INTP's and lying

I guess I also do it to pose counter arguements towards what the other person is saying. I don't believe these counter arguements but I pretend I do in order to see what the other person thinks.

Think it is more typical of an INTP to do that though.

Yeah I do that counter-argument thing just to gage someones values etc. I do both actually. Only the former I should stop trying because people can call you on it.

I can (and do) lie to get my point across. However, I am a terrible liar in a confrontation. (e.g., "Did you eat the last slice of cake?" I will deny it and look transparently guilty)

I'm very much into being as ethical and honest as one possibly can. I do tend to see both sides of an issue and play the devil's advocate sometimes with people. This may lead people to believe that I have a particular stance on an issue, when in fact I don't and am just posing the counter argument... I'm a fan of having some mystery and not revealing too much about myself to others.

I know an INFP who tries really hard to be an INTP, and he does this. He says that most of the time people will not tell the truth, so sometimes he needs to lie to see what is really going on in their head for the greater good of them.

I used to buy it, but now I think it can be kind of mean.

I usually just tell the truth, I share my ideas fully with people I already know well.
I did this in the past tho I lied a lot fuc&ed with people heads for stupid experimental theorys.
I could say i grow up I believe I just stopped because I wanted to give the respect of not lying to them getting the same in return maybe, inless I caught a lie from someone. I will tell the truth about something even if it's not pretty.

propensity said:

i can (and do) lie to get my point across. However, i am a terrible liar in a confrontation. (e.g., "did you eat the last slice of cake?" i will deny it and look transparently guilty)

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ThE CAKE IS A LIE.

AirMarionette said:

ThE CAKE IS A LIE.

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Is that because it looks good but in essence its actually full of garbage?

reminds me of most young people in my city.

The Phantom said:

Is that because it looks good but in essence its actually full of garbage?

reminds me of most young people in my city.

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for some reason I thought your quote was about Londoners

I have a couple INTP friends I notice that spontaneously a lot of the time, but are terrible at it. I can 'feel' them and their lies, I dunno why but there's something incongruent about them in their moment of fib, my intuition goes off the charts!

Why lie? I don't get it, what is the point? If you don't care about the argument you don't need to win it. But if you did care , lying to win it is an empty victory. No body wins an argument ever really.

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ThE CAKE IS A LIE.

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Pfffffff, nice catch! :crazy: It must've been subconscious.

I am a very skilled liar. I often pretend to be a bad liar on subjects of unimportant things so nobody will ever know how good a liar I really am. Did that make sense? It made sense in my head...:mellow:

My lying skill is dependent on the question. If it is a nonserious question, then I can do it as convincingly as the truth. If it's grim, then I can't do it wel.

If it's like playing the devil's advocate (saying things you don't really believe) I don't consider that malicious unethical lying. You can say "the cake is a lie" and somebody says "agree, cake is a lie" - end of the conversation. Now how boring is that? Or you can say "the cake is not a lie, the cake is holy" and then they say "no, you're wrong, how can cake be holy, clearly it is a lie" then you get to hear their theories and convictions about it. Sort of trying to convince yourself of your own beliefs through others.

I'm a big fat liar, and take pleasure in it.

I can lie as long as the person I'm lieing to isn't standing behind a desk.

I pride myself on honesty for the most part. I only lie when absolutely necessary and that rarely happens because I can get away with anything regardless. I'm a good liar, though, people can't tell. I've got a good poker face. :bored:

I do not consider devil's advocate to be lying. I don't know if anyone really does, but I do love playing devil's advocate. Take that how you wish.

I lie mostly when I don't feel like explaining something to someone. I'll probably tell them the truth later if I'm in the mood but more likely than not, I'll just forget it.

I lie because sometimes it's just so much easier than explaining things to people.

I don't see how anyone could perceive playing Devil's advocate as lying. To me, it's a method for strengthening an argument. How can your point be valid if it can't even stand up to the scrutiny of someone who doesn't even care about the point they're arguing? If I argue the other side, they have a chance to really explore the thought and give it some substance, or least prove that they've already done so.

I actually lie a lot. Normally in moments of panic when I am worried about the consequences of telling the truth. It's usually more hassle than it is worth, but when the moment comes I guess my brain just gets by passed and the lie comes out.

Also, how can the cake be a lie? It's so delicious and moist! I'm going to go enjoy it with my friend the companion cube!