes very picky with the types of people he hangs with and hes equally judgmental, he just doesn't say it to people's faces and tries to keep the peace until he gets mad then the filter comes off lol. The other is almost like a ISTJ, the debaucherous INTJ likes to mock him by typing him as an ISTJ whenever he says anything stupid, I think it's ridiculous to think ISTJs are stupid as a type but since he only cares about Ni -> Intuiting the correct future outcome, anyone who can't do that is automatically a sensor or not as smart as him.

Initially I've had some arguments with them but later after they proved their intellectual prowess I usually always triple check what they said, run through arguments in my head more than normal, fact check myself then proceed to debate them.

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· #17 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
Do you as an ENTJ never feel like someone is stupid or look at them like they are? I guess the equivalent for you is when people are inefficient since you would immediately see where the efficiency is. Where Ni is complex perception of underlying patterns but since it's a hero func. you sorta assume similar perception is something everyone is just as capable of and if they don't they must be really stupid.

So here, we'd need to determine which function(s) are judging people as stupid, conventional wisdom would say that it had to be Te-Fi coz those are our only 2 judging functions in our ego so the difference here would be, I judge too quickly since I wanna be using my Dom function immediately where as you're perceiving with Ni first then judging with Te.

Realistically functions don't take sequential order or turns, all 8 functions are used simultaneously and only brain computation power/utilization or focus changes (preference) which means INTJs with a perceiving Dom function should be more accurate as you're focusing more on perceiving first where as my focus is more on judging.

So in saying that, yes I judge people as stupid or smart even faster than an INTJ would but the difference is, I'm more adaptable with my judgements, I'm more momentary, for instance, I spot you doing something stupid and I don't know you, I immediately place u in the probably stupid category but then I catch you doing something intelligent later, then I move you to the could be intelligent category so you're constantly shifting until I've got enough reference points to deem you stupid or smart in each category i.e maths, science, music, art, every category under the sun.

I think INTJs would take longer to deem someone is stupid but once they do, they're probably going to remain there for longer.

Another important distinction is my Fi is further from my Te than an INTJ's so I'm alot more objective in my judgements, just coz I placed someone in the stupid at music category for example doesn't mean I have a strong Fi value judgement on them, they're just there and I feel nothing about it.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #18 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
So here, we'd need to determine which function(s) are judging people as stupid, conventional wisdom would say that it had to be Te-Fi coz those are our only 2 judging functions in our ego so the difference here would be, I judge too quickly since I wanna be using my Dom function immediately where as you're perceiving with Ni first then judging with Te.

Realistically functions don't take sequential order or turns, all 8 functions are used simultaneously and only brain computation power/utilization or focus changes (preference) which means INTJs with a perceiving Dom function should be more accurate as you're focusing more on perceiving first where as my focus is more on judging.

So in saying that, yes I judge people as stupid or smart even faster than an INTJ would but the difference is, I'm more adaptable with my judgements, I'm more momentary, for instance, I spot you doing something stupid and I don't know you, I immediately place u in the probably stupid category but then I catch you doing something intelligent later, then I move you to the could be intelligent category so you're constantly shifting until I've got enough reference points to deem you stupid or smart in each category i.e maths, science, music, art, every category under the sun.

I think INTJs would take longer to deem someone is stupid but once they do, they're probably going to remain there for longer.

Another important distinction is my Fi is further from my Te than an INTJ's so I'm alot more objective in my judgements, just coz I placed someone in the stupid at music category for example doesn't mean I have a strong Fi value judgement on them, they're just there and I feel nothing about it.

When is it you do have a strong value judgement about people?

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ENTJudgement

· #19 · 3 mo ago

Rihanna said:
When is it you do have a strong value judgement about people?

Good question, basically it comes down to my Ni in the parent function, when it deems that I have no future with you coz of what you did, like theres no way we can have any kind of future interaction anymore coz you;

1. Had malicious intent towards me or people I value
2. Tried to fk me over or betrayed me and likely to do it again
3. You're constantly screwing me over with the way you behave or getting me into trouble

Basically the only time I ever door slam people is when theres grave consequences to my future caused by you.

So in saying that, I'd much rather have an airhead friend who is a nice person than a scheming genius who I can't trust and worried he might fk me over in the future.

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Rihanna

Discussion Starter · #20 · 3 mo ago

ENTJudgement said:
Good question, basically it comes down to my Ni in the parent function, when it deems that I have no future with you coz of what you did, like theres no way we can have any kind of future interaction anymore coz you;

1. Had malicious intent towards me or people I value
2. Tried to fk me over or betrayed me and likely to do it again
3. You're constantly screwing me over with the way you behave or getting me into trouble

Basically the only time I ever door slam people is when theres grave consequences to my future caused by you.

So in saying that, I'd much rather have an airhead friend who is a nice person than a scheming genius who I can't trust and worried he might fk me over in the future.

have you ever fucked someone over?

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