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I had previously been posting calling my son an ISTJ. I now beleive I was wrong. They say it's a guess before age 12. Assuming he is an ISTP as I now beleive, I'd like to talk about his IQ results. Please talk about your own. I'm curious as to whether this is common for ISTX's
My son scored gifted only in regards to Spacial Reasoning. He scored too low on Verbal. So low they said the test was inconclusive. He figured out how to play simCity at 7 without help or the manual. That game is not an easy game designed for children. He loves to create worlds. As a child he stared at everything from every angle. He would twirl a bended straw for an hour. Then circle something larger many times, looking it up and down. Speech delay of course. They thought he might be Autistic. A specialists said it's anxiety. That's a whole different issue though.
So what do you have to say in regards to ISTP's and intelligence? Anything remotely on the topic is more than welcome. I'm just not satisfied with "inconclusive."
 

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When I was a kid, I can relate how I felt more hands on than book smart. School bored me. I'd rather go play video games or outside than learn everything. I remember how when I was in elementary school I would do a C average, mostly because I was not interested at all of doing homework or projects that require more than I wanted to put effort in. I was even in a special remedial class which I wasn't even aware of what it was. I just went because I got 3 cookies (1 which I stole without the teacher noticing). Then one day she said I didn't have to go, which confused me but then I forgot all about it. By the time I was middle school, my intelligence was developing pretty normally.

My mother even told me that the school wanted me on rids because me and my brothers were not paying attention in class or something. She told them to shove them up their ass. Which is a good thing since today i'm good as far as intelligence goes.

What i'm saying is sometimes kids are actually smarter than they look. Just because they don't fit in broken education system doesn't mean they are not capable of intelligence, which your son clearly is considering he's playing simcity in any capacity. I loved playing sim city 2000 as a kid, even figured out how to get millions of money to make cities as big as I want. Never got taxes though since I always made it 0 (shrug)

If your son does have trouble with speech and vocab, you can always hire a tutor. Myself, I loved reading close captioning on television because I had trouble keeping up with the conversation in the show.

Just please don't do anything like drugs at all. Unless he actually has a real mental condition, I wouldn't start anything beyond a good diet.
 

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I fell asleep in class a lot as a kid (still do now) so I was prescribed take pills to help focus and stay awake, which ironically made it way worse because it made me more sleepy then I already was and put me to sleep faster and deeper, so I got off it. I didn't talk much less back then so when I did you'd need to give me a lot of time to respond even to the simplest question. Also I was setting up the TV's and satellite in my house even though I had no idea as a kid, mom saw me do it as a kid cause it seemed like fun when she couldn't figure it and has me do all the set ups or repairs for everything ever since.
 

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Stay off meds. If you're thinking about it, stop thinking about it. Meds will most likely only fuck him up.

I potty trained myself at a pretty early age, way sooner than most. Learned to ride a bike at 4 or 5. I didn't talk at all though until 2nd grade. Mostly an anxiety problem. At some point, I simply decided to talk and that ended my non-talking ways. I still don't talk often but not as when I was younger.

I like building and fixing things, verbal communications for me is kind of down the drain unless I'm prepared for it. If I'm caught off-guard with some surprise conversation you'd think I have some kind of problem. Regardless, I have not studied for a single exam yet other than the 2 minutes overview before the exam, I am currently on the dean's list. High school was a whole different story. I couldn't sit still for 8 hours straight.

honestly, I believe the whole high school educational system is broken. have kids sit for hours at a time, cramming loads of information into their brains. ISTPs are mostly kinesthetic learners, meaning we have a lot of trouble sitting down for hours listening and listening and watching and listening. We need to do, or at the very least, take breaks. 10 minutes between classes is NOT enough. I spread my classes at my university so I have enough time to mess around before and after class. I don't believe I need to study other than do the homework (some times I don't if I know I understand it). Just pay attention in class. My classes are about 1.5 hours though, and i lose attention after half an hour. but in that half hour, I pay attention hard enough that I can think about what the rest of the lecture is going to be like. I zone out, and zone back in. In and out until class ends.
 

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I had previously been posting calling my son an ISTJ. I now beleive I was wrong. They say it's a guess before age 12. Assuming he is an ISTP as I now beleive, I'd like to talk about his IQ results. Please talk about your own. I'm curious as to whether this is common for ISTX's
My son scored gifted only in regards to Spacial Reasoning. He scored too low on Verbal. So low they said the test was inconclusive. He figured out how to play simCity at 7 without help or the manual. That game is not an easy game designed for children. He loves to create worlds. As a child he stared at everything from every angle. He would twirl a bended straw for an hour. Then circle something larger many times, looking it up and down. Speech delay of course. They thought he might be Autistic. A specialists said it's anxiety. That's a whole different issue though.
So what do you have to say in regards to ISTP's and intelligence? Anything remotely on the topic is more than welcome. I'm just not satisfied with "inconclusive."
How old is he and why have you tested him?

I think there's a wide span of intelligence in every type. IQ tests seems to be made more for NTs. I have done the mensa test and got high enough to be able to do the real test but why should I?

In my view the mensa club is made to make insecure NTs somewhat more secure and special (5w4?).

School was boring, but I managed to get good grades.

I learned to ride a bike entirely by myself. If I want to do something I'm pretty sure I can learn how to do it. That's good enough for me.

Not sure what the problem is, but maybe he just needs to be a kid?

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I liked to talk a lot as a child. Made up my own words and stuff and got angry if my parents didn't understand me.
 

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I liked to talk a lot as a child. Made up my own words and stuff and got angry if my parents didn't understand me.
I liked to talk a lot when I was a kid too. I made up words based on the sound they made. I used to call the gear shifter a "momp momp" XD

Agreed on the differing types of intelligence. It baffled me when I was banned from the library at school in sixth grade. My mom had a conference with my teachers and they decided I couldn't concentrate on my classes at school because I spent too much time in the library studying books about airplanes n shit.

Sure beat the hell outta diagramming sentences or boring ass math. Fuck a dangling participle and your dear Aunt Sally.
 

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How old is he and why have you tested him?

I think there's a wide span of intelligence in every type. IQ tests seems to be made more for NTs. I have done the mensa test and got high enough to be able to do the real test but why should I?

In my view the mensa club is made to make insecure NTs somewhat more secure and special (5w4?).

I liked to talk a lot as a child. Made up my own words and stuff and got angry if my parents didn't understand me.

Agreed.

Many NTs mistype themselves that way because they believe high IQ = NT. It's just a bias.
Truth be told, a high IQ Ni tert uses their Ni better than an average IQ Ni dom.

It's fun to bring this up in their IQ debates.

Also, i follow similar pattern as a child. I loved to make up my own words and create new lyrics to nursery rhymes. I found myself getting very irritated when i couldn't express my ideas.
 

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I had previously been posting calling my son an ISTJ. I now beleive I was wrong. They say it's a guess before age 12. Assuming he is an ISTP as I now beleive, I'd like to talk about his IQ results. Please talk about your own. I'm curious as to whether this is common for ISTX's
My son scored gifted only in regards to Spacial Reasoning. He scored too low on Verbal. So low they said the test was inconclusive. He figured out how to play simCity at 7 without help or the manual. That game is not an easy game designed for children. He loves to create worlds. As a child he stared at everything from every angle. He would twirl a bended straw for an hour. Then circle something larger many times, looking it up and down. Speech delay of course. They thought he might be Autistic. A specialists said it's anxiety. That's a whole different issue though.
So what do you have to say in regards to ISTP's and intelligence? Anything remotely on the topic is more than welcome. I'm just not satisfied with "inconclusive."

The best thing I can say about this is that IQ tests are horrible.

There simply isn't an IQ test that can genuinely meassure your "Intelligence," especially not one that can measure a kid's.

Even geniuses like Stephen Hawkings claim that people who boast about IQ results are pretty dumb...and I remember reading somewhere that a lot of geniuses have scored low.
I also refuse to believe that Marilyn Monroe was 20 points smarter than Einstein.

I remember I loved to build stuff when I was a kid, probably because my mom was an architect, guess she kind of implanted that on me.

Wether your kid is smart or not...hard to say, types don't really corelate to intelligence...plus tbh the MBTI is always a guess, not only when you're below 12.
Let's just hope for the best, maybe your kid can grow up to be a smart apple, a lot of kids are, but procrastination gets in the way.

As an advice I'll say: If you think your kid has some sort of attentional deficit dissorder, get him examined by a psychiatrist and follow his instructions, I have ADD and social phobia and I was not diagnosed with them till I was 17, needless to say, high school was really tough for me.
 

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Why have I had him tested? because the school pushed for it. They were so concerned because he kept pulling his hair out in class. He would melt down instead of trying. They thought maybe he needs to repeat a grade or worse. I know he doesn't belong in the sped classes. So I wanted to prove it wasn't his intelligence.
He's been to specialists. Diagnosed with four anxiety disorders. We finally agreed to allow him to take the smallest dose of Zoloft at his current age of ten. He is also in yoga and group therapy. And I will NOT allow them to hold him back a grade.
I totally agree the school system sucks. They actually take away a kids recess if they don't finish their classwork on time. I throw hissy fits when they pull that BS. I say more hands on learning, less testing. Let's not get started on No child left behind. Most of us know how very wrong that BS is.
I was just wondering if low verbal/high reasoning was a common issue among you IST's.
And getting in trouble for reading too much?. Yeah. Me too. They would repeat lessons over and over in school. Why not read if I already get what the teacher is lecturing about? Why not be productive? I'd home school if I didn't have to work 60 hrs/wk
 

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Why have I had him tested? because the school pushed for it. They were so concerned because he kept pulling his hair out in class. He would melt down instead of trying. They thought maybe he needs to repeat a grade or worse. I know he doesn't belong in the sped classes. So I wanted to prove it wasn't his intelligence.
He's been to specialists. Diagnosed with four anxiety disorders. We finally agreed to allow him to take the smallest dose of Zoloft at his current age of ten. He is also in yoga and group therapy. And I will NOT allow them to hold him back a grade.
I totally agree the school system sucks. They actually take away a kids recess if they don't finish their classwork on time. I throw hissy fits when they pull that BS. I say more hands on learning, less testing. Let's not get started on No child left behind. Most of us know how very wrong that BS is.
I was just wondering if low verbal/high reasoning was a common issue among you IST's.
And getting in trouble for reading too much?. Yeah. Me too. They would repeat lessons over and over in school. Why not read if I already get what the teacher is lecturing about? Why not be productive? I'd home school if I didn't have to work 60 hrs/wk
Hey there.

As a soon-to-be SPED teacher I have to say I find your statement rather...offensive :p but your concern is perfectly justified.

SPED doesn't mean "retarded", or "dumb", it's not a class for dumb kids, its for children who have special needs.
We won't put the brilliant but socially handicapped autist kid with the struggling dyslexic one.
There are multiple types of special education, each one accomodating to a wide arrange of needs. I have collegues who specialize on kids with mental retardation, these children usually have problems that go beyond learning ( for example many of them don't have proper control over bodily functions), so they require specialized staff to work with them.

I'm taking my specialization in the neurodevelopmental area, which means I'll get to work with kids (or teens) who have autism, asperger, or ADD, as well as some other, less known conditions.
Like I said: We wont treat your child like a dork, if what he has is an attention deficit disorder caused by anxiety, we'll treat him accordingly, we won't give him a test made for a child with down's because that wouldn't be good for him.

So I'll suggest: Go to your kid's school SPED department and talk to them about your kid, see what kind of treatment they want for him or in which are will he be assigned to, if you're not happy with the terms, then don't do it.

If your school doesn't have a very specialized SPED department, I'd recommend you to look for one that does.
Like I said, I went through school and high school with several disorders which were never diagnozed and it was pretty tough, its one of the main reasons why I decided to go for a special education degree, I don't want any kid going through that.

Good luck and feel free to ask any question!.
 

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I took an IQ test in school when I was 9 and qualified for a gifted program. The test included things like how quickly I could fit shapes into the right slot. We had a game almost like it at home, so maybe I had an advantage on that one! As I got older, I found that I only bothered to put effort into learning about things I liked. I thought homework was a waste of time. I didn't need to practice. Lecture style learning is not for me. My mind wanders. I like to read it and do it - preferably at my own pace.
My ISTP son is very similar to me. The difference between us is that he excels more with numbers and I like words.
Don't be afraid of the special education program. It is so much different today than it was when I was a kid. My INFP son struggles in the classroom environment. He's overly sensitive to all of the personalities in the room and he used to multi-task by stacking erasers and whatnot on his desk. He despised writing things by hand and would flat out refuse. Once we got him declared special needs, he was able to test verbally, type his writing assignments, go to the quiet room when he needed to decompress etc. He is now in 10th grade at a small, special needs high school and getting good enough grades to qualify for the college course program next year. He also has a great set of friends that are tolerant of each other's quirks. It's made an amazing difference in his confidence.
I get a little weepy thinking about it. So rare for me!! :crying:
 

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Hey there.

As a soon-to-be SPED teacher I have to say I find your statement rather...offensive :p but your concern is perfectly justified.

SPED doesn't mean "retarded", or "dumb", it's not a class for dumb kids, its for children who have special needs.
We won't put the brilliant but socially handicapped autist kid with the struggling dyslexic one.
There are multiple types of special education, each one accomodating to a wide arrange of needs. I have collegues who specialize on kids with mental retardation, these children usually have problems that go beyond learning ( for example many of them don't have proper control over bodily functions), so they require specialized staff to work with them.

I'm taking my specialization in the neurodevelopmental area, which means I'll get to work with kids (or teens) who have autism, asperger, or ADD, as well as some other, less known conditions.
Like I said: We wont treat your child like a dork, if what he has is an attention deficit disorder caused by anxiety, we'll treat him accordingly, we won't give him a test made for a child with down's because that wouldn't be good for him.

So I'll suggest: Go to your kid's school SPED department and talk to them about your kid, see what kind of treatment they want for him or in which are will he be assigned to, if you're not happy with the terms, then don't do it.

If your school doesn't have a very specialized SPED department, I'd recommend you to look for one that does.
Like I said, I went through school and high school with several disorders which were never diagnozed and it was pretty tough, its one of the main reasons why I decided to go for a special education degree, I don't want any kid going through that.

Good luck and feel free to ask any question!.
I love my sons SPED teacher Sheala. But that's more intermittent with other classes, right? He's been doing that for I don't know how long. How long is a couple stacks that take up a couple drawers. I am referring to IEP's and BIP's of course. What offense?? Poeple baffle me with those assumptions. It really does go way over my head.
 

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Hey there.

As a soon-to-be SPED teacher I have to say I find your statement rather...offensive :p but your concern is perfectly justified.

SPED doesn't mean "retarded", or "dumb", it's not a class for dumb kids, its for children who have special needs.
We won't put the brilliant but socially handicapped autist kid with the struggling dyslexic one.
There are multiple types of special education, each one accomodating to a wide arrange of needs. I have collegues who specialize on kids with mental retardation, these children usually have problems that go beyond learning ( for example many of them don't have proper control over bodily functions), so they require specialized staff to work with them.

I'm taking my specialization in the neurodevelopmental area, which means I'll get to work with kids (or teens) who have autism, asperger, or ADD, as well as some other, less known conditions.
Like I said: We wont treat your child like a dork, if what he has is an attention deficit disorder caused by anxiety, we'll treat him accordingly, we won't give him a test made for a child with down's because that wouldn't be good for him.

So I'll suggest: Go to your kid's school SPED department and talk to them about your kid, see what kind of treatment they want for him or in which are will he be assigned to, if you're not happy with the terms, then don't do it.

If your school doesn't have a very specialized SPED department, I'd recommend you to look for one that does.
Like I said, I went through school and high school with several disorders which were never diagnozed and it was pretty tough, its one of the main reasons why I decided to go for a special education degree, I don't want any kid going through that.

Good luck and feel free to ask any question!.
I love my sons SPED teacher Sheala. But that's more intermittent with other classes, right? He's been doing that for I don't know how long. How long is a couple stacks that take up a couple drawers. I am referring to IEP's and BIP's of course. What offense?? Poeple baffle me with those assumptions. It really does go way over my head.
I almost forgot about the social worker who comes on Monday as an employee with the school district. He does group therapy with my son and two others. I don't know who they are. I guess I shouldn't.
 

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He's too young to type. I wouldn't worry about IQ. Unless you were having him tested for developmental deficiencies? Either way, take care of those things. My IQ was 128 but it's probably less now. Lol.
In the real world that stuff doesn't matter unless you want him to go to Harvard. If he is introverted he will take a bit more time to find his place. I would nurture his strengths rather than worry about his weaknesses. I wish my mom would have let me develop what interested me rather than push what she deemed necessary. I ended up doing what I wanted anyway but lost a lot of time.
 

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Okay, a quick note on IQ. First of all, it is rather unlikely the school is running real IQ tests to begin with, and even less likely they're being administered by a professional.

That being said, IQ does not directly correlate with intellect as most people understand it. It's actually based on intuition cognitive functions. That is not to say that types using intuitive cognitive functions are necessarily more intelligent, but rather, that what "IQ" measures is less intelligence and more use of intuitive functions.

Each type actually averages different from others, which supports the idea that IQ is measures use of some functions rather than actual adaptability, quick thinking, logic, or reason.

Types with primary intuition functions who have average IQ are probably below average "actual intelligence."

Types which make very little use of intuitive functions with an average IQ are probably above average "actual intelligence."

We don't have an intuitive function until our third function.


Personally, my IQ test came back, "Inconclusive" with estimations of mid to high 130s.
 

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He's too young to type. I wouldn't worry about IQ. Unless you were having him tested for developmental deficiencies? Either way, take care of those things. My IQ was 128 but it's probably less now. Lol.
In the real world that stuff doesn't matter unless you want him to go to Harvard. If he is introverted he will take a bit more time to find his place. I would nurture his strengths rather than worry about his weaknesses. I wish my mom would have let me develop what interested me rather than push what she deemed necessary. I ended up doing what I wanted anyway but lost a lot of time.
That is so true with every ISTP I met, they all managed to do good for themselves in the real world, even if they couldn't handle school. Their (and my) path never seems to be a straight line from A to B.
 

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Let children be children /thread

IQ isn't of much value and even if one's IQ was high that wouldn't automatically open a path of glory, bliss and success. Quite the contrary, most high IQs are probably going to waste.

Don't give your kid meds. Then again, your decision.

Life is about living first and foremost and not about conforming or adhere to a rather useless school system or generally impaired societal system. My grades were never the worse and never the best. I did good in the subjects I naturally excelled in and bad in those I didn't care for. I always managed to get D's in the latter case, which was and still is perfectly fine with me today.

Play the game but only to its bare minimum. Life's too short for all else.

In all honesty though, how could a 10 year old kid possibly have 4 full blown psychological diagnoses? Do you think of your kid as a psychological broken gnome or a kid? Now, if it is the latter, what does that tell you about the doctors you've been consulting, or the system you live within?
 
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