Any other strange MBTI type 5's? I'm an ENFP so a lot of my personality attributes are contradictory to 5ness. This makes it difficult because I can't completely relate to people who are type 5 and then even less so to ENFP's. Anyone else like this?
I was going to ask the same thing. Can you tell us what parts you don't relate to or give you trouble? A lot of online descriptions describe a persona that I feel is a bit more on the 6 wing side, so sometimes I feel they get it wrong, but overall I relate to a lot of what the books say.I'm curious what made you decide you are ENFP 5 if you don't relate to those types?
Because type 5 is what matches me, I went through the same process you have. Took some tests, read up on it, etc.I'm curious what made you decide you are ENFP 5 if you don't relate to those types?
The main issues stems from me being a very laughy, goofy, extrovert. However 90% of people see the dark, brooding side of me, but at heart I'm a strange, silly man. I don't really have a fear of the word nor do I have any boundary issues, nor do I hoard time to myself. I just do not fit the conventional picture of a type 5 in any way. It sucks quite a bit because if I were to explain to someone my personality, I can't simply say I'm an "ENFP" or a "type 5," I have to say both otherwise neither accurately conveys my personality.I was going to ask the same thing. Can you tell us what parts you don't relate to or give you trouble? A lot of online descriptions describe a persona that I feel is a bit more on the 6 wing side, so sometimes I feel they get it wrong, but overall I relate to a lot of what the books say.
What do you fear then? Because the core of Type 5 is the Fear that they can't handle the outside world. If you don't relate to that fear, then you don't relate to the very heart of Type 5. The point of Enneagram is to find what the heart of your motivations are, not the surface level behaviors.Because type 5 is what matches me, I went through the same process you have. Took some tests, read up on it, etc.
The main issues stems from me being a very laughy, goofy, extrovert. However 90% of people see the dark, brooding side of me, but at heart I'm a strange, silly man. I don't really have a fear of the word nor do I have any boundary issues, nor do I hoard time to myself. I just do not fit the conventional picture of a type 5 in any way. It sucks quite a bit because if I were to explain to someone my personality, I can't simply say I'm an "ENFP" or a "type 5," I have to say both otherwise neither accurately conveys my personality.
I knowBased on what you've typed so far, I'm having difficulty seeing you as a 5.
My fear most closely matches type 5 and there are still manifestations of this fear, but I still don't completely relate. For example, for the past two years I've rarely left my apartment. I just stay inside and research various things, however it isn't out of fear of the world, it's out of curiosity, but it still goes along with the theme. I understand what the point of the enneagram is, the problem is that I do not entirely fit into it, so there's not much I can say or do about that. Like I said, "Type 5" alone doesn't reflect my personality, nor does "ENFP," I have to use both to describe myself.What do you fear then? Because the core of Type 5 is the Fear that they can't handle the outside world. If you don't relate to that fear, then you don't relate to the very heart of Type 5. The point of Enneagram is to find what the heart of your motivations are, not the surface level behaviors.
Actually I'm thinking the deduction is that you have an underlying condition that's effecting your natural self.I know
My fear most closely matches type 5 and there are still manifestations of this fear, but I still don't completely relate. For example, for the past two years I've rarely left my apartment. I just stay inside and research various things, however it isn't out of fear of the world, it's out of curiosity, but it still goes along with the theme. I understand what the point of the enneagram is, the problem is that I do not entirely fit into it, so there's not much I can say or do about that. Like I said, "Type 5" alone doesn't reflect my personality, nor does "ENFP," I have to use both to describe myself.
The deduction here is not that because I don't match Type 5's fear, I'm not a type 5, the deduction is that this personality system does not account for my combination of personality attributes.
Well in that case, referring back to your original post, I don't have anything to contribute. Type 5 and ISTP are so similar and I relate 100% to each of them. So i guess I'll leave your thread to perhaps another extroverted 5 who can identify.Of course, that would be unhealthyness, but I'm speaking within the context of the subject of hand.
This discussion is a bit difficult because you're being fairly vague here. I know you said the issue isn't that you've been mistyped but that you feel your type descriptions don't fit you. But you haven't really said how or why they don't fit.Because type 5 is what matches me, I went through the same process you have. Took some tests, read up on it, etc.
The main issues stems from me being a very laughy, goofy, extrovert. However 90% of people see the dark, brooding side of me, but at heart I'm a strange, silly man. I don't really have a fear of the word nor do I have any boundary issues, nor do I hoard time to myself. I just do not fit the conventional picture of a type 5 in any way. It sucks quite a bit because if I were to explain to someone my personality, I can't simply say I'm an "ENFP" or a "type 5," I have to say both otherwise neither accurately conveys my personality.
How does your fear manifest then? You say you relate somewhat, but I'm not clear on what it is you relate to about being a 5. I'm not saying you're mistyped, but I know a lot of 9's initially type as 5's. Also, do you know what your instinctual stacking is? An SX 5 can look very different from an SO 5. Check out these threads to look at how you relate to the stackings:My fear most closely matches type 5 and there are still manifestations of this fear, but I still don't completely relate. For example, for the past two years I've rarely left my apartment. I just stay inside and research various things, however it isn't out of fear of the world, it's out of curiosity, but it still goes along with the theme. I understand what the point of the enneagram is, the problem is that I do not entirely fit into it, so there's not much I can say or do about that. Like I said, "Type 5" alone doesn't reflect my personality, nor does "ENFP," I have to use both to describe myself.
The deduction here is not that because I don't match Type 5's fear, I'm not a type 5, the deduction is that this personality system does not account for my combination of personality attributes.
Where did you pull this from? I'd like to read the same summary for some of the other types.Passion:
Type 5 - Fives feel that they lack inner resources and that too much interaction with others will lead to catastrophic depletion. This Passion leads Fives to withhold themselves from contact with the world. Thus they hold on to their resources and minimize their needs.
Unconscious Childhood Message:
Type 5 - "It's not okay to be comfortable in the world."
Basic Fear:
Type 5 - Fear of being useless, incapable, or incompetent.
Basic Desire and its Distortion:
Type 5 - The desire to be competent (deteriorates into useless specialization).
Lost Childhood Message:
Type 5 - "Your needs are not a problem."
Pattern to be aware of:
Type 5 - Over interpreting your experience.
They're all from Riso and Hudson, specifically...Wisdom of the Enneagram, in the opening sections. I edited my previous post to add the other types on.Where did you pull this from? I'd like to read the same summary for some of the other types.
It's not that I'm skeptical, it's just that your answers haven't really told us what you don't relate to or really what you do relate to. I was hoping you could use the above to tell us if those are things that you relate to so I can understand which parts are more difficult for you. There are certainly things about the description that don't apply to me, but I've never felt like the description as a whole is insufficient. I don't think you really should be relating to every single thing in the descriptions. I see parts of the description as more typical of a 6 wing at times, and usually not having as much info about SX 5's - so in that way I see some gaps, but I still very much see myself in the whole description.I'm interested in discussing the subject the thread is about, not this. I understand your skepticism but I've already been through this process in two separate threads at the enneagram institute. I am an ENFP 5w4.
Clearly I don't understand what it is your asking then because I thought I answered a few different parts of your OP - even telling you what parts I haven't related to myself. I've seen your posts on the Enneagram Institute (I assume you're the same Kozy) and they don't really makes any of this any clearer for me. Sounds like it could have been an interesting discussion but I'll bow out.@ Sleepyhead, I already said I don't want to discuss this as it is draining for me. Please stop jacking off all over me and my thread.
"OP" means Original Poster, not Original PostI thought I answered a few different parts of your OP