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I've read online that one of the best personality types for an INTP to date are an ENTJ, but, I want to know if you think this could also apply to other dynamics such as business partners, friendships and co-workers, or if it is just in a romantic sense, which I doubt could work. I mean, what would put me off, is that a positive listed is that INTPs defer easily to partners. I wouldn't and I'm not the submissive type if that's what that means. I prefer being the dominant person IF a relationship has a sub/dom dynamic. That might be unique to me, or I might have tested as the wrong type, but how are the two types actually supposed to blend well as a whole in a romantic way or as friends? I could see how it could work in business, if an Introvert who happens to be an Entrepreneur has a vision of something on a grand scale and needs a CEO to make that vision a reality, but, besides professionally, how can an INTP and ENTJ blend well? Honestly I can see how an INTP and ENTJ could take over the fucking world combining their "unique" natural talents, but how does that translate into a romantic relationship?
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These posts are long. I read ~50%. Watch me write one longer.

I've no experience with ENTJ-INTP romance so I'll just share some hypotheticals if that's cool.

I imagine the biggest pro would be mutual pragmatism since both are T doms. Less of a need for arbitrary fluff and emotional "mind-games", if that makes sense. Like some others have said, the INTP might be what the ENTJ needs to slow them down and teach them some finesse. The ENTJ might be one of the few types able to successfully energize and motivate an INTP to realize their pet ideas.

Both types seem relatively independent - another pro. I'm curious about examples of emotionally needy, smitten ENTJs/INTPs.

ENTJ would need to develop patience and the INTP clearer communication skills. Lovers' spats would be like an unstoppable force meeting an unmovable object. Angry make-up sex would probably be good though. (another pro...?)

The passive aggression comments are odd. Is this supposed to be common for INTPs?

Now speaking from personal experience:

Professionally, ENTJs are my covert faves. Teamwork is a less shitty (but still pretty shitty). I'm able to focus on my strengths (reworking and optimizing) and be reasonably confident that the final implementation will be satisfactory. Micro-managers/drill sergeants can go lock themselves in a mouldy, roach-infested broom closet though.

Friendship/acquaintance-wise, ENTJs are fun to banter with since they aren't as easily bent out of shape as other types. When not in "srs bidness" mode, they usually don't take themselves too seriously which is cool. Some of them have questionable ideologies but it makes for interesting discussions.

Final compatibility rating: A-/B+
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@ArBell Don't listen to the flattery of others, you will be taken advantage of as a leader if you let minions and yes men put down those who disagree with you. Criticism is always useful. And you yourself more or less said you expect INTPs to yield, that sounds like you see yourself as the natural leader of all INTPs, but I am telling you to get off your high horse. My point is that you CAN be a great leader, you yourself, but that it will come from you, not your type or anything else. Yes, your type might help, but I mean that some things come from the heart and we must never forget that, we must never forget human dreams and emotions and individuality or we will be left with a Nazi or Soviet type system. I am better at this in person I am too often misread through text, it lacks that which is important to me just as much as the mind: the heart. The symbolic heart we all listen to, no matter how we think.

My only goal in life is to save lives, and, honestly, after that I don't care about being the boss of anyone. I am too ambitious to not want to be my own boss, maybe you are too, but in that case you should understand that. Empathy????
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@cerenach Now you are accusing me of passive aggression? Look there is no passive aggression, it is a way to teach, a mirror mirror technique, by getting people to imagine themselves in a situation. I was also pointing out that yes, Introverts can be pushovers by pointing out that yes it is possible for Extroverts to bully and undermine them, this is a fact. What the hell is going on here? Am I really that bad at writing my point? Jesus!
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@cerenach Now you are accusing me of passive aggression? Look there is no passive aggression, it is a way to teach, a mirror mirror technique, by getting people to imagine themselves in a situation. I was also pointing out that yes, Introverts can be pushovers by pointing out that yes it is possible for Extroverts to bully and undermine them, this is a fact. What the hell is going on here? Am I really that bad at writing my point? Jesus!
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Actually, that sentence had nothing to do with you. In the first couple of posts there were comments about INTPs being passive aggressive. That struck me as odd since I think INTPs would be very clear about what they have a problem with and would only result in passive aggressive behaviors if they weren't being listened to.
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@ArBell Don't listen to the flattery of others, you will be taken advantage of as a leader if you let minions an yes men put down those who disagree with you. My point is that you CAN be a great leader, you yourself, but that it will come from you, not your type or anything else. Yes, your type might help, but I mean that some things come from the heart and we must never forget that, we must never forget human dreams and emotions and individuality or we will be left with a Nazi or Soviet type system. I am better at this in person I am too often misread through text, it lacks that which is important to me just as much as the mind: the heart. The symbolic heart we all listen to, no matter how we think.

My only goal in life is to save lives, and, honestly, after that I don't care about being the boss of anyone. I am too ambitious to not want to be my own boss, maybe you are too, but in that case you should understand that. Empathy????
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What do you mean the flattery of others? Nobody flatters ENTJs, if you didn't notice. Nobody would tell their ENTJ boss, "you're amazing, i love how ruthless you are". They don't need to anyway.
I achieve what I achieve because of my own doing, if I have to gain the respect of my team one by one, I will do so. I do not depend on minions to do the work for me. The result would just be sheeples. It is much more gratifying, specially in the long run when there is a 1-1 connection.


Yes of course, anybody can be what they want to be. The only difference is that some things come easier to some than others.
You are on perC, an essentially mbti typing forum, and your approach seems to be "i literally don't care about mbti typing because anybody can be whoever they want to be". My stance on that is undecided.

I don't care if i am the boss or not to be honest, as long as I can achieve justice. Now the definition of justice is another thing I don't feel like getting into right now. But if I can't achieve justice because my boss is preventing me from doing so, then I will overthrow the boss.
But in my career field, I will more likely be surrounded by like-minded people and so there will be no need to overthrow the boss. I will more likely have a lot of things to learn from the boss. ENTJs do not like leading/power for the sake of it. (maybe. ESTJs do?) They take the role because they believe they are the person more apt to do it. In a commercial firm for example, the ideal leader would be ENTJ (I don't know ENTP so I'm not commenting on that), because they are driven, confident and insightful. They will sack whoever needs to be sacked for the sake of efficiency.
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@cerenach I have had many debates and when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it, and things have gone fine. In this case, I disagree with someone and, let's face it, maybe some are white knighting for her. That is direct aggression. I told off a guy for a point I didn't agree with, no guys came to his aid. One girl gets disagreed with, and suddenly she has white knighters all over the place. If ArBell wants to be a leader, she should tell flatterers to mind their own business and look at all sides in an unbiased manner. Quoting to point out that she is in fact right, but that it is not always a good thing, is not passive aggression. Criticizing and comparing at all is not passive aggression. Putting down something as passive aggression without knowing it is agreement about how Extroverts can seize an opportunity is just troll logic and that seems to be all I am dealing with here on this. Just shoot me for real(jk don't). At least on other threads people have said things that fucking make sense. I am not in an office or class environment now so I'm going to be personal, this is fucking pathetic. I agreed with many points. I took exception to the suggestion that ENTJs being more common in leadership is an achievement in leadership. My question is: does more make someone better? Also, I respect Jung. I think typology is useful. I was saying to not define your life on such a thing though... Yes, she could become as great a leader as Angela Merkel, but, if she can't accept alternate opinions, she'll fail very soon.
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@ArBell Ouchies is white knighting because you're a girl e.e And you mean their boss, not ENTJ. Bosses don't put ENTJ on the wall... Nor any typology. Maybe in Psychiatry but...I don't know what you are rambling about. I don't think you would be a good boss in the long run. I am respected by people, and respect people, but you are just obsessed with your type. I am telling you that is not healthy. You seem obsessed. If you succeed it's all you. You are not your type.
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What's your point?
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Obligatoryusername91 said:
I am respected by people, and respect people, but you are just obsessed with your type.
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Okay, so you are saying that you should be the supreme leader, because in your opinion people do not respect me and I do not respect people and I am obsessed with my type?
Lol okay.

You are the obsessed one here.
When I said ENTJs are leaders, it was based on stats. I was not saying I am a leader.
My extroversion is very linear.
Now I am not saying I cannot be a leader.
But unlike you, I am not doing 1+1 = 1. I am doing 1+1 = 2.
Here's the difference: I talk about ENTJs in general (1) and I talk about myself (1). But you are just talking about yourself while disagreeing with everything I say. Do you have any facts? Besides your own opinion that is.
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@ArBell Again, you are still letting Ouchies white knight for you. That's just a bitch move. You got a link courtesy of him, and as I disagree with you on some points, he is saying I have NPD. Yeah, sure, as if this is justice here. Yet you would overthrow in the name of justice? Get real. I don't care about anything else you're saying. Understand? I am just saying that it would be best to write up a thesis on the most efficient type. I mean, I agree to an extent, like INTPs are apparently best in Silicon Valley type jobs. But, the question is, what type would be the best type for the position of CEO of any industry? ENTJ is most common, okay. But, can you say, without a doubt, that they are more efficient the majority of the time? And would you be insane enough to organize a society or business by types? Read Plato's Republic.
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You're making this discussion personal and I don't see the point in partaking in it anymore. You can go back to your own little DPRK. @ouchies came in, he said what he had to say. He told me to ignore you and I continued replying. Thus I ignored him.
The fact that you failed to realise that, and went on the defensive saying that i have white "knighters" is irrational.

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edit: Nopes whatever @ouchies said has nothing to do with what I said. Read my post #27, where I alluded to the fact that you seem to have superiority issues. Correct me if i'm wrong, but Ouchies' post was #38.
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@ArBell I am not saying you wouldn't be, I am saying you seem very closed minded and that would go against you as a leader, because it is best to be receptive to team input. Now, I am not saying I would be a great leader just because. I have flaws. I am saying that I want to control my own project. Or should I cut off my balls and let everyone do everything for me instead? Like, I start something important, I then passively let others control my vision for me, is that what you are suggesting? I am saying that I understand that more ENTJs are in leadership positions. I get your point. But I am saying that it does not mean efficiency. Nor would whatever type I may be, INTP or not, be better. It is the whole person that must be judged. And their performance. I am saying that I do not believe that more any type of person, means that type is better. That is ALL I am saying. Fuck.
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@ArBell What do you mean my own DPRK? e.e
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@ArBell I know you ignored him, but you took time replying before that so I thought you listened at first. Then I told you that he is still white knighting and any woman worth her salt would tell a guy trying to aid them like that to mind their own business. You are not a fucking damsel in distress and I hate guys who jump to defend women like they can't defend themselves. I am saying that he is undermining you by making you look like you can't handle me. You may have proved him wrong, but that is still an insult. This is between me and you, not him. That is what I mean. White knighting is annoying, I see it too much, it is not helpful.
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So mad bro. Go do something worthwhile with your life.

And also for the record, I'm not white knighting. I've been reading this guy's posts in the INTP forum and they scream NPD. Just pointing it out like I see it. But hey, maybe it's good practice for litigation.
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@cerenach I have had many debates and when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it, and things have gone fine. In this case, I disagree with someone and, let's face it, maybe some are white knighting for her. That is direct aggression. I told off a guy for a point I didn't agree with, no guys came to his aid. One girl gets disagreed with, and suddenly she has white knighters all over the place. If ArBell wants to be a leader, she should tell flatterers to mind their own business and look at all sides in an unbiased manner. Quoting to point out that she is in fact right, but that it is not always a good thing, is not passive aggression. Criticizing and comparing at all is not passive aggression. Putting down something as passive aggression without knowing it is agreement about how Extroverts can seize an opportunity is just troll logic and that seems to be all I am dealing with here on this. Just shoot me for real(jk don't). At least on other threads people have said things that fucking make sense. I am not in an office or class environment now so I'm going to be personal, this is fucking pathetic. I agreed with many points. I took exception to the suggestion that ENTJs being more common in leadership is an achievement in leadership. My question is: does more make someone better? Also, I respect Jung. I think typology is useful. I was saying to not define your life on such a thing though... Yes, she could become as great a leader as Angela Merkel, but, if she can't accept alternate opinions, she'll fail very soon.
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*sigh*

I never said you were passive aggressive.

I'll be explicit: On the first and second pages, @Jordan J and @ArBell made comments about passive aggressive INTP relatives/acquaintances. I found it odd and interesting since I've yet to that see that particular association. In my original post, I made the admittedly vague comment "The passive aggression comments are odd. Is this supposed to be common for INTPs?". That line was specifically in reference to Jordan J's and ArBell's personally known passive-aggressive INTPs. Not a single word of my post was directed toward or about you.

And lastly, I can say with absolute certainty that my concern about your personality, behavior, or concepts of leadership is null. Even if I disagreed with you or thought you were being passive aggressive (which I don't) I wouldn't have commented on it because it would've been (read: is) uninteresting and fruitless.
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After reading these posts, I had a discussion with 3 of my ENTJ friends.

We've decided to randomly find one or two INTPs every week and kick the shit out of them.

It will make the world a better place as they are an intemperate and traitorous type.

So I guess you could call us the MBTI Vigilantes. We'll do the ISTJs after that because they basically are the human equivalent of a wrench that fouls up a well-oiled machines.

But first - the INTPs.
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@yassdawg You don't look that tough. Good luck bro. You'll need friends(haha I know humour lol)
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@ouchies "Do something worthwhile with your life" I am. And I wasn't even mad. Just dumbfounded at the thinly veiled pissing contest. You have a problem with me, a personal one, so what? I've come back from so much crap in my life, and have talked to Psychiatrists. I had depression. I did not get a diagnosis of NPD. I did get a diagnosis of Dyspraxia which basically fucked with my handwriting and such when I was very young. I'm just used to being ganged up on by ignorant dipshits for being different so I had to learn to deal with things aggressively. I have struggled to get by in life, and yet I have still developed myself into a better person even after going off the rails, and have seen parts of the world. Litigation? So you're going into the legal field? You are bragging about that? Okay good for you, if you're just starting as a student keep in mind that the studies are hard, or so I've heard. Study more even when doing legal work, and armchair diagnose less. I've dealt with worse than you fuckers, so if you need to ramble on then do so, I'll calmly read, and reply with irritation only at extremely stupid bullshit circular logic in your reasoning.
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I want to state for everyone, that my only point was that neither INTP nor ENTJ can be deemed best suited in a position of leadership, until it is proven by experimentation. It turned into this. Yeah, I doubt most of you are anything like your types, too irrational. Most of you act like angry teenagers. So edgy. @ouchies Stalking my posts in INTP forum? You have a crush on me? And using troll slang like "so mad?" Wow. Goodnight everybody e.e *yawn*
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