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I've been dealing with this stuff my whole life. It's taken me almost 30 years to get decent at realizing that nobody sits in the rational center and that even with all of our best instruments the absolute truth is probably inaccessible to us.

What you see is relative to where you're observing from.
This is an older post but I registered to the Forum just to say this is completely wrong. And to anyone who disagrees with *me* saying that I suggest that they study the philosophy of Objectivism if they have not already. Not only is it true for all men at all times but I think any INTP will see that it is quicker than the general population.
 

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The philosophy. It teaches you the principals on how to correctly discover and completely validate knowledge about reality starting from the Law of Identity on up in an increasing complex hierarchy of abstract conceptual development.
 

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A bit off-topic, maybe, but am I correct in thinking that:

Ne (or Ne-Si) = Abstract Random
Ni (or Ni-Se) = Abstract Sequential
Se (or Se-Ni) = Concrete Random
Si (or Si-Ne) = Concrete Sequential

and that people with the Ne-Si/Si-Ne pairings are more deductive, whereas people with the Ni-Se/Se-Ni pairings are more inductive?

I'm probably way off. I really need to learn more about the functions...
 

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I'm kinda confused with the INTP functions. I'm sure I am INTP but I have 2 dominant functions: Ti and Ni, its not even Ne. Look at my signature! It's not the common INTP.

Plus: most INTP lowest function is Fe. Mine is Se
What test gave you those results? Te goes with Fi, Ti with Fe, Ni with Se, and Ne with Si.

If you scored highest in Ti and Ni, you might be an INFJ. I hear they quite often mistype as INTPs.
 

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A bit off-topic, maybe, but am I correct in thinking that:

Ne (or Ne-Si) = Abstract Random
Ni (or Ni-Se) = Abstract Sequential
Se (or Se-Ni) = Concrete Random
Si (or Si-Ne) = Concrete Sequential

and that people with the Ne-Si/Si-Ne pairings are more deductive, whereas people with the Ni-Se/Se-Ni pairings are more inductive?

I'm probably way off. I really need to learn more about the functions...
I usually hear inductive/deductive is related to Ti and Te though I can see those connections being made.
 

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I usually hear inductive/deductive is related to Ti and Te though I can see those connections being made.
Hm. You're absolutely right. I just googled it and found this: Why Te is Inductive and Ti is Deductive | CelebrityTypes

I thought that ISTJs used deductive reasoning (being the "Inspectors" and all), and since they use Te, not Ti, and I knew that INTPs also tend to be deductive... but nvm. I'm rambling.

What about the learning styles (abstract random, etc.)? That has to be related to Ne/Ni and Se/Si, right?
 

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Hm. You're absolutely right. I just googled it and found this: Why Te is Inductive and Ti is Deductive | CelebrityTypes

I thought that ISTJs used deductive reasoning (being the "Inspectors" and all), and since they use Te, not Ti, and I knew that INTPs also tend to be deductive... but nvm. I'm rambling.

What about the learning styles (abstract random, etc.)? That has to be related to Ne/Ni and Se/Si, right?
I would say so. I mean I also just googled it, I did one of those tests before but it a while ago. I can see the commonalities with the learning styles but I think to some degree they also leak into the judging functions. According to the image I saw on google which I just closed without thinking "abstract random likes to get people discussing in harmony". So I would say like Ne/Si+Ti/Fe. But I only read one table.
There's an odd overlap between terms in MBTI.
Te is about external facts.
But isn't Se about looking at concrete facts?
It would help if I knew how Te+Ne worked because it seems like an odd mix considering the terms used in the functions. It might just be my incomplete understanding though.
I'm not sure if it's Ti or Ne or both that would reason "well it could be something than other than it seems." And vice versa with Te/Se "whether it could be or not, it is clearly this in front of your face."
I may be picking up on some kind of pattern or just flawed or poorly understood terminology.
 

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Hello everyone, I’m basically having a personality meltdown because I have been using the MBTI test now for about two years and I still cannot seem to decide on my personality type. I once tested as an ENFP when I was taking pain killers regularly so that definitely affected some of my answers. I once tested as an INTP at a work function/meting and then tested again at work as an INFJ.

I moved on to trying to take the test at home where I could be alone with my own thoughts and I tested as an ENTP! For some reason, I took the test again about a year later and tested as an ENTJ! Now, I could be an ENFP, an INTP, an ENTP, an ENTJ..and oh yeah I fit some of the descriptions of the INFP, ESTP, and ISTP if that weren’t enough.

I know one fact about me which could explain some part of my dilemma, which is the fact that I’m known as the chameleon. I fluctuate to different types of people depending on what I need in my life at that moment (very much so strategic when it comes to relationships) and have been accused by my own friends of using them to get what I want!

Now, I’m relatively sure that isn’t a Feelers prototypical behavior BUT ENFPs have been known to be a bit manipulative, even when it comes to relationships.

Here are some key facts about me:
- My friends regard me as the Mathematician, I’m always analyzing everything
- I am borderline narcissist, egotistical and the most arrogant Sob you’ll ever meet.
- I can be really gregarious and outgoing when I want to be especially when I am drunk but outside of that I keep a relatively low profile, mainly because I want to figure out my personality type before I venture back out into the world!
- Also, I am obsessed with world domination and taking control of people.
- I have a knack for being fidgety, socially at unease most of the time because people say some of the dumbest shit.
- I have an extremely difficult time opening up to people about anything going on in my life esp about my Father, who passed away last year
- I am very much into Adderral, smoking hookah, smoking weed and overall just messing up my body because I do workout so I know ill be able to remain healthy.
- I am very self aware and hate standing up in front of crowds..they make me uneasy but I have been told I am a brilliant/confident public speaker.
- I feel like a leader on the outside but I suppress those feeling in order to be deemed intelligent and addicting rather than bold and outlandish.
- I hate hate hate asking for help..I’d rather die then ask for help..Id rather figure things out for myself then ask for help later when I need it..mostly I will use people to get what I want out of them.
- I’ve always been borderline..borderline dumbass..borderline genius..I can’t figure out which one is which..am I a genius or a dumbass? Everything I do is halfass..half the time I’m the mad mathematician in my lab cooking up greatness and the other half of the time I’m a borderline loser/sociopath who has nothing to do but masterbate and watch tv.
- I have always been obsessed with two things..genius and leadership..I dunno why but I have.
- I am a brilliant talent evaluator.

Please help!..I’m having an identity crisis and I need to get to the bottom of this..before its too late!

Hopefully this is more than enough information that you all will need in order to assist me with my dilemma because I cannot go on any longer not knowing who I AM!
 

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What test gave you those results? Te goes with Fi, Ti with Fe, Ni with Se, and Ne with Si.

If you scored highest in Ti and Ni, you might be an INFJ. I hear they quite often mistype as INTPs.
the jungian test at personality cafe. Jungian Cognitive Function Quiz
This one gave me Ti and Ni, and also INTP

I'm sure about being Ti and Ni.
I'm also sure being INTP. I made 3 tests. This jungian one, the celebrity types, and the "my personality" one (the one with 70 questions)

Plus, another reason for being INTP.
I am "I" because I always preferred living in my inner world.
I am "N" because I completely live thinking about the future and how could it be, I normally dislike the world as it is (although I enjoy staring at the nature, big landscapes). But my abstract is sequential, it has a logical reason that I won't be explaining here, but it's not random.
The "T" it's obvious. I always decide things by logic, even considering people's feelings, logic is the most effective way of success for everything.
And "P" its completely obvious. I'm totally improvising all the time. I don't like suffocating structures, I hate hierarchy, I think people are who they are, despite being a master or a student. I do things when I'm comfortable and when I want.

Here's the pic of my cog. functions



If the picture does not load: http://s869.photobucket.com/user/luucasiozzi/media/IMG-20140822-WA0002_zpsdf63eefd.jpeg.html
 

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I have been trying my hand at better understanding the INTPs pattern of Cognitive functions.
I was hoping to break it down into something a bit more simpler and understandable.
Some times I find certain descriptions long winded and I seek a practical way to elaborate it to someone who is much more unfamiliar with the material. Not saying the ones available here are long winded by any means. :proud:

Feedback from another INTP well versed in the matter would be greatly appreciated.

So in regards to information.

INTPs

Ti - Analyze and categorizes data. (Acquire)
Ne - Explore a number of alternatives or connections to said data. (Research)
Si - Compares said data to information which has already been acquired for confirmation. (Validate)
Fe - (Not sure how to factor this in) "Pls halp" :bored:

Let me know what any of you may think.
 

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So in regards to information.

INTPs

Ti - Analyze and categorizes data. (Acquire)
Ne - Explore a number of alternatives or connections to said data. (Research)
Si - Compares said data to information which has already been acquired for confirmation. (Validate)
Fe - (Not sure how to factor this in) "Pls halp" :bored:

Let me know what any of you may think.

The Fe could be "is this correlated with values and feelings of others?".
 
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